What if America joined the EU?

[Claorica]

While it would be based to adopt the stricter abortion guidelines that many European Countries (and I do mean based - if the US could become one big Malta when it comes to Abortion), that would be great).

I don't see the EU and US meshing well. Even the socially conservative parties in the EU (Which are ACTUAL CONSERVATIVES unlike the idiots we're saddled with), which are much more socially conservative than our mammon-worshipping conservatives in America, have an economic policy that, while I certainly agree with them (especially Poland's generous paid family leave program and the "Family 500+" program for child allowances,) the corporation-worshipping mainstream of both American Parties absolutely positively would DESPISE.

[Senkaku]

What a nightmarishly bad idea. Close ties with Europe don't mean we're European. Would we adopt the euro, then? This is fucking crazy. The EU is dysfunctional enough, it doesn't need another unstable nuclear power on the brink of a permanent slide into antidemocratic reaction.

[Yasluila]

I get the idea but on the other hand I think that Americans would not want another government outside of Washington and not to mention it worrisome that a lot of the financials of this new EU would fall onto the US because of its size.
(but that's just my opinion)

[Greater Miami Shores]

It would make the USA more leftist, more socialist. Like Canada joining or been taken over by the USA in a war. The 50 US states and the District of Columbia - Washington DC, would declare Independence from the USA and join the EU, Union of European nations as independent nations. GMS.

The District of Columbia - Washington DC, would become a majority black nation.

DC is part of the United States, not an independent country.

To the OP Sundiata: I said, the 50 US states and the District of Columbia - Washington DC, would declare Independence from the USA and join the EU, Union of European nations as independent nations. GMS.

The District of Columbia - Washington DC, would become a majority black nation.

I have sent a Friendly TG as I call all my TGs, to the OP Sundiata. with a link to my post quote. GMS.

PS: I think after world war 2 The USA should have taken over all of Europe, except for the Soviet Union's Eastern European allied nations. Made them US States and govern them with Euro American descendants and Europeans. Back in those days the USA was of greater European ancestry than today. Also, if they had gone to war with Russia The Soviet Union and won the war, they could have made all European nations US States. Perhaps including the Soviet Union or at least Parts of European Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Moscow and so on. GMS.

I know my English not very good. lol. GMS.

[Albionist Great Britain]

DC is part of the United States, not an independent country.

PS: I think after world war 2 The USA should have taken over all of Europe, except for the Soviet Union's Eastern European allied nations. Made them US States and govern them with Euro American descendants and Europeans. Back in those days the USA was of greater European ancestry than today. Also, if they had gone to war with Russia The Soviet Union and won the war, they could have made all European nations US States. Perhaps including the Soviet Union or at least Parts of European Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Moscow and so on. GMS.

I know my English not very good. lol. GMS.

That’s frankly a despicable idea and I’m beyond insulted by you suggesting it.

[Greater Miami Shores]

PS: I think after world war 2 The USA should have taken over all of Europe, except for the Soviet Union's Eastern European allied nations. Made them US States and govern them with Euro American descendants and Europeans. Back in those days the USA was of greater European ancestry than today. Also, if they had gone to war with Russia The Soviet Union and won the war, they could have made all European nations US States. Perhaps including the Soviet Union or at least Parts of European Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Moscow and so on. GMS.

I know my English not very good. lol. GMS.

That’s frankly a despicable idea and I’m beyond insulted by you suggesting it.

I understand your feelings. I mean no offense. The point is the Euro Americans are family related to the Europeans. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

Like I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I have distant cousins in España La Madre Patria - The Mother nation of Spain. I have posted about on NS a few times. Family members of mine emigrated legally to the USA from Cuba through España La Madre Patria, the right way, they looked up the family name and found Spaniard Family. Then a cousin of mine in Miami got interested in ancestry research and traced a branch of our family from España La Madre Patria to Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay and Puerto Rico. Families in those days were larger than today. The Point is we are related to those European nations peoples. Cuba should have remained the ever faithful loyal island Province of España La Madre Patria. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

[The New California Republic]

PS: I think after world war 2 The USA should have taken over all of Europe, except for the Soviet Union's Eastern European allied nations. Made them US States and govern them with Euro American descendants and Europeans. Back in those days the USA was of greater European ancestry than today. Also, if they had gone to war with Russia The Soviet Union and won the war, they could have made all European nations US States. Perhaps including the Soviet Union or at least Parts of European Russia, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ukraine, Moscow and so on. GMS.

