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Postby Kathol Rift » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:32 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So far, yes. Try to stay calm. I think your system will hold.

I am but some of the talk coming from Republicans is downright scary.

Some republicans, admittedly some high ranking ones, but not all of us are dicks.
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Jedi Council wrote:I think that's a sentiment shared by alot of people.

I have found it ironic that the Left hated Hillary so much, when she was probably more progressive than Biden, and has a much more clear eyed view about what the GOP has become.

Not saying you're one of those people, just thinking aloud


Hindsight is a bitch, in other words.

After this year is over, the phrase “Hindsight is 20/20” will take on a whole new meaning, as “Hindsight is 2020.”
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Postby No State Here » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:32 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Kanadorika wrote:It wouldn't be too bad if Mattis somehow got into power and ordered that all children in the country be given free books.

Almost every high ranking general in the military is a respectable person, you can’t say the same for elected officials

Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:33 pm

No State Here wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Almost every high ranking general in the military is a respectable person, you can’t say the same for elected officials

Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however

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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:33 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Wonderful that a coup is the line we draw in the sand.

That's not the only instance where my support would end for him. Thanks, the words you put in my mouth sure do taste delicious.


Uh you just said a coup would be your line.

I replied to that.

I did not put any words in your mouth, rather you failed to elaborate any other places where your support would end.

Nice try being witty though
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:34 pm

No State Here wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Almost every high ranking general in the military is a respectable person, you can’t say the same for elected officials

Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however

I’ve seen this argument many times

There’s nothing that makes democracy inherently better when a large part of the entire populace is politically apathetic, as is the case in the US. Military rule would ensure meritocracy in the government
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:35 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
No State Here wrote:Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however

I’ve seen this argument many times

There’s nothing that makes democracy inherently better when a large part of the entire populace is politically apathetic, as is the case in the US. Military rule would ensure meritocracy in the government

The military is not a strictly meritocratic organization
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:35 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its not politics its cowardice.


Politics are full of cowardice too. It’s a human endeavor.


Cowardice has no place in politics. if you wont publicly tell your candidate that you lost accept it and concede you have no business serving in Congress.

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Postby No State Here » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:36 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
No State Here wrote:Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however

You think he's only a fascist in game? No, he's an unironic fascist. Though he supports a form of fascism he invented that has no racism.

Technically fascism in theory has no racism, if we’re going by Giovanni Gentile’s writings

In practice…
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Postby Heloin » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:38 pm

This is the dumbest coup attempt in history.

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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:38 pm

Heloin wrote:This is the dumbest coup attempt in history.

And it still might just work.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:38 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Politics are full of cowardice too. It’s a human endeavor.


Cowardice has no place in politics. if you wont publicly tell your candidate that you lost accept it and concede you have no business serving in Congress.


But it’s present, whether we like it or not. Let me give you some advice: stop idealizing politicos. They’re human and prone to the same shortcomings you and I have.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:39 pm

Heloin wrote:This is the dumbest coup attempt in history.

But you have heard of it
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:39 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
No State Here wrote:Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however

I’ve seen this argument many times

There’s nothing that makes democracy inherently better when a large part of the entire populace is politically apathetic, as is the case in the US. Military rule would ensure meritocracy in the government

You reminded me of someone. Are you that fascist who said in the comment section of the PragerU video where they said Nazis were leftists that fascism was center-authoritarian?
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Postby Andsed » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:39 pm

Heloin wrote:This is the dumbest coup attempt in history.

Did I miss something? Is Trump actually attempting a coup now?
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:40 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
No State Here wrote:Military officers aren’t chosen by the people, however

I’ve seen this argument many times

There’s nothing that makes democracy inherently better when a large part of the entire populace is politically apathetic, as is the case in the US. Military rule would ensure meritocracy in the government

This is the case that a lot of African militaries made in the 1960s and 1970s as they overturned dysfunctional post-independence civilian regimes. All military rule actually leads to is the military becoming a bloated, politicized organization no longer primarily dedicated simply to territorial defense of the nation and losing all institutional credibility.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:40 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Heloin wrote:This is the dumbest coup attempt in history.

And it still might just work.


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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:41 pm

Cal Cunningham has conceded the election, meaning Senator Tillis has likely won re-election. Should have kept it in your pants, Lieutenant Colonel.



It's unsurprising that the Republican Party Leadership is weak and spineless: they know it's over but because Trump holds significant power over the party and its voters (they allowed it to happen), they can't even speak up; if they do, then retribution is their punishment.
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Postby Esalia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:42 pm



Whilst it's good that there's actually Republicans that respect that Biden won, the fact that they're completely silent on this issue makes them functionally identical to the Republicans that are okay with this going on and have said nothing on it.

Whether this is cowardice or fear, I don't know, but it's not good that this is the case.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:43 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Cal Cunningham has conceded the election, meaning Senator Tillis has likely won re-election. Should have kept it in your pants, Lieutenant Colonel.



It's unsurprising that the Republican Party Leadership is weak and spineless: they know it's over but because Trump holds significant power over the party and its voters (they allowed it to happen), they can't even speak up; if they do, then retribution is their punishment.

or Republicans could have had some integrity and kept it quiet but they have no integrity.'

They should speak up and if their base doesn;t like it find a new base.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:43 pm

Esalia wrote:


Whilst it's good that there's actually Republicans that respect that Biden won, the fact that they're completely silent on this issue makes them functionally identical to the Republicans that are okay with this going on and have said nothing on it.

Whether this is cowardice or fear, I don't know, but it's not good that this is the case.


They’re afraid. And many in the leadership lack a spine.
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Postby Page » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:44 pm

Andsed wrote:
Heloin wrote:This is the dumbest coup attempt in history.

Did I miss something? Is Trump actually attempting a coup now?


Depends on your definition of coup. Trump absolutely tried to rig the election in his favor and is now attempting to hold on to power despite losing. Call it what you want but Trump is an enemy of the people.
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:44 pm

Silent Republicans are betraying their nation. They're literally letting the nation they swore to serve be damaged because it is politically bad for them to speak up.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:44 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Esalia wrote:
Whilst it's good that there's actually Republicans that respect that Biden won, the fact that they're completely silent on this issue makes them functionally identical to the Republicans that are okay with this going on and have said nothing on it.

Whether this is cowardice or fear, I don't know, but it's not good that this is the case.


They’re afraid. And many in the leadership lack a spine.

and that makes them cowards. They should tell their base they are idiots and to accept the election and if they dont tell them to be quiet and find a new base.
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Postby Senkaku » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:45 pm

DoD chief of staff replaced by former Nunes staffer, Undersec'ty for Intelligence is also out (will link to tweet in a sec, I hate desktop twitter)
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Nov 10, 2020 1:45 pm

Albrenia wrote:Silent Republicans are betraying their nation. They're literally letting the nation they swore to serve be damaged because it is politically bad for them to speak up.

I have yet to see a single good excuse for their behavior.

Even the Trump supporters on this site have been strangely quiet.
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