2020 US General Election Thread XIII: Nocturne

[Albrenia]

If we had real class consciousness and solidarity, the people would provide for those who walk away from evil work.

But we don’t, Page. That’s why this is not as easy as telling those staffers to just walk out of their jobs.

In your opinion, is there a point in which subjecting oneself and one's loved ones to scarcity stops being adequate excuse?

[Major-Tom]

I'm inviting all of you, once again, to join me in Mexico should his half-assed coup attempt work. I can make barbacoa tacos and margaritas real well, so, tough to think about the disintegration of democratic norms when you're half-drunk and in a food coma.

[Senkaku]

Ugh. Looks like Trump's trying to cement control of the military by filling the DoD with his lickspittles.

I don't think it will work. I hope it won't work.

I think there's a chance it could at least leave the military paralyzed. If military commanders are given orders from the proper civilian deputies of the constitutionally legitimate sitting president, before his term is up, can they really be expected to anoint themselves as the arbiters of constitutional law and buck him?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Once again, it’s easy to say “stop working” when we’re talking from a position of either privilege or ignorance as to the particular cases of each of those staffers. Ideally, your take would work, but we don’t live in an ideal place and yes, them walking out of a job, even if they find their bosses reprehensible, can indeed mean scarcity for them and their families. Sorry, but it’s not as easy as saying “you lot stop working”. For someone who bemoaned economic collapse in the CoVID19 thread, Lumen is fast to want that for others it seems.

Congressional staffers don't usually sign up to work for a senator or representative with whom they share no ideological affinity anyways. And once you share an ideological affinity with your boss, you're more inclined to bend your logic the same way they do when that ideology becomes irreconcilable with reality or democracy.

People can change. My mother had to work closely with people she found morally and politically reprehensible because she had bills to pay and a sick mom. Some of those staffers probably fall into your description, but that doesn’t mean all do.

[Kowani]

Ugh. Looks like Trump's trying to cement control of the military by filling the DoD with his lickspittles.

I don't think it will work. I hope it won't work.

Its not going to.

I'd recommend reading some Sinclair Lewis when you get some free time.

[Geneviev]

This is not normal.

Nothing about the last four years has been normal

That too. Thank goodness it's almost over.

[Major-Tom]

Nothing about the last four years has been normal

That too. Thank goodness it's almost over.

I wish I shared your optimism. Biden being sworn in isn't going to fix how broken we are.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

But we don’t, Page. That’s why this is not as easy as telling those staffers to just walk out of their jobs.

In your opinion, is there a point in which subjecting oneself and one's loved ones to scarcity stops being adequate excuse?

That depends on the individual. If you’re asking me personally? I think I’d bend over backwards if that meant I can protect my family from destitution.

[San Lumen]

Its not going to.

I'd recommend reading some Sinclair Lewis when you get some free time.

and we will have mass unrest and protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

[Kowani]

Nothing about the last four years has been normal

That too. Thank goodness it's almost over.

ahahahaha

[Senkaku]

Congressional staffers don't usually sign up to work for a senator or representative with whom they share no ideological affinity anyways. And once you share an ideological affinity with your boss, you're more inclined to bend your logic the same way they do when that ideology becomes irreconcilable with reality or democracy.

People can change. My mother had to work closely with people she found morally and politically reprehensible because she had bills to pay and a sick mom. Some of those staffers probably fall into your description, but that doesn’t mean all do.

When the country is staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis and potential civil war, that seems like the appropriate time for someone in a position of relative power like a congressional staffer or a member of Congress to make significant personal sacrifices for the greater good. This "we all have a boss!" shit only goes so far.

[Eukaryotic Cells]

I'd recommend reading some Sinclair Lewis when you get some free time.

and we will have mass unrest and protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

I don't think Trump cares.

[Albrenia]

In your opinion, is there a point in which subjecting oneself and one's loved ones to scarcity stops being adequate excuse?

That depends on the individual. If you’re asking me personally? I think I’d bend over backwards if that meant I can protect my family from destitution.