Ugh. No. Disgusting.

[Atheara]

No. The US is already powerful in it's own right. The US joining the EU would make a high imbalance in World Power.

[Albionist Great Britain]

That’s frankly a despicable idea and I’m beyond insulted by you suggesting it.

I understand your feelings. I mean no offense. The point is the Euro Americans are family related to the Europeans. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

Like I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I have distant cousins in España La Madre Patria - The Mother nation of Spain. I have posted about on NS a few times. Family members of mine emigrated legally to the USA from Cuba through España La Madre Patria, the right way, they looked up the family name and found Spaniard Family. Then a cousin of mine in Miami got interested in ancestry research and traced a branch of our family from España La Madre Patria to Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay and Puerto Rico. Families in those days were larger than today. The Point is we are related to those European nations peoples. Cuba should have remained the ever faithful loyal island Province of España La Madre Patria. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

The only similarity is ethnic descent, the USA is incompatible with Europe, especially its culture. America is Anglocentric and incompatible even with its mother country, so why would it even be a smidgen compatible with the rest of Europe? I’m part German but I have absolutely no relationship with Germany or German culture, and Germans would have no responsibility to conform to American culture, but rather the opposite.

[The New California Republic]

I understand your feelings. I mean no offense. The point is the Euro Americans are family related to the Europeans. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

Like I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I have distant cousins in España La Madre Patria - The Mother nation of Spain. I have posted about on NS a few times. Family members of mine emigrated legally to the USA from Cuba through España La Madre Patria, the right way, they looked up the family name and found Spaniard Family. Then a cousin of mine in Miami got interested in ancestry research and traced a branch of our family from España La Madre Patria to Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay and Puerto Rico. Families in those days were larger than today. The Point is we are related to those European nations peoples. Cuba should have remained the ever faithful loyal island Province of España La Madre Patria. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

The only similarity is ethnic descent, the USA is incompatible with Europe, especially its culture. America is Anglocentric and incompatible even with its mother country, so why would it even be a smidgen compatible with the rest of Europe?

Indeed, I sometimes look over at our American cousins and reminded again of how totally alien their society and culture are to our own.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I understand your feelings. I mean no offense. The point is the Euro Americans are family related to the Europeans. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

Like I am a native Cuban and American citizen. I have distant cousins in España La Madre Patria - The Mother nation of Spain. I have posted about on NS a few times. Family members of mine emigrated legally to the USA from Cuba through España La Madre Patria, the right way, they looked up the family name and found Spaniard Family. Then a cousin of mine in Miami got interested in ancestry research and traced a branch of our family from España La Madre Patria to Cuba, Argentina, Uruguay and Puerto Rico. Families in those days were larger than today. The Point is we are related to those European nations peoples. Cuba should have remained the ever faithful loyal island Province of España La Madre Patria. The USA should have remained colonies of Great Britain. GMS.

The only similarity is ethnic descent, the USA is incompatible with Europe, especially its culture. America is Anglocentric and incompatible even with its mother country, so why would it even be a smidgen compatible with the rest of Europe? I’m part German but I have absolutely no relationship with Germany or German culture, and Germans would have no responsibility to conform to American culture, but rather the opposite.

You seem to be missing my point. The USA is still of majority Euro European descent. Euro Americans are ethnically and family related to Euro Europeans, which form the majority of the Euro ethnic populations of the USA.

I would support my native Cuba returning to España La Madre Patria as the ever faithful island Province of España La Madre Patria. In Cuba's case, the history would have been no Fidel, No Raúl Castro, and western style multi political party democracy with all its faults and merits today. GMS.

