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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:31 pm

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They won't truly understand if you don't let them try. :lol:

But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:33 pm

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Parxland wrote:
They won't truly understand if you don't let them try. :lol:

But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.



Of course every Ideology has its flaws, and at the end of the day nothing is perfect. Maybe I'm wrong or maybe I'm right. Until we test this out and my idea's are spread to a larger platform it will only be some radical idea restricted to one crazy person some may say....
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:33 pm

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Stop.

No.

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Nitpicking.

How is it?

Parxland wrote:No shit. And how have people gone about doing their own thing on NS if their current region wouldn't let them do it? Do you need a picture to help you understand this?

Why are you even discussing regions lol, this is a discussion in NSGeneral.


Here everyone we have a forum-based example of the phrase "talking to a brick wall." Marvel at how every word bounces off the wall's sturdy construction.

The New California Republic wrote:But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.


No.
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:34 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Parxland wrote:
They won't truly understand if you don't let them try. :lol:

But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.



I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:How can "combining all ideologies" while "excluding some" be "implemented correctly"? You are trying to square a circle.

Lets picture this you have a salad right? It has lettuce, eggs, croutons, maybe all the food groups right? But are you going to put ghost peppers in the salad , so someone who hates ghost peppers to eat the salad? In the same way Mutatio Constantism (or as others put it Constantist Pragmatism) is a salad of ideologies and Nazism is the ghost pepper.

This isn't as cogent and relevant an example as you seem to think that it is.

Witiland wrote:Also Mutatio Constantism is based on changing from different sides of the political spectrum and Nazism isn't even the most extreme. In fact Fascism is and not all Fascists are racist.

...so now you want to include Nazism in this, or...?
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:How can "combining all ideologies" while "excluding some" be "implemented correctly"? You are trying to square a circle.



Lets picture this you have a salad right? It has lettuce, eggs, croutons, maybe all the food groups right? But are you going to put ghost peppers in the salad , so someone who hates ghost peppers to eat the salad? In the same way Mutatio Constantism (or as others put it Constantist Pragmatism) is a salad of ideologies and Nazism is the ghost pepper.

why would EVERY other ideology be totally fine but Nazism the one that can't be included lmao


Also Mutatio Constantism is based on changing from different sides of the political spectrum and Nazism isn't even the most extreme. In fact Fascism is and not all Fascists are racist.

I recommend you branch out from The Political Compass Dot Org for your theory
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:36 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.



I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....


Do like pretty much every new religion or ideology has done before; take inspiration from bits of other ones and build your own from there. I mean, that's the point of your whole idea, right?
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:37 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.



I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....

"It" isn't anything. There's nothing to improve. You have presented a non-idea. "uwu guys let's just do the good parts of everything and not the bad parts and change things that need to be changed and all get along :3" is not a new contribution to political thought lmfao
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:37 pm

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The New California Republic wrote:No.


How is it?


Why are you even discussing regions lol, this is a discussion in NSGeneral.


Here everyone we have a forum-based example of the phrase "talking to a brick wall." Marvel at how every word bounces off the wall's sturdy construction.

The New California Republic wrote:But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.


No.

Weird responses, but alright. :roll:
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:38 pm

Parxland wrote:
Witiland wrote:

I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....


Do like pretty much every new religion or ideology has done before; take inspiration from bits of other ones and build your own from there. I mean, that's the point of your whole idea, right?


Yes but on a more extreme level essentially. Now I'm not going to take the whole ideology and stuff it in there, instead i want the government to take aspects of each one. So if you were to take out racist aspects of Nazism, its still so radically different from Fascism and still would be Nazism.
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:41 pm

Senkaku wrote:
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I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....

"It" isn't anything. There's nothing to improve. You have presented a non-idea. "uwu guys let's just do the good parts of everything and not the bad parts and change things that need to be changed and all get along :3" is not a new contribution to political thought lmfao



But you have not answered the question and fail to give any advice other than, "This is not a good idea and makes no sense" rather than "I don't like this I would recommend this blah blah blah..."
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:41 pm

Witiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:But since they have brought this to NSGeneral they clearly want some discussion on it as well as criticism, hence why the rest of us are here.



I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....

There is actually nothing to improve upon, because there is not enough substance here to actually work with. Thus far there have just been some very vague notions that have been contradictory and opaque.
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:42 pm

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Do like pretty much every new religion or ideology has done before; take inspiration from bits of other ones and build your own from there. I mean, that's the point of your whole idea, right?


Yes but on a more extreme level essentially. Now I'm not going to take the whole ideology and stuff it in there, instead i want the government to take aspects of each one. So if you were to take out racist aspects of Nazism, its still so radically different from Fascism and still would be Nazism.


does it favor collectivism/authoritarianism or individualism/libertarianism?
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:43 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Witiland wrote:

I do appreciate your critiques, however I would do like to hear more constructive advice like how to improve it.....

