Should billionaires exist? 「Yes or No」

[Fahran]

Socialism: you work for the good of your country and the benefit of your countrymen. Capitalism: you work for the profit of a capitalist.

Depends on the brand of socialism. One of my critiques of modern socialism is that it does nothing to address the economic man that liberalism gave us - a veritable husk that cannot, in truth, exist.

They need to add some Arendt to their Marx and stop reading Proudhon and Kropotkin altogether.

[Odreria]

I don't think the elderly couple who own the cafe I work at are parasites and I feel like this is a very anti-social attitude to adopt in general.

Most people don't have the privilege of working for good people.

This misses the point entirely.

[Kowani]

Fuck no.
If we can prevent world hunger and manage to prevent destroying what's left of the environment, MAYBE I'll cede on millionaires.
MAYBE

we can, in fact, prevent world hunger.
there are many reasons why we do not, and the existence of the profit motive in food production is only one of them

[New haven america]

Socialism: you work for the good of your country and the benefit of your countrymen. Capitalism: you work for the profit of a capitalist.

Correction.

1. Socialism: You work for the good of the party and whoever runs the show. 2. Capitalism: You work for the profit of yourself.

1. No, that's capitalism.
2. No, that's objectivism.

[Sanghyeok]

Socialism: you work for the good of your country and the benefit of your countrymen. Capitalism: you work for the profit of a capitalist.

Correction.

Socialism: You work for the good of the party and whoever runs the show. Capitalism: You work for the profit of yourself.

Socialism is when you wave a red flag, and if you put a hammer and sickle on the flag that's communism.

[Fahran]

Most people don't have the privilege of working for good people.

I'd need a source on that.

[New haven america]

Most people don't have the privilege of working for good people.

I'd need a source on that.

Well, you could ask an Amazon warehouse employee.

[Fahran]

we can, in fact, prevent world hunger.
there are many reasons why we do not, and the existence of the profit motive in food production is only one of them

^ This as well. Food supply and food infrastructure are pretty complex issues.

[The Emerald Legion]

Correction.

1. Socialism: You work for the good of the party and whoever runs the show. 2. Capitalism: You work for the profit of yourself.

1. No, that's capitalism.
2. No, that's objectivism.

1.) You could only believe that if you've literally only ever worked minimum wage.
2.) Nope, that's Capitalism. I'm not doing my job because it makes my boss rich. I'm doing my job because it makes me money.

[Fahran]

I'd need a source on that.

Well, you could ask an Amazon warehouse employee.

That doesn't give me a lot of info on "most people."

I know Amazon treats its employees badly. It's why I mentioned disliking Bezos as a manager multiple times.

[Odreria]

Socialism: you work for the good of your country and the benefit of your countrymen. Capitalism: you work for the profit of a capitalist.

Depends on the brand of socialism. One of my critiques of modern socialism is that it does nothing to address the economic man that liberalism gave us - a veritable husk that cannot, in truth, exist.

They need to add some Arendt to their Marx and stop reading Proudhon and Kropotkin altogether.

If it doesn't do what I say it's not socialism. Simple facts.
Also, want to expand about how none of us exist?

Most people don't have the privilege of working for good people.

I'd need a source on that.

Someone's personal qualities and the role they play in the capitalist system are not the same thing.

[Sanghyeok]

Most people don't have the privilege of working for good people.

I'd need a source on that.

According to this source, over 50% of people in the US worked for a very large corporation.

[Kowani]

Socialism: you work for the good of your country and the benefit of your countrymen. Capitalism: you work for the profit of a capitalist.

Depends on the brand of socialism. One of my critiques of modern socialism is that it does nothing to address the economic man that liberalism gave us - a veritable husk that cannot, in truth, exist.

They need to add some Arendt to their Marx and stop reading Proudhon and Kropotkin altogether.

well.
most socialists do, in fact, critique the overall destruction of communities and individual cultures that exist under globalized capitalism.
these critiques are less prevalent, because most people do not see that as a bad thing (or those that do tend to be right wing nationalists complaining about americanization)
it is easier to convince people that the factory closures and stagnating wages are bad than most other critiques would be

[New haven america]

1. No, that's capitalism.
2. No, that's objectivism.

1.) You could only believe that if you've literally only ever worked minimum wage.
2.) Nope, that's Capitalism. I'm not doing my job because it makes my boss rich. I'm doing my job because it makes me money.

