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by New haven america » Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:20 pm

by Freiheit Reich » Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:55 am

by Page » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:28 am
Freiheit Reich wrote:Billionaires should have the right to exist. Many people are billionaires because they created products that society deems as important (even if sometimes they are actually harmful such as cigarettes and hard liquor). Many people on this website should read 'Atlas Shrugged' and prepare to have their mind blown. The plot of Atlas Shrugged is unfolding right now and this hatred of billionaires is just one example.
7 REASONS ATLAS SHRUGGED BY AYN RAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER
http://www.randyelrod.com/7-reasons-atl ... than-ever/Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand stands as one of the two most influential books of my life.
The novel was first published a year before I was born in 1957, Rand considered Atlas Shrugged her magnum opus.
The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by government and politically correct society.
The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry, while the world’s most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear.
Galt describes the strike as “stopping the motor of the world” by withdrawing the “minds” that drive society’s growth and productivity. In their efforts, these “men of the mind” hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where men are slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.
I saw the new movie yesterday, and my daughter Lauren and I were VERY disappointed. It does not deserve an association with the book. So many nuances were not portrayed and so many characters were undeveloped or misrepresented.
However, that does not discount the importance of the book for today. It is a powerful and more important read than ever for anyone who believes in capitalism, innovation, and free enterprise.
As a seventeen year old I discovered Atlas Shrugged on a library shelf, promptly took it home and devoured it. The minute I finished it, I turned to page one and re-read it. I was spellbound both times. The concepts gripped me as a young boy, and have continued to be a compass point for my life as an entrepreneur.
Fast forward twenty-six years and my seventeen year old daughter Lauren comes into the house and says, “Dad, I have to tell you about a book you will love! It is called Atlas Shrugged, I found it at the school library and could not put it down. As soon as I finished, I turned back to page one and re-read it in its entirety.”
Weird, huh? But true. Some things are far more than pure coincidence.
So, here are seven reasons I believe Atlas Shrugged is more important than ever:
1.) Cultural creatives are fleeing America and disappearing to more favorable environments. New Zealand, Canada and London, England are only a few of the places that are welcoming American creatives who cannot find a home in their own country.
2.) The American government continues to penalize successful businesses. Many businesses are now labeled monopolies that are simply the best at what they do.
3.) The American government continues to legislate free enterprise through socialistic mandates such as affirmative action. In the words of Michael Jackson, “It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white”—in Rand’s words, it only matters if you work hard and earn your wage.
4.) Mediocrity continues to be celebrated and rewarded. When certain American minorities are led to believe that “beating the system” is more important than hard work, we have a major problem.
5.) Social equality is considered more important than free enterprise. Hard work is rewarding. It’s just the way we are made. If everyone would work hard, social equality would take care of itself for the most part.
6.) Innovation is repressed not rewarded. When farmers are paid to burn their crops, we have a big problem. When gas-saving car innovations are squelched because of big oil lobbyists, we have a big problem.
7.) Individuality is discouraged and conformity encouraged. When our own government renders us to a number, not our name, we have a big problem.

by Kubra » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:30 am
buddy if chocolate bars are supposed to be 20 times cheaper well uh I guess this fella just solved world hunger.Exxosia wrote:Kubra wrote: I dunno billionaires currently exist and I can still buy candy bars with loose change
current inflation don't seem to but dunnit
Considering that that candy bar likely costs 20 to 50 times more than it should, just because you have enough loose change does not mean the economy is not completely distorted.
Bezos has 181.4 billion USD. The last "billionaire" to gain "billions" in wealth through horrendous — but technically legitimate — means would likely be W.H.Vanderbilt who would have about 2.6 billion USD in 2020 adjusted for inflation. The trend otherwise appears to be that the richest people in an undistorted economy throughout history, often even with a some measure of malfeasance, negligence, corruption, and systematic problems in an economy, and not including raiding kings and whatnot, rarely get past the 900 million mark in 2020 currency.
The only way someone today should have more than a billion dollars is that they are the sole beneficiary of generations of people accruing wealth hand over fist. And even then, in any sort of functional economy, it would be effectively impossible for them to exceed around 2 billion if the economy is not being mishandled.

