NATION

PASSWORD

2020 US General Election Thread XIII: Nocturne

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Eukaryotic Cells
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1632
Founded: Aug 10, 2020
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:08 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:barr allows bullshit to continue

Can't wait to see this Benedict Arnold get kicked to the curb.
Last edited by Eukaryotic Cells on Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:17 pm, edited 1 time in total.

User avatar
Forsher
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17541
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:08 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Forsher wrote:Could Biden win the Senate by choosing Republicans in blue states to be Cabinet members, thus freeing their seats? Or would he need to choose Senators whose governors are Democrats???

EDIT: really bad typo


Could those politicians just refuse to take up the minister post?


I would assume.

Mostly I was just trying to find some way of justifying this.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

User avatar
Forsher
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17541
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:09 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Republicans refuse to confirm Republican senators to Cabinet positions in a Democratic government?

I mean, yes, it's blatantly an attempt to let Democratic Governors choose Democrats and thereby release the Senate, but still...


They could if they wanted too. If theory they could refuse to vote on any executive appointment or judge Biden appoints.


Sorry, I was unclear. I mean, wouldn't Republicans have an interest in making Biden govern as much like a Republican as possible? And that by having senior Republicans in cabinet, that would be more effectively achieved?
Last edited by Forsher on Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:10 pm, edited 1 time in total.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Post Czar
 
Posts: 46329
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:10 pm

Forsher wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They could if they wanted too. If theory they could refuse to vote on any executive appointment or judge Biden appoints.


Sorry, I was unclear. I mean, wouldn't Republicans have an interest in making Biden govern as much like a Republican as possible? And that by having senior Republicans in cabinet, that would be more effectively achieved?


They'd have a much easier time making him do that by continuing to hold the Senate majority.
Leaning towards Agrarian State Socialism, Anti-Racist, Authoritarian, Pagan

User avatar
The Blaatschapen
Retired Moderator
 
Posts: 57086
Founded: Antiquity
Anarchy

Postby The Blaatschapen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:10 pm

Forsher wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Could those politicians just refuse to take up the minister post?


I would assume.

Mostly I was just trying to find some way of justifying this.



Time for a dream team of NSGers on cabinet posts?
Forumer mod, now a rocker mocker. Thank you Ringo
Five blank lines will now follow





This is the 8th line. If your sig is longer than mine, it is too long.

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52151
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:11 pm

Forsher wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
They could if they wanted too. If theory they could refuse to vote on any executive appointment or judge Biden appoints.


Sorry, I was unclear. I mean, wouldn't Republicans have an interest in making Biden govern as much like a Republican as possible? And that by having senior Republicans in cabinet, that would be more effectively achieved?


Not if it would cost them a Senate seat. I doubt they'd confirm any Republican senators whose state has a Democratic governor if it meant an automatic loss of that seat.

User avatar
Zurkerx
Game Moderator
 
Posts: 8525
Founded: Jan 20, 2011
Anarchy

Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:14 pm

Okay, I'm still working on calculating everyone's predictions but in total, we had- excluding my friend- 28 of us made serious predictions. Of those 28, only Esalia (Esalia) is on track to exactly predicting and calling for the correct results: Biden 306 to Trump's 232. Now, there are three States that remain uncall: Alaska, Georgia, and North Carolina. I counted Alaska as Trump's since he'll win there but the other two are unknown. However, Biden leans in Georgia while Trump leans in North Carolina which if they go that way, Esalia calls it perfectly. I won't be counting GA or NC until they're officially called.
A Golden Civic: the New Pragmatic Libertarian.
My Words: Indeed, Indubitably & Malarkey
Retired Admin in NSGS and NS Parliament

Accountant, Author, History Buff, Political Junkie
Biden 2020: Vote for America
"Try not to become a person of success, but rather try to become a person of value." Albert Einstein
"Trust, but verify." Ronald Reagan

User avatar
Whitemore
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 195
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Whitemore » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Sorry, I was unclear. I mean, wouldn't Republicans have an interest in making Biden govern as much like a Republican as possible? And that by having senior Republicans in cabinet, that would be more effectively achieved?


