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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:01 pm

Parxland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:No it can't, not if what the OP wants to be the case is actually the case.


You really like brick walls, don't you?

Weird statement.

But anyway. Read what the OP has been saying thus far. It can't really favour one side as that'd be fundamentally antithetical to what the OP wants to do.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:09 pm

Parxland wrote:Are you a trump supporter? :lol:

Could you give it a rest with the out-of-place and totally unnecessary ad homs?
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:24 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but this is now really scraping the barrel of the nonsensical.


Then leave, or just sick back with some popcorn, this is free entertainment to your bored-ass self.


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Nazism is actually pretty centrist actually being on paper socialist, but leans right wing in some areas


Not really talking about that garbage. I'm asking you about your "Mutatio Constantism". Please don't bring up the nazi sh*t again, it peeves me.



Well sorry for late reply, I was doing something but to answer your question, Mutatio Constantism, only favors the one that is most useful/beneficial/works the best at the time.
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:37 pm

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Then leave, or just sick back with some popcorn, this is free entertainment to your bored-ass self.




Not really talking about that garbage. I'm asking you about your "Mutatio Constantism". Please don't bring up the nazi sh*t again, it peeves me.



Well sorry for late reply, I was doing something but to answer your question, Mutatio Constantism, only favors the one that is most useful/beneficial/works the best at the time.


So long as it avoids ideological warfare and politically-motivated violence? Right?
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:42 pm

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Well sorry for late reply, I was doing something but to answer your question, Mutatio Constantism, only favors the one that is most useful/beneficial/works the best at the time.


So long as it avoids ideological warfare and politically-motivated violence? Right?


Yes, we are not saying ideology is evil, but it has done bad things. Now we must not get rid of ideology but instead incorprate multiple ideas.
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:51 pm

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So long as it avoids ideological warfare and politically-motivated violence? Right?


Yes, we are not saying ideology is evil, but it has done bad things. Now we must not get rid of ideology but instead incorprate multiple ideas.


That doesn't require an ideology. What you desire is for people to reach compromises again. You don't want the violence and fighting you see overseas in other countries to reach your home. Don't bother fighting, it's inevitable.

You'll fatigue before you even get done with trying to convince your family. Best thing to do, is to actually do nothing. You're not an inspiring leader or hero. Nobody wants or expects you to do anything.

The people you want to help do not deserve your empathy or effort. They're digging their graves believing garbage nonsense, so let them lie in it. Convince who you can, but otherwise stay under the radar and out of trouble. Time's your best ally and resource. That and observing what's going on, and figuring out who the hell you have to stay away from in this life.

Other than that, have fun fucking with this universe, like poking the people throwing shit at you in this thread. It's infinitely amusing reading them gradually lose what little patience they have. :lol:
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 pm

Parxland wrote:
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Yes, we are not saying ideology is evil, but it has done bad things. Now we must not get rid of ideology but instead incorprate multiple ideas.


That doesn't require an ideology. What you desire is for people to reach compromises again. You don't want the violence and fighting you see overseas in other countries to reach your home. Don't bother fighting, it's inevitable.

You'll fatigue before you even get done with trying to convince your family. Best thing to do, is to actually do nothing. You're not an inspiring leader or hero. Nobody wants or expects you to do anything.

The people you want to help do not deserve your empathy or effort. They're digging their graves believing garbage nonsense, so let them lie in it. Convince who you can, but otherwise stay under the radar and out of trouble. Time's your best ally and resource. That and observing what's going on, and figuring out who the hell you have to stay away from in this life.

Other than that, have fun f*cking with this universe, like poking the people throwing sh*t at you in this thread. It's infinitely amusing reading them gradually lose what little patience they have. :lol:

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Seriously dude, bumping your thread after a whole seventeen minutes?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 23, 2020 4:25 am

Parxland wrote:Other than that, have fun fucking with this universe, like poking the people throwing shit at you in this thread. It's infinitely amusing reading them gradually lose what little patience they have. :lol:

To reiterate:

The New California Republic wrote:But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.

So acting like it's a strange or novel thing for folk here to be critical of an idea that is put in front of them is itself strange. Be aware of where you are.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Mon Nov 23, 2020 6:12 am

Witiland wrote:/bump


We don't bump here, it's technically not allowed (considered Spam). But if you really want to, find something in the thread to reply to, and don't bother unless your thread has actually fallen to Page 2.

It's probably not what you're looking for, but recently I've been thinking about Triumvirate government.

TWO elected bodies, but elected differently: perhaps terms staggered from each other, or perhaps one elected by men and the other by women. Each has a Prime Minister who is part of the Triumvirate. Each body can write legislation and submit it directly to the Triumvirate, but their chances of having it passed are better if they let the other body make amendments to it. Any two of the Triumvirate, suffice to pass the legislation into law.