by Page » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:32 am
Kubra wrote:buddy if chocolate bars are supposed to be 20 times cheaper well uh I guess this fella just solved world hunger.Exxosia wrote:Considering that that candy bar likely costs 20 to 50 times more than it should, just because you have enough loose change does not mean the economy is not completely distorted.
Bezos has 181.4 billion USD. The last "billionaire" to gain "billions" in wealth through horrendous — but technically legitimate — means would likely be W.H.Vanderbilt who would have about 2.6 billion USD in 2020 adjusted for inflation. The trend otherwise appears to be that the richest people in an undistorted economy throughout history, often even with a some measure of malfeasance, negligence, corruption, and systematic problems in an economy, and not including raiding kings and whatnot, rarely get past the 900 million mark in 2020 currency.
The only way someone today should have more than a billion dollars is that they are the sole beneficiary of generations of people accruing wealth hand over fist. And even then, in any sort of functional economy, it would be effectively impossible for them to exceed around 2 billion if the economy is not being mishandled.

by Kubra » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:34 am
probably, but I'd wager the matter of hunger has to do with goods and their distribution, rather, than why I've got a wallet with 100 bucks in it instead of a small sack of half-pennies.Page wrote:Kubra wrote: buddy if chocolate bars are supposed to be 20 times cheaper well uh I guess this fella just solved world hunger.
We solved world hunger decades ago insofar as we have much more than enough food for every person and the infrastructure to distribute it. There is nothing holding us back except greed.

by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 1:48 am
Freiheit Reich wrote:Billionaires should have the right to exist.
Many people are billionaires because they created products that society deems as important (even if sometimes they are actually harmful such as cigarettes and hard liquor). Many people on this website should read 'Atlas Shrugged' and prepare to have their mind blown. The plot of Atlas Shrugged is unfolding right now and this hatred of billionaires is just one example.
7 REASONS ATLAS SHRUGGED BY AYN RAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER
http://www.randyelrod.com/7-reasons-atl ... than-ever/Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand stands as one of the two most influential books of my life.
The novel was first published a year before I was born in 1957, Rand considered Atlas Shrugged her magnum opus.
The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by government and politically correct society.
The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry, while the world’s most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear.
Galt describes the strike as “stopping the motor of the world” by withdrawing the “minds” that drive society’s growth and productivity. In their efforts, these “men of the mind” hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where men are slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.
I saw the new movie yesterday, and my daughter Lauren and I were VERY disappointed. It does not deserve an association with the book. So many nuances were not portrayed and so many characters were undeveloped or misrepresented.
However, that does not discount the importance of the book for today. It is a powerful and more important read than ever for anyone who believes in capitalism, innovation, and free enterprise.
As a seventeen year old I discovered Atlas Shrugged on a library shelf, promptly took it home and devoured it. The minute I finished it, I turned to page one and re-read it. I was spellbound both times. The concepts gripped me as a young boy, and have continued to be a compass point for my life as an entrepreneur.
Fast forward twenty-six years and my seventeen year old daughter Lauren comes into the house and says, “Dad, I have to tell you about a book you will love! It is called Atlas Shrugged, I found it at the school library and could not put it down. As soon as I finished, I turned back to page one and re-read it in its entirety.”
Weird, huh? But true. Some things are far more than pure coincidence.
So, here are seven reasons I believe Atlas Shrugged is more important than ever:
1.) Cultural creatives are fleeing America and disappearing to more favorable environments. New Zealand, Canada and London, England are only a few of the places that are welcoming American creatives who cannot find a home in their own country.
2.) The American government continues to penalize successful businesses. Many businesses are now labeled monopolies that are simply the best at what they do.
3.) The American government continues to legislate free enterprise through socialistic mandates such as affirmative action. In the words of Michael Jackson, “It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white”—in Rand’s words, it only matters if you work hard and earn your wage.
4.) Mediocrity continues to be celebrated and rewarded. When certain American minorities are led to believe that “beating the system” is more important than hard work, we have a major problem.
5.) Social equality is considered more important than free enterprise. Hard work is rewarding. It’s just the way we are made. If everyone would work hard, social equality would take care of itself for the most part.
6.) Innovation is repressed not rewarded. When farmers are paid to burn their crops, we have a big problem. When gas-saving car innovations are squelched because of big oil lobbyists, we have a big problem.
7.) Individuality is discouraged and conformity encouraged. When our own government renders us to a number, not our name, we have a big problem.