Not if it would cost them a Senate seat. I doubt they'd confirm any Republican senators whose state has a Democratic governor if it meant an automatic loss of that seat.


Off topic a bit but Doug Jones is rumored to be the front-runner for U.S. Attorney General, a bit interesting if they'd confirm it.
★ The Empire of Whitemore ★ - "We will reach the Gates of Heaven."


    Human surviver State set in 2601 AD, years after a brutalizing Alien attack on Earth that forced a mass Exodus from the Planet.

    • More Xenophobic and Militaristic then the Holy Britannian Empire and the Ver's Empire combined.

User avatar
Bombadil
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15235
Founded: Oct 13, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:15 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
I would assume.

Mostly I was just trying to find some way of justifying this.



Time for a dream team of NSGers on cabinet posts?


I did already call dibs on Special Envoy to the Bahamas a couple of threads ago so don't anyone rain on my parade.
Eldest, that's what I am...Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn...he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Lord came from Outside..

十年

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52151
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:16 pm

Whitemore wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Not if it would cost them a Senate seat. I doubt they'd confirm any Republican senators whose state has a Democratic governor if it meant an automatic loss of that seat.


Off topic a bit but Doug Jones is rumored to be the front-runner for U.S. Attorney General, a bit interesting if they'd confirm it.


Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Post Czar
 
Posts: 46329
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Whitemore wrote:
Off topic a bit but Doug Jones is rumored to be the front-runner for U.S. Attorney General, a bit interesting if they'd confirm it.


Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


McConnell's plan last I heard is every cabinet pick gets blocked unless the Republicans deem them to be moderate enough.
Leaning towards Agrarian State Socialism, Anti-Racist, Authoritarian, Pagan

User avatar
Whitemore
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 195
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Whitemore » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Whitemore wrote:
Off topic a bit but Doug Jones is rumored to be the front-runner for U.S. Attorney General, a bit interesting if they'd confirm it.


Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell just refused to have any hearings on cabinet picks, leaving the Biden Admin crippled from the start of it's term.
★ The Empire of Whitemore ★ - "We will reach the Gates of Heaven."


    Human surviver State set in 2601 AD, years after a brutalizing Alien attack on Earth that forced a mass Exodus from the Planet.

    • More Xenophobic and Militaristic then the Holy Britannian Empire and the Ver's Empire combined.

User avatar
Bombadil
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15235
Founded: Oct 13, 2011
Left-Leaning College State

Postby Bombadil » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:18 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Whitemore wrote:
Off topic a bit but Doug Jones is rumored to be the front-runner for U.S. Attorney General, a bit interesting if they'd confirm it.


Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


Exactly, nor would I - this is all purely to justify blocking everything on the basis the election was not legitimate.
Eldest, that's what I am...Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn...he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless — before the Dark Lord came from Outside..

十年

User avatar
Major-Tom
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13754
Founded: Mar 09, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:18 pm

The Blaatschapen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
I would assume.

Mostly I was just trying to find some way of justifying this.



Time for a dream team of NSGers on cabinet posts?


As a sheep, you'd make a great Secretary of Agriculture. Throw in WRA as Defense Secretary (he can defend the US single-handedly), maybe Therm in Veteran's Affairs, you get the gist.
Teacher | McGovern '72, Come Home America.
Who is Tom?
Other Pertinent Factbooks

User avatar
Major-Tom
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 13754
Founded: Mar 09, 2016
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Major-Tom » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:19 pm

Whitemore wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell just refused to have any hearings on cabinet picks, leaving the Biden Admin crippled from the start of it's term.


I...don't even know the political ramifications of that. One side of me feels like the GOP would be slaughtered for trying to do that, but the rational side of me knows it would allow them to paint the Dems as "weak." Thus, allowing them to win big in 2022. *sighs*

Able to rig an entire election, unable to pick a Cabinet member, nobody gets sick of the double-speak, god love it.
Last edited by Major-Tom on Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Teacher | McGovern '72, Come Home America.
Who is Tom?
Other Pertinent Factbooks

User avatar
Rusozak
Minister
 
Posts: 3235
Founded: Jun 14, 2015
Father Knows Best State

Postby Rusozak » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:19 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Must be weird ass paranoia. What time is it in your location?