As the tiebreaker between them: a de-throne-able Monarch. They're a regular Monarch, born into a line of secession, but the two Prime Ministers can pick another person from the line of secession (to some number of steps specified in the constitution) and call a referendum to replace the current Monarch with that other. Retired or replaced former Monarchs would also be eligible. A supermajority in the referendum would be required.

As to how we choose the first Monarch. I think a lottery of all citizens to form a short list (the first consenting 20 or so), and a popular election from among them, using preference voting. That does impose on their family a state of 'royalty' they may not want, but that's the least of the problems with my plan, wouldn't you say?
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"government not listening to the people" is a bit of an oversimplification. Revolutions happen because of class conflict.
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So this like basically pragmatism. Ok. What else is it?
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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:So this like basically pragmatism. Ok. What else is it?

We've asked. All we got in response was some vague half-baked allegory that did nothing to clarify what it is.
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The New California Republic wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:So this like basically pragmatism. Ok. What else is it?

We've asked. All we got in response was some vague half-baked allegory that did nothing to clarify what it is.


So this is basically vague, unsustainable centrist-y realpolitick claptrap?
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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:We've asked. All we got in response was some vague half-baked allegory that did nothing to clarify what it is.


So this is basically vague, unsustainable centrist-y realpolitick claptrap?

As I put it earlier: It's just an instruction for a government to commit suicide, it isn't an ideology.
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Postby Witiland » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:00 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
So this is basically vague, unsustainable centrist-y realpolitick claptrap?

As I put it earlier: It's just an instruction for a government to commit suicide, it isn't an ideology.


Pragmatist values are the foundation, but it’s the constant change. For example, if the government is struggling financially and needs a strong charismatic leader who can get things done fast with no opposition, then the government must change to a ideology that is a one party system. You can call it suicide all you want but democracy is in some aspects the same thing just much less extreme. Like one person put it, “ You're probably not just a pragmatist, because quite frankly it's not really even a political ideology. You're probably some sort of centre-left to maybe left-wing social democrat or demsoc, but with a belief that all ideologies have some sort of merit.”
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:07 am

Witiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:As I put it earlier: It's just an instruction for a government to commit suicide, it isn't an ideology.


Pragmatist values are the foundation, but it’s the constant change.

"It's x but it's x."

Witiland wrote:For example, if the government is struggling financially and needs a strong charismatic leader who can get things done fast with no opposition, then the government must change to a ideology that is a one party system.

S h i p o f T h e s e u s.

Witiland wrote:You can call it suicide all you want but democracy is in some aspects the same thing just much less extreme.

Nope, democracy doesn't have an instruction to destroy itself. This, however, is such an instruction.
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Postby Witiland » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:09 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Witiland wrote:

Pragmatist values are the foundation, but it’s the constant change.

"It's x but it's x."

Witiland wrote:For example, if the government is struggling financially and needs a strong charismatic leader who can get things done fast with no opposition, then the government must change to a ideology that is a one party system.

S h i p o f T h e s e u s.

Witiland wrote:You can call it suicide all you want but democracy is in some aspects the same thing just much less extreme.

Nope, democracy doesn't have an instruction to destroy itself. This, however, is such an instruction.



Ok then what’s your ideal form of government?
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The New California Republic wrote:"It's x but it's x."


S h i p o f T h e s e u s.


Nope, democracy doesn't have an instruction to destroy itself. This, however, is such an instruction.

Ok then what’s your ideal form of government?

Not really the subject here.
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Postby Witiland » Mon Nov 23, 2020 10:12 am

The New California Republic wrote:
Witiland wrote:Ok then what’s your ideal form of government?

Not really the subject here.



Ok so maybe iI give you this that I’ve have not really solidified this so ask as many questions as you want. The only way to get better at something is to have someone criticize it. Wait so let me get this straight Mutatio Constantism is not an ideology because it’s against ideology yet incorporates all ideology?
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Witiland wrote:For example, if the government is struggling financially and needs a strong charismatic leader who can get things done fast with no opposition, then the government must change to a ideology that is a one party system.


You're advocating for fascism. Fuck that shit.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 23, 2020 1:55 pm

Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:
Witiland wrote:For example, if the government is struggling financially and needs a strong charismatic leader who can get things done fast with no opposition, then the government must change to a ideology that is a one party system.


You're advocating for fascism. Fuck that shit.


There's been a lot of non-fascist one party states lol
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You're advocating for fascism. F*ck that sh*t.


There's been a lot of non-fascist one party states lol



Exactly, I don't support genocides of entire races or groups of people, only the switching from strict government to a lax one and switch from regulated economies to free market ones, I believe all ideologies have some sort of merit, although that does not mean I agree with everything an ideology says.
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