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Hungary and Poland blocked EU recovery package (resolved)

Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:28 am

It's fair to say stuff got serious now:

Hungary and Poland blocked the EU's historic €1.82 trillion budget-and-recovery package on Monday, setting off what top officials and diplomats branded an institutional crisis with no evident path out of the stalemate.

Even for Brussels, which often sees itself as never better than when managing an emergency, the crisis over the carefully-negotiated response to the coronavirus crisis seemed to confront the bloc with one crisis too many.

The standoff will now be the top item on the agenda when EU heads of state and government meet via videoconference on Thursday, but senior officials warned that they did not expect any resolution by then. Officials were left contemplating an open-ended delay even as EU countries are being battered by a second wave of the pandemic, with many countries in various forms of lockdown, partially paralyzing their economies.

While both Budapest and Warsaw blocked progress, many diplomats and officials placed most of the blame on Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, who has often railed against the EU and its institutions.

"Everybody knows that this is a deadlock," a senior official said. "We are at a crossroads and nobody knows where this is leading. We only know that the whole package cannot be approved as long as we don't have the Hungarians on our side."

"We will continue with consultations, but at a certain point in time, the Hungarians will have to show their cards on the table," the official said. "Otherwise we are in deep shit."

Hungary and Poland blocked the package during a meeting of EU ambassadors on Monday, citing opposition to a new mechanism that would allow the EU to cut off funds to a country found to be violating the rule of law in certain circumstances tied to the budget. The ambassadors were able to approve the rule-of-law mechanism itself despite those objections because it required only a qualified majority. But Hungary and Poland then used their veto power to block a step toward finalizing the so-called Own Resources Decision, a prerequisite for the bloc to borrow money for its new €750 billion recovery fund.

The two countries also signaled that they are withholding political support for the bloc's €1.074 trillion seven-year budget, which is due to start on January 1. Officials were quick to point out that the budget-and-recovery package includes tens of billions for Hungary and Poland, essentially accusing Budapest and Warsaw of harming their own citizens.

Poland and Hungary are both major recipients of EU funds — and have been very heavily hit by the second wave of the coronavirus. Officials and diplomats said that Orbán had refused to budge even after a series of meetings and personal entreaties, including from German Chancellor Angela Merkel, Council President Charles Michel, and top officials from France, Italy, Spain and Portugal — some of the countries worst affected by the coronavirus.

"Even after having had discussions with the German chancellor and the pressure from the southern countries," the senior official said. "Even after all that, and even with all the money that is at stake ... there is no movement. They are just fully entrenched."

"Even in tête-à-têtes or very private conversations, nobody sees how this can be solved. If you are confronted with one partner who doesn't understand what's at stake, how urgently this is needed, there is no sense of logic," the official said.
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Some diplomats said the EU was paying the inevitable price for not fully resolving the rule-of-law dispute during the July summit when the budget-and-recovery package was approved. To clinch a deal after long negotiations, leaders agreed there would be a link in the budget to rule-of-law standards, but left the wording open to interpretation.

“It’s not the end of the story, we are now entering a political phase," one senior EU diplomat said. "But if the paralysis goes on, we risk finding ourselves with a very reduced budget and only mandatory spending, and no commitment on structural funds, foreign policy etc."

In fact, the options are quite limited.

Even if the 25 other heads of state and government on the European Council were willing to surrender, the seven-year budget requires agreement of the European Parliament, which fought hard in protracted negotiations to fashion the rule-of-law mechanism. Some MEPs had only reluctantly accepted the deal, saying the provision was not tough enough.

And while, theoretically, the recovery plan could be adopted outside the EU's budget — as an "intergovernmental agreement" between countries — European Commission officials had carefully considered that route last spring, and dismissed it as overly complicated and time-consuming, potentially causing a repeat of many difficulties faced in managing the eurozone debt crisis.