Understandable. I fully agree that it is easy to judge such folks from a place where one does not have to make the same choice, yet I do not think those unfortunate enough to have to make the choice are innocent of the choice they make.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

People can change. My mother had to work closely with people she found morally and politically reprehensible because she had bills to pay and a sick mom. Some of those staffers probably fall into your description, but that doesn’t mean all do.

When the country is staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis and potential civil war, that seems like the appropriate time for someone in a position of relative power like a congressional staffer or a member of Congress to make significant personal sacrifices for the greater good. This "we all have a boss!" shit only goes so far.

Easy thing to say when neither you nor I are faced with that decision, don’t you think?

[Exalted Inquellian State]

Even if Trump tries his coup, the times of a conservative military are over. They'd countercoup him and install Pelosi after arresting his entire cabinet.

[Zurkerx]

Cal Cunningham has conceded the election, meaning Senator Tillis has likely won re-election. Should have kept it in your pants, Lieutenant Colonel.

Or at least made his sexting a little more spicy.

Ohh, kinky.

Speaking of conceding, Biden says Trump's failure to concede is an 'embarrassment, saying it won't help Trump's legacy.

[Cordel One]

Saying any party hates or wants to destroy America just makes them sound a lot cooler than they are. Democrats and Republicans love the United States because they can profit off it.

Does it ever get scary being so close to the edge?

It would be if I wasn't angry lol

[Valrifell]

I'd recommend reading some Sinclair Lewis when you get some free time.

and we will have mass unrest and protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

That's not a point against it being possible, you understand.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

That depends on the individual. If you’re asking me personally? I think I’d bend over backwards if that meant I can protect my family from destitution.

Understandable. I fully agree that it is easy to judge such folks from a place where one does not have to make the same choice, yet I do not think those unfortunate enough to have to make the choice are innocent of the choice they make.

It’s down to choice. And I never said they’re all blameless. But it’s easy to demand stuff when it’s not our skin on the line. That’s all I’ll say.

[San Lumen]

and we will have mass unrest and protests the likes of which this country has never seen.

I don't think Trump cares.

and Republican that won't denounce him is a coward and has no place in politics.

[Albrenia]

Understandable. I fully agree that it is easy to judge such folks from a place where one does not have to make the same choice, yet I do not think those unfortunate enough to have to make the choice are innocent of the choice they make.

It’s down to choice. And I never said they’re all blameless. But it’s easy to demand stuff when it’s not our skin on the like. That’s all I’ll say.

I'll agree to that. Let us hope none of us here ever have to make such a choice in our own lives.

[Zurkerx]

I'm inviting all of you, once again, to join me in Mexico should his half-assed coup attempt work. I can make barbacoa tacos and margaritas real well, so, tough to think about the disintegration of democratic norms when you're half-drunk and in a food coma.

Hmm tempting but can you make some good arroz con frijoles? Oh, and I see Mexico's leader hasn't congratulated Biden yet so maybe no Mexico- Costa Rica I think would be better.

[Major-Tom]

I don't think Trump cares.

and Republican that won't denounce him is a coward and has no place in politics.

Yeah, San, we know.

[Major-Tom]

I'm inviting all of you, once again, to join me in Mexico should his half-assed coup attempt work. I can make barbacoa tacos and margaritas real well, so, tough to think about the disintegration of democratic norms when you're half-drunk and in a food coma.

Hmm tempting but can you make some good arroz con frijoles? Oh, and I see Mexico's leader hasn't congratulated Biden yet so maybe no Mexico- Costa Rica I think would be better.

I cannot, but I can try.

Costa Rica, see that sounds nice, but my little car can't drive that far.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

It’s down to choice. And I never said they’re all blameless. But it’s easy to demand stuff when it’s not our skin on the like. That’s all I’ll say.

I'll agree to that. Let us hope none of us here ever have to make such a choice in our own lives.

Sorry, “skin on the line”. My keyboard is allergic to both Ns and Ms it seems.