1. Do you not know how Congress works?
2. You're doing your job because your boss is abusing the system to raise his profit margins while allowing you to have the scraps. Pretty much everyone who's not on the top of a capitalist system is an abuse victim.

Again, there's no need to feel persecuted, we're trying to help you.

[Fahran]

If it doesn't do what I say it's not socialism. Simple facts.
Also, want to expand about how none of us exist?

We have concerns, interests, and value beyond the labor and work we do.

[Sanghyeok]

Depends on the brand of socialism. One of my critiques of modern socialism is that it does nothing to address the economic man that liberalism gave us - a veritable husk that cannot, in truth, exist.

They need to add some Arendt to their Marx and stop reading Proudhon and Kropotkin altogether.

well.
most socialists do, in fact, critique the overall destruction of communities and individual cultures that exist under globalized capitalism.
these critiques are less prevalent, because most people do not see that as a bad thing (or those that do tend to be right wing nationalists complaining about americanization)
it is easier to convince people that the factory closures and stagnating wages are bad than most other critiques would be

I would hesitate to blame 'liberalism' for all the problems society is facing, when we see a far more obvious culprit named modern capitalism.

[Odreria]

If it doesn't do what I say it's not socialism. Simple facts.
Also, want to expand about how none of us exist?

We have concerns, interests, and value beyond the labor and work we do.

wow today I learned

[Fahran]

According to this source, over 50% of people in the US worked for a very large corporation.

A large corporation doesn't imply bad management. A lot of petroleum companies, for instance, treat employees pretty well, including blue-collar menial laborers. It's dangerous work, but you get excellent compensation and are treated with a great deal of respect by management. Which is a sharp contrast with companies like Amazon.

[Kowani]

well.
most socialists do, in fact, critique the overall destruction of communities and individual cultures that exist under globalized capitalism.
these critiques are less prevalent, because most people do not see that as a bad thing (or those that do tend to be right wing nationalists complaining about americanization)
it is easier to convince people that the factory closures and stagnating wages are bad than most other critiques would be

I would hesitate to blame 'liberalism' for all the problems society is facing, when we see a far more obvious culprit named modern capitalism.

liberalism, is, in fact, fundamentally intertwined with modern capitalism

while I do not agree with all of Fahran's point, (and definitely not with her solution), there is a point to be made about atomization promoted by modernity

[Alcala-Cordel]

Fuck no.
If we can prevent world hunger and manage to prevent destroying what's left of the environment, MAYBE I'll cede on millionaires.
MAYBE

we can, in fact, prevent world hunger.
there are many reasons why we do not, and the existence of the profit motive in food production is only one of them

I don't get how people can see that food scarcity is no longer an issue and must be artificially maintained and that only those with money are being fed and see nothing wrong with the status quo.

[The Emerald Legion]

1.) You could only believe that if you've literally only ever worked minimum wage.
2.) Nope, that's Capitalism. I'm not doing my job because it makes my boss rich. I'm doing my job because it makes me money.

1. Do you not know how Congress works?
2. You're doing your job because your boss is abusing the system to raise his profit margins while allowing you to have the scraps. Pretty much everyone who's not on the top of a capitalist system is an abuse victim.

Again, there's no need to feel persecuted, we're trying to help you.

1.) Yes, because Congress is directly oppressing all those poor people.
2.) Not really, no.

[Fahran]

wow today I learned

Spiritual concerns, concerns of meaning, concerns of community, concerns of family, and concerns of identity often get lost in talk of economic revolution or reorganization, with the assumption, that these will fix themselves post-socialism. And, as Arendt pointed out, there's often a failure to differentiate between work and labor - or to include action at all.

[Odreria]

According to this source, over 50% of people in the US worked for a very large corporation.

A large corporation doesn't imply bad management.

The people that think otherwise have generally not worked in either a big or small business.

[New haven america]

1. Do you not know how Congress works?
2. You're doing your job because your boss is abusing the system to raise his profit margins while allowing you to have the scraps. Pretty much everyone who's not on the top of a capitalist system is an abuse victim.

Again, there's no need to feel persecuted, we're trying to help you.

1.) Yes, because Congress is directly oppressing all those poor people.
2.) Not really, no.

1. Most of the GOP does, yeah.
2. Denial is the first stage of grief.

[Fahran]

while I do not agree with all of Fahran's point, (and definitely not with her solution), there is a point to be made about atomization promoted by modernity

C'mon, Ko. Let me revive responsibility and wholesomeness. I just want to bake my neighbors a lovely key lime pie and feed people who think "age is just a number" to bears. :^)