The EU institutions and many EU national governments have complained for years about what they view as backsliding by Warsaw and Budapest when it comes to rule of law and other fundamental principles of democracy. But Hungarian and Polish officials said they were being blackmailed by Brussels, and refusing to surrender after years of being held to unfair double standards.

"There is no clear objective criteria or clear definition of principles of rule of law, so you cannot use it as a tool for [a] concrete sanctioning mechanism," Hungarian Justice Minister Judit Varga told reporters.

"The political blackmailing is a very bad and irresponsible tactic from the European Parliament and some member states," the minister said. "It is not our task to find [a] solution to the problem."

Polish officials were equally defiant.

“This is an issue that will determine if Poland is a sovereign subject in the EU community, or it will be politically and institutionally enslaved," Poland's justice minister, Zbigniew Ziobro, told reporters. “It’s not about a rule of law … but about political and institutional slavery."
More obstacles ahead

There is still a long road ahead — and multiple potential hurdles — for the bloc's €1.8 trillion package to become a reality. The seven-year budget will need to win support in the European Parliament and garner unanimous support in the Council before it can come into effect. The Own Resources Decision also needs unanimous support in the Council, before being ratified by member states' national parliaments.

Even if a temporary political fudge could be found in the Council with Poland and Hungary, national parliaments in Budapest and Warsaw will have the opportunity to in effect veto the funding arrangements for the €750 billion recovery fund, if they so choose — adding extra pressure on negotiators. The national parliaments' ratification is, however, a double-edged sword. Some parliaments in countries such as Finland are unlikely to ratify the Own Resources Decision if legislators feel that Hungary and Poland were given too many concessions on the rule-of-law front.

While the decision to block progress did not come as a surprise, there was still an explosion of outrage at Hungary and Poland for standing in the way of what many view as a landmark funding plan.

Germany's Europe minister, Michael Roth, said no country had any reason to oppose the rule-of-law provision unless it intended to violate EU principles. "If you adhere to the principles of the rule of law, then you have nothing to fear," he said.

France's Europe minister, Clément Beaune, insisted a compromise would be found but said Paris was not backing down from its support for the rule-of-law mechanism. "The blocking by Hungary and Poland of the European budget does not call into question our determination on recovery and on the rule of law," Beaune tweeted.

Manfred Weber, the German leader of the center-right European People's Party (EPP) group in the European Parliament, insisted that the rule of law provision did not unfairly target Hungary, Poland or any country. "The peoples of Europe have one single enemy at the moment, and that is the coronavirus, and they expect us to deliver now," he said.

Iratxe García, the leader of the socialist group in the Parliament, said: "Blocking the EU budget is unfair to all Europeans and it only hurts citizens, also Polish and Hungarians."

Still, the senior EU official said it appeared that Orbán was enjoying his spot at the center of the storm.

"This drama is part of the negotiations and he knows that," the senior official said. "The more we talk about him the more he likes it."

Jacopo Barigazzi, Maia de La Baume, Hans von der Burchard and Zosia Wanat contributed reporting.


https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-in-c ... t-hold-up/

So Poland and Hungary (whom a lot of people either love or hate) have gone full serious and have decided to block the entire help package over their petty drama internally and with the EU and so on. Whatever happened before or was the issue before, now it will get very serious from now on, and more political drama and fallout are likely to follow as consequence. Everything might be on the table, and the final showdown may no longer be able to be delayed.

It's like two trains on the same track on collision course. The game is on. I believe this will end in a complete clusterfuck. Or maybe Hungary and Poland get slided out by a multilateral treaty outside of EU institutions. Which would leave them without cash and likely set a precendant for the further course of events.
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Postby Picairn » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:33 am

Sacrificing your own citizens to own the EU.

Nice work, Hungary and Poland. *slow claps*
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Postby Exxosia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 am

Good for them. They definitely made the right decision here as the EU is putting control ahead of people. I wish strength for the Polish and Hungarians.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:34 am

Just kick them out and accept America and Canada as member states when Biden gets inaugurated.

