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Should Monarchs Reign or Govern?

Should Reign
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27%
Should Govern
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13%
Should not be given power
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52%
Neutral
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Should Monarchs Reign or Govern?

Postby Deus Ignis » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:23 am

This thread is about how monarchs should act while in power. Now lets begin:
I believe that monarchs should reign, not govern, and point the nation into one general direction, while the lords and elected/appointed commoners work out the smaller details.

So lets debate NS!
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Postby Atheris » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:25 am

Monarchs shouldn't be given power. In the event they do rule over a country, though, it's always best to limit their power via constitutionalism and parliamentarianism.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:27 am

As long as it's not absolute monarchy, allows freedoms and basic rights, alongside protecting the nation from extremism, yes.
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Postby Asardia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:27 am

The will of the people always trumps a monarch. We should have elected officials who then appoint their own subordinates to offices, similar to the US political system There's no reason for a family to have permanent power. Anytime you give any person unlimited power for an unlimited time, you see dictatorships and corruption. I believe that elections and term limits at least force some honesty.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:31 am

Reign not rule.
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Postby Cetacea » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:53 am

Asardia wrote:The will of the people always trumps a monarch. We should have elected officials who then appoint their own subordinates to offices, similar to the US political system There's no reason for a family to have permanent power. Anytime you give any person unlimited power for an unlimited time, you see dictatorships and corruption. I believe that elections and term limits at least force some honesty.


Well the fact that the USA has more Corruption than the UK kinda disproves your statement doesnt it?

The whole debacle of the US elections and threats of the Court determining the outcome is the very reason why an Independent Monarch overseeing Parliament is a better system for head of state than a US style Presidency.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:54 am

Cetacea wrote:
Asardia wrote:The will of the people always trumps a monarch. We should have elected officials who then appoint their own subordinates to offices, similar to the US political system There's no reason for a family to have permanent power. Anytime you give any person unlimited power for an unlimited time, you see dictatorships and corruption. I believe that elections and term limits at least force some honesty.


Well the fact that the USA has more Corruption than the UK kinda disproves your statement doesnt it?

The whole debacle of the US elections amd threats of the Court determining the outcome is the very reason why a Independent Monarch overseeing Parliament is a better system for head of state than a US style Presidency.

Well, we know the outcome of the election for certain, so for now America doesn't need a monarch. If we're still in recession by Biden's 1 year anniversary, I'm becoming an American Monarchist.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:10 am

Asardia wrote:The will of the people always trumps a monarch. We should have elected officials who then appoint their own subordinates to offices, similar to the US political system There's no reason for a family to have permanent power. Anytime you give any person unlimited power for an unlimited time, you see dictatorships and corruption. I believe that elections and term limits at least force some honesty.

So the opinion of the average people (of average intelligence) counts more than a family that might all be above average due to education and *cough cough* maybe genetics *cough cough*
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:33 am

Monarchs should pop out of their cocoon and fly.
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:35 am

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Cetacea wrote:
Well the fact that the USA has more Corruption than the UK kinda disproves your statement doesnt it?

The whole debacle of the US elections amd threats of the Court determining the outcome is the very reason why a Independent Monarch overseeing Parliament is a better system for head of state than a US style Presidency.

Well, we know the outcome of the election for certain, so for now America doesn't need a monarch. If we're still in recession by Biden's 1 year anniversary, I'm becoming an American Monarchist.


Which dynasty will you root for? Bush? Roosevelt? Adams? Harry&Meghan?
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Postby New haven america » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:37 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Asardia wrote:The will of the people always trumps a monarch. We should have elected officials who then appoint their own subordinates to offices, similar to the US political system There's no reason for a family to have permanent power. Anytime you give any person unlimited power for an unlimited time, you see dictatorships and corruption. I believe that elections and term limits at least force some honesty.

So the opinion of the average people (of average intelligence) counts more than a family that might all be above average due to education and *cough cough* maybe genetics *cough cough*

Most monarchs and nobility in Europe were so inbred that they couldn't be bumped into too hard or go outside of too long or else they'd get massive bruises and sunburns.

And by too hard I mean a light tap.
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Postby Old Tanokiana » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:44 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:So the opinion of the average people (of average intelligence) counts more than a family that might all be above average due to education and *cough cough* maybe genetics *cough cough*


Bro the Habsburgs were neither of both lmao

A Monarch is like a Tankette, yes we can have it, yes it can still serve its intended function, the problem is: There's already an X for Y. The president is as much of a recognisable figure as say the Queen, The ambassador is as smooth speaking (I guess) as the King's English, it doesn't stop a monarch from existing, let alone govern. It's just that the modern world sees a Monarch as an ancient rock, and therefore should be disposed of. Elective Monarchies anyone?
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:46 am

New haven america wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:So the opinion of the average people (of average intelligence) counts more than a family that might all be above average due to education and *cough cough* maybe genetics *cough cough*

Most monarchs and nobility in Europe were so inbred that they couldn't be bumped into too hard or go outside of too long or else they'd get massive bruises and sunburns.

nd by too hard I mean a light tap.

