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Postby Cordel One » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:32 am

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Cordel One wrote:I wonder if many rightists cosider criticism of Israel antisemitic because they personally can't attack a country without going after its dominant religion.

Damn Soviets and their... *checks notes* state-sponsored Orthodoxy!

While there really was a bit of that I was talking more about Middle Eastern states.

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"Youre all anti semites for calling out israels anti arabism."
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Postby Atheris » Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:37 am

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Atheris wrote:Damn Soviets and their... *checks notes* state-sponsored Orthodoxy!

While there really was a bit of that I was talking more about Middle Eastern states.

'Twas a joke.
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Cordel One wrote:While there really was a bit of that I was talking more about Middle Eastern states.

'Twas a joke.

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Christian Zionism strikes again, it would seem.
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Kiu Ghesik wrote:I said operating in the modern day. The group cited is from 1939. Try again.

I named three, so...

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Postby Norastan » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:07 am

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Albionist Great Britain wrote:Good. The sooner BDS and likewise [other] anti-Jewish organisations are gone, the better.



See people forget that Jewish terrorism exists but the reason most people don't know or care is because they did not hit us with a plane into the twin towers. But that does not mean we should not condemn Jewish terrorism. Jewish nationalism (nationalism generally is terrible) is a problem and must be fixed.


No one talks about Jewish terrorism because Islamic terrorism is way more widespread because Islam was created as a more violent religion.

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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:13 am

The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?
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Postby Odreria » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:15 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?

Wow, a group dedicated to criticizing Israel criticizes Israel a lot. Makes you think.
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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:16 am

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Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?

Wow, a group dedicated to criticizing Israel criticizes Israel a lot. Makes you think.

Missing the point. I'm not asking why the group is dedicated. I'm asking whether its supporters would agree with efforts to apply the very same standard to other countries.
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Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel?


...Yes? Shockingly, human rights campaigners care about human rights. Was this supposed to be some sort of masterful gotcha question?
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Postby Witiland » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:29 am

Norastan wrote:
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See people forget that Jewish terrorism exists but the reason most people don't know or care is because they did not hit us with a plane into the twin towers. But that does not mean we should not condemn Jewish terrorism. Jewish nationalism (nationalism generally is terrible) is a problem and must be fixed.


No one talks about Jewish terrorism because Islamic terrorism is way more widespread because Islam was created as a more violent religion.



wow, not like Chastains attacked jerselum to start hmm a crusade. Do some more research and you will find out how violent chirtsnaity or Judaism was as well.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:29 am

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Let me ask you this, who came in took their land that was palatine's for decades and laid claim to it? Israel! Now everybody is like "oh Christopher Columbus is bad because he claimed land that was not his and killed innocent people" yet these same people say "oh yeah Israel did nothing wrong and Jewish nationalism is ok". I hate Islamic nationalism as well all of it, but right now until Israel admits "hey maybe we did something wrong" I'm on Palestine's side...


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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:31 am

Nilokeras wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel?


...Yes? Shockingly, human rights campaigners care about human rights. Was this supposed to be some sort of masterful gotcha question?

That is interesting. Although it's understandable that individual movements have focusses on specific countries, it wouldn't explain the current behaviour of the international community as a whole.
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Postby Vassenor » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:32 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?


You mean like happened to South Africa?
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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:32 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?

By that logic, the Free Hong Kong movement should protest all countries stripping autonomous regions in their influence of rights as much as they are protesting the PRC. BDS is focusing on Israel because it is made up of Palestinians facing Israeli war crimes, just like how the Hong Kong protests are facing the CCP's authoritarianism. You can't focus on all human rights violations at once, especially if you are at the receiving end of one country's human rights abuses.
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Postby Nilokeras » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:33 am

Witiland wrote:wow, not like Chastains attacked jerselum to start hmm a crusade.


Wow, Jessica Chastain must have been really hard up for work once she finished Dark Phoenix. It was quite the stinker so I guess it's not that surprising but still.
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Postby Cordel One » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:34 am

I don't get how anyone could think it's antisemitic to say Israel is a horrible country. They're not the embodiment of Judaism, they're a murderous state.

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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:34 am

VlaRiSsiA wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?

By that logic, the Free Hong Kong movement should protest all countries stripping autonomous regions in their influence of rights as much as they are protesting the PRC. BDS is focusing on Israel because it is made up of Palestinians facing Israeli war crimes, just like how the Hong Kong protests are facing the CCP's authoritarianism. You can't focus on all human rights violations at once, especially if you are at the receiving end of one country's human rights abuses.

As I noted above, we need to differentiate here between the behaviour of individual movements, who can understandably focus on one issue, and the international community as a whole.
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Postby Nilokeras » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:34 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:
Nilokeras wrote:
...Yes? Shockingly, human rights campaigners care about human rights. Was this supposed to be some sort of masterful gotcha question?

That is interesting. Although it's understandable that individual movements have focusses on specific countries, it wouldn't explain the current behaviour of the international community as a whole.


You may want to sit down for this. Did you know that sometimes... countries look the other way and ignore human rights issues in favour of their own political or economic interests. I know, it's a lot. Take your time to process it.

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Postby Pope Saint Peter the Apostle » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:The BDS movement argues for "suspending Israel's membership in international forums such as UN bodies and FIFA". Do any of its supporters believes that countless countries actively violating international law should also be suspended from the FIFA and UN bodies? As well as boycotted? Should national teams refuse to sport against any athletes representing these countries, or only Israel? If these demands are solely made of the Jewish state, why?


You mean like happened to South Africa?

I was actually referencing countries like Turkmenistan, Libya, etc.
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Postby VlaRiSsiA » Fri Nov 20, 2020 11:37 am

Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:
VlaRiSsiA wrote:By that logic, the Free Hong Kong movement should protest all countries stripping autonomous regions in their influence of rights as much as they are protesting the PRC. BDS is focusing on Israel because it is made up of Palestinians facing Israeli war crimes, just like how the Hong Kong protests are facing the CCP's authoritarianism. You can't focus on all human rights violations at once, especially if you are at the receiving end of one country's human rights abuses.

As I noted above, we need to differentiate here between the behaviour of individual movements, who can understandably focus on one issue, and the international community as a whole.

Umm, you do realize the Free Hong Kong movement is trying to get international support as well. Many movements advocating freedom often have to resort to international help due to persecution by their home government. Apartheid was ended with the support of the international community ya know.
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Nilokeras wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:That is interesting. Although it's understandable that individual movements have focusses on specific countries, it wouldn't explain the current behaviour of the international community as a whole.


You may want to sit down for this. Did you know that sometimes... countries look the other way and ignore human rights issues in favour of their own political or economic interests. I know, it's a lot. Take your time to process it.

OK. Bad phrasing on my part ("int'l community"), I was not referencing other countries, but rather int'l activists.
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VlaRiSsiA wrote:
Pope Saint Peter the Apostle wrote:As I noted above, we need to differentiate here between the behaviour of individual movements, who can understandably focus on one issue, and the international community as a whole.

Umm, you do realize the Free Hong Kong movement is trying to get international support as well. Many movements advocating freedom often have to resort to international help due to persecution by their home government. Apartheid was ended with the support of the international community ya know.

I know that the Hong Kong protest movement is seeking international support, yes.
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