There is actually nothing to improve upon, because there is not enough substance here to actually work with. Thus far there have just been some very vague notions that have been contradictory and opaque.



Mutatio Constantism is a paradox within itself! :rofl: I mean a ideology that hates ideology so much it takes from all ideology?!! That's the point, its the closest humanity can get to having a truly centrist non ideological government.
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Postby UniversalCommons » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:44 pm

There can be no ideal form of government because the humans who create government are not ideal. Often the best thing that can be done is synthesis for the best results. Look at the places with the highest standard of living, the greatest degree of freedom, the most crime free existence and synthesize and organize the different elements to get the best results.

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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:44 pm

Parxland wrote:
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Yes but on a more extreme level essentially. Now I'm not going to take the whole ideology and stuff it in there, instead i want the government to take aspects of each one. So if you were to take out racist aspects of Nazism, its still so radically different from Fascism and still would be Nazism.


does it favor collectivism/authoritarianism or individualism/libertarianism?


Nazism is actually pretty centrist actually being on paper socialist, but leans right wing in some areas
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:44 pm

Witiland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:There is actually nothing to improve upon, because there is not enough substance here to actually work with. Thus far there have just been some very vague notions that have been contradictory and opaque.



Mutatio Constantism is a paradox within itself! :rofl: I mean a ideology that hates ideology so much it takes from all ideology?!! That's the point, its the closest humanity can get to having a truly centrist non ideological government.

Sorry but this is now really scraping the barrel of the nonsensical.
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Postby Witiland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:45 pm

UniversalCommons wrote:There can be no ideal form of government because the humans who create government are not ideal. Often the best thing that can be done is synthesis for the best results. Look at the places with the highest standard of living, the greatest degree of freedom, the most crime free existence and synthesize and organize the different elements to get the best results.


What is your defintion of Ideal, perfect? Multiple successful countries are very different... and anyways what do you consider a succesful nation?
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:48 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Witiland wrote:

Mutatio Constantism is a paradox within itself! :rofl: I mean a ideology that hates ideology so much it takes from all ideology?!! That's the point, its the closest humanity can get to having a truly centrist non ideological government.

Sorry but this is now really scraping the barrel of the nonsensical.


Then leave, or just sick back with some popcorn, this is free entertainment to your bored-ass self.


Witiland wrote:
Parxland wrote:
does it favor collectivism/authoritarianism or individualism/libertarianism?


Nazism is actually pretty centrist actually being on paper socialist, but leans right wing in some areas


Not really talking about that garbage. I'm asking you about your "Mutatio Constantism". Please don't bring up the nazi shit again, it peeves me.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:49 pm

Parxland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:Sorry but this is now really scraping the barrel of the nonsensical.


Then leave, or just sick back with some popcorn, this is free entertainment to your bored-ass self.

No part of that statement says that I want to stop discussing it tho...
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Postby Senkaku » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:49 pm

Witiland wrote:
Senkaku wrote:"It" isn't anything. There's nothing to improve. You have presented a non-idea. "uwu guys let's just do the good parts of everything and not the bad parts and change things that need to be changed and all get along :3" is not a new contribution to political thought lmfao



But you have not answered the question and fail to give any advice other than, "This is not a good idea and makes no sense" rather than "I don't like this I would recommend this blah blah blah..."

I didn't say "this is not a good idea and makes no sense," I said it is a non-idea. There's nothing to work with. It's meaningless nonsense, the absence of a political philosophy rather than the presence of one. You just have a vague and inchoate desire for a "good" government. Go read for like five or ten years and come back when you have any opinion on what that actually means.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:52 pm

Parxland wrote:does it favor collectivism/authoritarianism or individualism/libertarianism?

If it's an amorphous contradictory morass of mayhem that just does whatever, as seems to be the case, then it doesn't favour any of them.
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Parxland wrote:does it favor collectivism/authoritarianism or individualism/libertarianism?

If it's an amorphous contradictory morass of mayhem that just does whatever, as seems to be the case, then it doesn't favour any of them.


It will favor one side.
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Postby The New California Republic » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:55 pm

Parxland wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:If it's an amorphous contradictory morass of mayhem that just does whatever, as seems to be the case, then it doesn't favour any of them.


It will favor one side.

No it can't, not if what the OP wants to be the case is actually the case.
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They're hoping soon, my kind will drop and die
But I'm going to wave my freak flag high
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Postby Parxland » Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:57 pm

The New California Republic wrote:
Parxland wrote:
It will favor one side.

No it can't, not if what the OP wants to be the case is actually the case.


You really like brick walls, don't you?

Are you a trump supporter? :lol:
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