Problem solved.
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Postby Loben III » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:35 am

This is just comical.
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Postby New haven america » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:36 am

Exxosia wrote:Good for them. They definitely made the right decision here as the EU is putting control ahead of people. I wish strength for the Polish and Hungarians.

Poland and Hungary are run by socially conservative far right semi-dictatorships who want a return to good ol' Iron Curtain authoritarianism.

No, not good for Poland and Hungary.
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Postby Nakena » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:37 am

Picairn wrote:Sacrificing your own citizens to own the EU.

Nice work, Hungary and Poland. *slow claps*


Rather the economy but yes. What many people fail to realize is that the EU is really about transfering a lot of cash and subsides around. Basically Hungary and Poland blocked this entire process now. In the end it will come back to them and hit them really hard as the other states will find a way to cut them off from the cash cow.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:41 am

Nakena wrote:
Picairn wrote:Sacrificing your own citizens to own the EU.

Nice work, Hungary and Poland. *slow claps*


Rather the economy but yes. What many people fail to realize is that the EU is really about transfering a lot of cash and subsides around. Basically Hungary and Poland blocked this entire process now. In the end it will come back to them and hit them really hard as the other states will find a way to cut them of from the cash cow.


Ever since the Income Tax, the US has been about transferring cash around. It's an excellent strategy for uniform and overall maximized prosperity.

The EU did get a late start on it, and the East being significantly poorer than the West does present a challenge.

Hungary and Poland are just hurting themselves to make a point. Refusing a grant is just plain stupid.
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Postby Novo Portugal » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:47 am

This was bound to happen, EU will die from within like the decadent empire that it is, and these are all signals of what's to come. And let me just say that this money they'll be sending will only go for the pockets of a few where I'm from, like EU funds always do. Buildings that aren't needed, investments that are not usefull, all made in and by companies of people that are in the political parties and that once were part of the governments, etc. The EU loves these corrupt shitheads that rule us, I hope de EU dies quickly honestly.

Also I've been to Hungary, lived for some months in Poland, the image people have of these countries is very biased, they're not the devils the mainstream media paint them out to be. EU is increasingly becoming a one ideology kind of organization, you can't be against it, the brexit was a clear example of that, all over Europe people were against it, but why? Why shouldn't countries be allowed to leave the EU? Mine joined without asking its own people, but I guess that when it's in favor of the EU it's always good.
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Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Rather the economy but yes. What many people fail to realize is that the EU is really about transfering a lot of cash and subsides around. Basically Hungary and Poland blocked this entire process now. In the end it will come back to them and hit them really hard as the other states will find a way to cut them of from the cash cow.


Ever since the Income Tax, the US has been about transferring cash around. It's an excellent strategy for uniform and overall maximized prosperity.

The EU did get a late start on it, and the East being significantly poorer than the West does present a challenge.

Hungary and Poland are just hurting themselves to make a point. Refusing a grant is just plain stupid.



There's so much more than money at stake.
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Postby Esalia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:49 am

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Novo Portugal wrote:This was bound to happen, EU will die from within like the decadent empire that it is, and these are all signals of what's to come. And let me just say that this money they'll be sending will only go for the pockets of a few where I'm from, like EU funds always do. Buildings that aren't needed, investments that are not usefull, all made in and by companies of people that are in the political parties and that once were part of the governments, etc. The EU loves these corrupt shitheads that rule us, I hope de EU dies quickly honestly.

> EU is a decadent empire

Okay... next you're telling me how the EU is secretly controlled by the Illuminati. No thanks. Also I must ask for your evidence on how the EU stimulus only goes to "pockets of the few" and useless projects please. Because all of this sounds like libertarian soundbites.

Also I've been to Hungary, lived for some months in Poland, the image people have of these countries is very biased, they're not the devils the mainstream media paint them out to be. EU is increasingly becoming a one ideology kind of organization, you can't be against it, the brexit was a clear example of that, all over Europe people were against it, but why? Why shouldn't countries be allowed to leave the EU? Mine joined without asking its own people, but I guess that when it's in favor of the EU it's always good.