[The New California Republic]

The only similarity is ethnic descent, the USA is incompatible with Europe, especially its culture. America is Anglocentric and incompatible even with its mother country, so why would it even be a smidgen compatible with the rest of Europe? I’m part German but I have absolutely no relationship with Germany or German culture, and Germans would have no responsibility to conform to American culture, but rather the opposite.

You seem to be missing my point. The USA is still of majority Euro European descent. Euro Americans are ethnically and family related to Euro Europeans, which form the majority of the Euro ethnic populations of the USA.

To reiterate: as a Brit, American society and culture are totally alien to my own, and the divide seems to be getting wider rather than narrowing. If your own "cousins across the pond" think that way, then you can imagine what more distant relatives like other Europeans think.

[Albionist Great Britain]

The only similarity is ethnic descent, the USA is incompatible with Europe, especially its culture. America is Anglocentric and incompatible even with its mother country, so why would it even be a smidgen compatible with the rest of Europe? I’m part German but I have absolutely no relationship with Germany or German culture, and Germans would have no responsibility to conform to American culture, but rather the opposite.

You seem to be missing my point. The USA is still of majority Euro European descent. Euro Americans are ethnically and family related to Euro Europeans, which form the majority of the Euro ethnic populations of the USA.

I would support my native Cuba returning to España La Madre Patria as the ever faithful island Province of España La Madre Patria. In Cuba's case, the history would have been no Fidel, No Raúl Castro, and western style multi political party democracy with all its faults and merits today. GMS.

You guys are practically aliens to us. Common ethnic descent means nothing when the cultures are completely different to one another. Besides, Americans are far more mixed than Europeans, and your own concept of whiteness isn’t European nor does it belong here. We’re nothing alike.

Also, you can’t say Cuba would’ve become a liberal multiparty democracy under Spain, as it likely wouldn’t have. If anything, it likely could’ve been the opposite,

[The Blaatschapen]

You seem to be missing my point. The USA is still of majority Euro European descent. Euro Americans are ethnically and family related to Euro Europeans, which form the majority of the Euro ethnic populations of the USA.

To reiterate: as a Brit, American society and culture are totally alien to my own, and the divide seems to be getting wider rather than narrowing. If your own "cousins across the pond" think that way, then you can imagine what more distant relatives like other Europeans think.

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I like my toast done on one side
And you can hear it in my accent when I talk
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York

See me walking down Fifth Avenue
A walking cane here at my side
I take it everywhere I walk
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York

Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York
Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
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[Ambassador Wayne]

I don't think Americans would like it especially on the Right. On the other hand, it COULD give the US more leverage over European affairs.

[The New California Republic]

I would support my native Cuba returning to España La Madre Patria as the ever faithful island Province of España La Madre Patria. In Cuba's case, the history would have been no Fidel, No Raúl Castro, and western style multi political party democracy with all its faults and merits today. GMS.

Also, you can’t say Cuba would’ve become a liberal multiparty democracy under Spain, as it likely wouldn’t have. If anything, it likely could’ve been the opposite,

And it seems to be conveniently forgetting that Spain was a dictatorship itself when Castro took over in Cuba, and its transition to democracy wasn't complete until the early 1980s.

[The New California Republic]

To reiterate: as a Brit, American society and culture are totally alien to my own, and the divide seems to be getting wider rather than narrowing. If your own "cousins across the pond" think that way, then you can imagine what more distant relatives like other Europeans think.

I don't take coffee, I take tea, my dear
I like my toast done on one side
And you can hear it in my accent when I talk
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York

See me walking down Fifth Avenue
A walking cane here at my side
I take it everywhere I walk
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York

Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York
Oh, I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien
I'm a EnglishmanScotsman in New York

[Greater Miami Shores]

Also, you can’t say Cuba would’ve become a liberal multiparty democracy under Spain, as it likely wouldn’t have. If anything, it likely could’ve been the opposite,

And it seems to be conveniently forgetting that Spain was a dictatorship itself when Castro took over in Cuba, and its transition to democracy wasn't complete until the early 1980s.