I know of haemophilia in the Victorian age was a probably but then that isn’t a problem now (as evidenced by the combat service of the then Prince, Harry amongst other examples). The answer to that is simple, allow your nobles to marry outside of Europe. That will broaden the gene pool.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:49 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
New haven america wrote:Most monarchs and nobility in Europe were so inbred that they couldn't be bumped into too hard or go outside of too long or else they'd get massive bruises and sunburns.

nd by too hard I mean a light tap.

1. I know of haemophilia in the Victorian age was a probably but then that isn’t a problem now (as evidenced by the combat service of the then Prince, Harry amongst other examples). 2. The answer to that is simple, allow your nobles to marry outside of Europe. That will broaden the gene pool.

1. That's because they're not inbreeding anymore and marrying "Commoners" who ironically are more genetically stable than the so called rulers chosen by God.
2. Yeah, because anytime a British noble married someone from outside of the country, that was received increadibly well by the public and the family.

Also, it wasn't just hemophilia, it was things like 2 ft long chins and eyes that could pop out randomly.
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Postby Champagne Socialist Sharifistan » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:56 am

Old Tanokiana wrote:
Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:So the opinion of the average people (of average intelligence) counts more than a family that might all be above average due to education and *cough cough* maybe genetics *cough cough*


Bro the Habsburgs were neither of both lmao

A Monarch is like a Tankette, yes we can have it, yes it can still serve its intended function, the problem is: There's already an X for Y. The president is as much of a recognisable figure as say the Queen, The ambassador is as smooth speaking (I guess) as the King's English, it doesn't stop a monarch from existing, let alone govern. It's just that the modern world sees a Monarch as an ancient rock, and therefore should be disposed of. Elective Monarchies anyone?

I actually agree with elective monarchies. What gives one of the monarch’s children a better right to govern just because they were born earlier?
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Postby The Blaatschapen » Wed Nov 11, 2020 5:58 am

Champagne Socialist Sharifistan wrote:
Old Tanokiana wrote:
Bro the Habsburgs were neither of both lmao

A Monarch is like a Tankette, yes we can have it, yes it can still serve its intended function, the problem is: There's already an X for Y. The president is as much of a recognisable figure as say the Queen, The ambassador is as smooth speaking (I guess) as the King's English, it doesn't stop a monarch from existing, let alone govern. It's just that the modern world sees a Monarch as an ancient rock, and therefore should be disposed of. Elective Monarchies anyone?

I actually agree with elective monarchies. What gives one of the monarch’s children a better right to govern just because they were born earlier?


What gives a monarch the right to govern in the first place ;)
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:00 am

I would like my queen to be able to exercise executive power, rather than be relegated to the role of a figurehead. I do think the monarch's power should be restricted by the law and by the existence of the elected House of Commons, however. A situation like that of the German Empire or modern Kuwait, with an executive but not autocratic monarch, would suit me.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:30 am

Both it by god ordained order.
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Postby Sannyamathland » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:34 am

Monarchs should be dragged onto the streets,along with the Royal Family...and should be publicly hanged to death.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Wed Nov 11, 2020 6:43 am

They should be ousted.

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Postby New Visayan Islands » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:14 am

Sannyamathland wrote:Monarchs should be dragged onto the streets,along with the Royal Family...and should be publicly hanged to death.
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Postby The Holy Therns » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:26 am

Monarchs should resign. Then make lovely careers as motivational speakers on the topic of how messed up you get being treated as inherently a leader by virtue of who your dad is.
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Postby Suriyanakhon » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:30 am

I'm of the belief that monarchs ought to rule since monarchy is a reflection of the divine order and that Buddhism can't be whole without a king who embodies the Dhamma.
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Postby Picairn » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:31 am

While being a symbol of unity is good and all, monarchs are practically useless in today's era. Frankly, all monarchs in the world (constitutional or absolute) should be replaced with elected leaders.
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Postby Celritannia » Wed Nov 11, 2020 7:37 am

I support the concept of an Elected Constitutional Monarchy that should reign (with a review each decade) and have reserve powers used through an independent Constitutional Commission.
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