Cool anecdote. Meanwhile, those countries are withholding aid for the whole EU and sliding further down the path to dictatorship.

Regarding Brexit, uhhhh what? Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union (TEU) states that "Any Member State may decide to withdraw from the Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements". It is fully legal to exit the EU, just don't expect people not to criticize your stupid idea of leaving it and losing all of the benefits in the process.

Your country joined the EU without asking its own people? Do you know nations ratify treaties and join economic pacts on a daily basis without asking their people since... ever? That's Representative Democracy for you, you vote those politicians in and expect them to deal with stuff you don't possess enough knowledge to act on.
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Rather the economy but yes. What many people fail to realize is that the EU is really about transfering a lot of cash and subsides around. Basically Hungary and Poland blocked this entire process now. In the end it will come back to them and hit them really hard as the other states will find a way to cut them of from the cash cow.


Ever since the Income Tax, the US has been about transferring cash around. It's an excellent strategy for uniform and overall maximized prosperity.

The EU did get a late start on it, and the East being significantly poorer than the West does present a challenge.

Hungary and Poland are just hurting themselves to make a point. Refusing a grant is just plain stupid.


Yeah its kinda stupid, however Brussels politics are also responsible for some of the mess. Its just the media doesnt reports in detail about their BS as it does about the one of Fidesz or PiS.

But for example they treated Greece and Varoufakis like total trash during the late greek crisis and forced extreme terms on them. They demanded nothing less than a surrender from Greece.

I am not jumping on the EU hate train because its cheap and lazy to do so, but grieveances and issues are real and often not the ones MSM makes the big stories about it.

Whether or not this applies in this situation is another story.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:03 am

Oh those two can just fuck off.

This is ridiculous seriously.
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Picairn wrote:Also I must ask for your evidence on how the EU stimulus only goes to "pockets of the few" and useless projects please. Because all of this sounds like libertarian soundbites.


No that is widely known for any who wants to know that a lot (read: not all nor necessarily the most) of EU funds are going to end up into rather questionable pet projects, bridges into nowhere and quite often enough dark channels or swiss bankaccounts of corrupt party cadres. Thats why Romania got quite often funding denied because their rampant corruption and other horrible shit nobody in MSM cares about but is argueably worse than what Hungary and Poland combined do in regard to rule of law.

That doesnt means that all their projects are bad but its also to no little part political subsidies to keep crownies at good mood and loyal and as well financially dependent. This may not what is officially intended but it certainly is the net result.
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So wait. Does this decision block the recovery package for all EU states?
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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:So wait. Does this decision block the recovery package for all EU states?


Yes.
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Esheaun Stroakuss wrote:So wait. Does this decision block the recovery package for all EU states?


Yes.


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Loben III wrote:Brilliant system they came up with over there.

Whoever came up with the current EU model of unanimous agreement was fucking brilliant. /s
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Picairn wrote:
Loben III wrote:Brilliant system they came up with over there.

Whoever came up with the current EU model of unanimous agreement was fucking brilliant. /s


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Loben III wrote:Brilliant system they came up with over there.

Whoever came up with the current EU model of unanimous agreement was fucking brilliant. /s

It should be a god damn majority agreement, this current system allows one dickhead government to throw its toys out of the pram and screw everyone else.
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Loben III wrote:Brilliant system they came up with over there.

Whoever came up with the current EU model of unanimous agreement was fucking brilliant. /s


It’s actually hilarious to watch from over here if I’m being honest. My distaste for the EU aside......
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No wonder Poland got partitioned thrice. Unanimous voting will only cause paralysis if one bad actor decides to just fuck things up.
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Not surprising at the slightest, to be honest. Like there was ever a question that Poland and Hungary would sacrifice not just their own citizens but also that of the rest of Europe so they could continue being corrupt shitholes with no respect to rule of law, international agreements or human rights.
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