by Freiheit Reich » Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:40 am
Page wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:Billionaires should have the right to exist. Many people are billionaires because they created products that society deems as important (even if sometimes they are actually harmful such as cigarettes and hard liquor). Many people on this website should read 'Atlas Shrugged' and prepare to have their mind blown. The plot of Atlas Shrugged is unfolding right now and this hatred of billionaires is just one example.
7 REASONS ATLAS SHRUGGED BY AYN RAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER
http://www.randyelrod.com/7-reasons-atl ... than-ever/Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand stands as one of the two most influential books of my life.
The novel was first published a year before I was born in 1957, Rand considered Atlas Shrugged her magnum opus.
The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by government and politically correct society.
The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry, while the world’s most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear.
Galt describes the strike as “stopping the motor of the world” by withdrawing the “minds” that drive society’s growth and productivity. In their efforts, these “men of the mind” hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where men are slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.
I saw the new movie yesterday, and my daughter Lauren and I were VERY disappointed. It does not deserve an association with the book. So many nuances were not portrayed and so many characters were undeveloped or misrepresented.
However, that does not discount the importance of the book for today. It is a powerful and more important read than ever for anyone who believes in capitalism, innovation, and free enterprise.
As a seventeen year old I discovered Atlas Shrugged on a library shelf, promptly took it home and devoured it. The minute I finished it, I turned to page one and re-read it. I was spellbound both times. The concepts gripped me as a young boy, and have continued to be a compass point for my life as an entrepreneur.
Fast forward twenty-six years and my seventeen year old daughter Lauren comes into the house and says, “Dad, I have to tell you about a book you will love! It is called Atlas Shrugged, I found it at the school library and could not put it down. As soon as I finished, I turned back to page one and re-read it in its entirety.”
Weird, huh? But true. Some things are far more than pure coincidence.
So, here are seven reasons I believe Atlas Shrugged is more important than ever:
1.) Cultural creatives are fleeing America and disappearing to more favorable environments. New Zealand, Canada and London, England are only a few of the places that are welcoming American creatives who cannot find a home in their own country.
2.) The American government continues to penalize successful businesses. Many businesses are now labeled monopolies that are simply the best at what they do.
3.) The American government continues to legislate free enterprise through socialistic mandates such as affirmative action. In the words of Michael Jackson, “It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white”—in Rand’s words, it only matters if you work hard and earn your wage.
4.) Mediocrity continues to be celebrated and rewarded. When certain American minorities are led to believe that “beating the system” is more important than hard work, we have a major problem.
5.) Social equality is considered more important than free enterprise. Hard work is rewarding. It’s just the way we are made. If everyone would work hard, social equality would take care of itself for the most part.
6.) Innovation is repressed not rewarded. When farmers are paid to burn their crops, we have a big problem. When gas-saving car innovations are squelched because of big oil lobbyists, we have a big problem.
7.) Individuality is discouraged and conformity encouraged. When our own government renders us to a number, not our name, we have a big problem.
This is the right-wing version of when a high schooler reads 1984 and talks all day long about school about 1984 is totally happening right now.

by Nobel Hobos 2 » Wed Nov 25, 2020 5:57 am
Page wrote:Freiheit Reich wrote:Billionaires should have the right to exist. Many people are billionaires because they created products that society deems as important (even if sometimes they are actually harmful such as cigarettes and hard liquor). Many people on this website should read 'Atlas Shrugged' and prepare to have their mind blown. The plot of Atlas Shrugged is unfolding right now and this hatred of billionaires is just one example.
7 REASONS ATLAS SHRUGGED BY AYN RAND IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER
http://www.randyelrod.com/7-reasons-atl ... than-ever/Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand stands as one of the two most influential books of my life.
The novel was first published a year before I was born in 1957, Rand considered Atlas Shrugged her magnum opus.
The book explores a dystopian United States where leading innovators, ranging from industrialists to artists, refuse to be exploited by government and politically correct society.
The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry, while the world’s most productive citizens, led by the mysterious John Galt, progressively disappear.
Galt describes the strike as “stopping the motor of the world” by withdrawing the “minds” that drive society’s growth and productivity. In their efforts, these “men of the mind” hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where men are slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society.
I saw the new movie yesterday, and my daughter Lauren and I were VERY disappointed. It does not deserve an association with the book. So many nuances were not portrayed and so many characters were undeveloped or misrepresented.
However, that does not discount the importance of the book for today. It is a powerful and more important read than ever for anyone who believes in capitalism, innovation, and free enterprise.
As a seventeen year old I discovered Atlas Shrugged on a library shelf, promptly took it home and devoured it. The minute I finished it, I turned to page one and re-read it. I was spellbound both times. The concepts gripped me as a young boy, and have continued to be a compass point for my life as an entrepreneur.
Fast forward twenty-six years and my seventeen year old daughter Lauren comes into the house and says, “Dad, I have to tell you about a book you will love! It is called Atlas Shrugged, I found it at the school library and could not put it down. As soon as I finished, I turned back to page one and re-read it in its entirety.”
Weird, huh? But true. Some things are far more than pure coincidence.
So, here are seven reasons I believe Atlas Shrugged is more important than ever:
1.) Cultural creatives are fleeing America and disappearing to more favorable environments. New Zealand, Canada and London, England are only a few of the places that are welcoming American creatives who cannot find a home in their own country.
2.) The American government continues to penalize successful businesses. Many businesses are now labeled monopolies that are simply the best at what they do.
3.) The American government continues to legislate free enterprise through socialistic mandates such as affirmative action. In the words of Michael Jackson, “It doesn’t matter if you’re black or white”—in Rand’s words, it only matters if you work hard and earn your wage.
4.) Mediocrity continues to be celebrated and rewarded. When certain American minorities are led to believe that “beating the system” is more important than hard work, we have a major problem.
5.) Social equality is considered more important than free enterprise. Hard work is rewarding. It’s just the way we are made. If everyone would work hard, social equality would take care of itself for the most part.
6.) Innovation is repressed not rewarded. When farmers are paid to burn their crops, we have a big problem. When gas-saving car innovations are squelched because of big oil lobbyists, we have a big problem.
7.) Individuality is discouraged and conformity encouraged. When our own government renders us to a number, not our name, we have a big problem.
This is the right-wing version of when a high schooler reads 1984 and talks all day long about school about 1984 is totally happening right now.