I did not miss the point of Francisco Franco's dictatorship of España La Madre Patria, this is why I said Cuba would be a western style, multi political party democracy today under España La Madre Patria, with all its faults and merits today. GMS.

[The New California Republic]

And it seems to be conveniently forgetting that Spain was a dictatorship itself when Castro took over in Cuba, and its transition to democracy wasn't complete until the early 1980s.

I did not miss the point of Francisco Franco's dictatorship of España La Madre Patria, this is why I said Cuba would be a western style, multi political party democracy today under España La Madre Patria, with all its faults and merits today. GMS.

But regardless this is all sheer conjecture and ultimately pointless, as it requires a total rewriting of Cuban and Spanish history of the past 200 years for no discernible reason other than to retcon reality. Similar to the argument that the USA should have taken over Europe by force at the end of WW2.

[Jetan]

While UK and their Brexit malarkey are proofs that europeans are just as able to shoot themselves in the foot as other people, I doubt there's more than a few village idiots who'd be for letting US in the EU. Not only are US politics completely different from Europe, they would also dominate the whole union.

If we joined the EU we would be completely enslaved by communists, socialists, Islamists, and countless other such heresies and degeneracies that are allowed to run amok in the despoiled home of world enlightenment

I believe you may have taken a wrong turn somewhere. General is OOC.

The US should not join the EU.

We're two sides of the same coin. But if the US would join the EU, it would dominate all our policies, even more than they already do. It's simple demographics. It's a country of 300+ million, whereas the biggest EU country has something like 80.

We already have plenty of cooperation with them through organisations like OECD

Canada can join though

Pretty much.

[Luziyca]

No: knowing the Republicans, within 4-8 years, they'd be elected and they will drag the America out of the EU, even notwithstanding the geography and what not. It'd be a significant waste of time and resources to let the US in for only a few short years before they change their minds like a cat deciding whether to go outside or not.

Plus, factor in American domination of the EU, geography, likely unwillingness to abandon the US dollar, and at best, even if they don't leave, every time the Republicans win, they'd probably align the US with Hungary and Poland. It's certainly not a great idea.

[Mathuvan Union]

While it doesn't make sense for the US to be a part of the EU, it would be cool to merge NATO and the EU and have a sort of Atlantic Economic Union. It could be called the NAU

Is that a North American Union reference?
Also, like the whole thing being referenced is the UN.

[Arcturus Novus]

There's no benefit to the US joining the EU, for either party. NATO is closest we'll probably get to anything resembling a US-Europe coalition like that.

[Celritannia]

Yes, I know what you're thinking. Two different hemispheres.

However, if we put the namesake of the EU aside for a moment, I think that would be a positive development, not just for Europe, or the United States, but the world. EU member countries tend to top the charts of human development and it would be nice to see the American variants as part of an interhemispheric supernational structure. There are a variety of opinions here, some pro-EU, some quite euro-skeptic. There are some who believe the U.S to be a force for good in the world, some who disagree. It's also been posed to me that the entry of the United States into the union would establish a trend of American dominance as well. I personally disagree.

All of that noted, I'd like to hear your opinion.

It would make the USA more leftist, more socialist. Like Canada joining or been taken over by the USA in a war. The 50 US states and the District of Columbia - Washington DC, would declare Independence from the USA and join the EU, Union of European nations as independent nations. GMS.

The District of Columbia - Washington DC, would become a majority black nation.

Canada is neither leftist nor socialist.

[Sundiata]

It would make the USA more leftist, more socialist. Like Canada joining or been taken over by the USA in a war. The 50 US states and the District of Columbia - Washington DC, would declare Independence from the USA and join the EU, Union of European nations as independent nations. GMS.

The District of Columbia - Washington DC, would become a majority black nation.

Canada is neither leftist nor socialist.

What countries would you consider leftist?