by Ifreann » Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:40 am
Kowani wrote:Fahran wrote:An average plumber could expect to earn around $60,000 a year. They would earn $3,000,000 over the course of their life time. That's a respectable income and would make them the better part of average by American standards. A decent portion of the people who obtain an education, do not have children out of wedlock, and who do not stumble into drug addiction or criminality will be millionaires by the time they hit sixty. About 6.71% of the population held millionaire status as of last year.
Billionaires are a bit trickier. A slight majority, about 55.8%, of billionaires are self-made, amassing their income through a combination of sound investments, entrepreneuership, and winning in the market. Another 30.9% of billionaires began as millionaires and then generated the wealth that got them to billionaire status. 13.3% purely inherited their wealth. The increasing trend in the billionaire club at present seems to be towards being self-made.
With that being said, America has 800 billionaires and 330 million people. So you have a 0.0002% chance of becoming a billionaire in the United States. A lot of it is down to getting "lucky" with market forces, and being in the multi-millionaires club provides a big boost in that respect.
>Jeff Bezos
>Self-made
What, did that 250K loan from his parents to bail out his business not make it into the author’s worldview?
Heloin wrote:The Emerald Legion wrote:
No. It makes perfect sense if you actually know something about History, rather than getting your history from the sort of nutjobs who think the 1619 project is a good idea.
That had nothing to do with what I said. But hey, you're the one calling the German Empire collectivist so how can that break from reality really every be countered.
Freiheit Reich wrote:Billionaires should have the right to exist. Many people are billionaires because they created products that society deems as important (even if sometimes they are actually harmful such as cigarettes and hard liquor). Many people on this website should read 'Atlas Shrugged' and prepare to have their mind blown. The plot of Atlas Shrugged is unfolding right now and this hatred of billionaires is just one example.

by Sanghyeok » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:48 am
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister

by Ifreann » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:53 am
Sanghyeok wrote:Musk just became the 2nd richest person, and on the same day his partner received grants for the arts from Canada. I can't even believe this.

by Sanghyeok » Wed Nov 25, 2020 9:56 am
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister

by Sanghyeok » Wed Nov 25, 2020 10:05 am
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Alcala-Cordel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:43 am
Crontiana wrote:They take from the government and keep it I find that ok cuz I’m communist

by North American Imperial State » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:35 pm
by Alcala-Cordel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:39 pm
North American Imperial State wrote:Well yes they should
Why punish someone for having money

by North American Imperial State » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:47 pm
by Alcala-Cordel » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:49 pm

by Fahran » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:50 pm
Alcala-Cordel wrote:It's not their money
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."
- Song of the Fallen Star

by Fahran » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:52 pm
Ifreann wrote:Jeff Bezos personally invented the internet, and the concept of book shops, and trucks, and factories, and roads. He's a self-made billionaire.
"Then it was as if all the beauty of Ardha, devastating in its color and form and movement, recalled to him, more and more, the First Music, though reflected dimly. Thus Alnair wept bitterly, lamenting the notes which had begun to fade from his memory. He, who had composed the world's first poem upon spying a gazelle and who had played the world's first song upon encountering a dove perched upon a moringa, in beauty, now found only suffering and longing. Such it must be for all among the djinn, souls of flame and ash slowly dwindling to cinders in the elder days of the world."
- Song of the Fallen Star

by North American Imperial State » Wed Nov 25, 2020 4:53 pm
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