Close to 7pm. Someone called the police. They just arrived.


Haven't had anything bad like that thankfully, but Election night was one big game of "Is that sound fireworks or gunshots?"
NOTE: This nation's government style, policies, and opinions in roleplay or forum 7 does not represent my true beliefs. It is purely for the enjoyment of the game.

User avatar
Forsher
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17541
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
Sorry, I was unclear. I mean, wouldn't Republicans have an interest in making Biden govern as much like a Republican as possible? And that by having senior Republicans in cabinet, that would be more effectively achieved?


Not if it would cost them a Senate seat. I doubt they'd confirm any Republican senators whose state has a Democratic governor if it meant an automatic loss of that seat.


I suppose... but Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Montana, North Carolina and Wisconsin are the opportunities to try and convince Republican Senators to take up other posts... I guess, ideally, ones that wouldn't require their Senate colleagues to approve.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

User avatar
Washington Resistance Army
Post Czar
 
Posts: 46329
Founded: Aug 08, 2011
Father Knows Best State

Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:20 pm

Also it's a small thing but Biden's insistence on the need for a hard border to not be put up in Ireland is a great start to his foreign policy imo. I desperately hope his admin will try to continue dialogue with the DPRK as well because the era of sanctions and all that other shit has clearly failed.
Leaning towards Agrarian State Socialism, Anti-Racist, Authoritarian, Pagan

User avatar
Forsher
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17541
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:20 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


McConnell's plan last I heard is every cabinet pick gets blocked unless the Republicans deem them to be moderate enough.


The beauty of appointing Republicans...
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52151
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:21 pm

Bombadil wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


Exactly, nor would I - this is all purely to justify blocking everything on the basis the election was not legitimate.


I almost expect him to do that along with every judge Biden nominates and his fellow senators will go along with it. McConnell's staff should tell him off but they won't do that. They ought to refuse to do any work. In fact the staff of every Republican in Congress ought to refuse to do their jobs and just sit in the office and do nothing.

User avatar
Thermodolia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 62914
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:21 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Also it's a small thing but Biden's insistence on the need for a hard border to not be put up in Ireland is a great start to his foreign policy imo. I desperately hope his admin will try to continue dialogue with the DPRK as well because the era of sanctions and all that other shit has clearly failed.

Why continue with talks when you can just launch WW3 and be the last american president of all time?
Male, Titoist cultural nationalist, lives somewhere in the Deep South, give me any good Irish, Canadian, or Scottish whiskey and I will be your friend for life. I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies
Click Here for RP Info Embassy Program
Ambassadors to the WA:
Ambassador to the GA Jon Æthr
Ambassador to the SC Eve Šanœ

RIP Dya

User avatar
San Lumen
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 52151
Founded: Jul 02, 2009
New York Times Democracy

Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:21 pm

Forsher wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
McConnell's plan last I heard is every cabinet pick gets blocked unless the Republicans deem them to be moderate enough.


The beauty of appointing Republicans...

Republicans would never confirm them.

User avatar
Whitemore
Spokesperson
 
Posts: 195
Founded: Jul 22, 2020
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Whitemore » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:22 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Whitemore wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if McConnell just refused to have any hearings on cabinet picks, leaving the Biden Admin crippled from the start of it's term.


I...don't even know the political ramifications of that. One side of me feels like the GOP would be slaughtered for trying to do that, but the rational side of me knows it would allow them to paint the Dems as "weak." Thus, allowing them to win big in 2022. *sighs*

Able to rig an entire election, unable to pick a Cabinet member, nobody gets sick of the double-speak, god love it.


Though it could also give Biden the image that he needs in order to perhaps win the 2022 midterms, expand the house majority and secure the senate (assuming that Warnock and Ossoff don't win), he could campaign around saying all sorts of things about needing our help in defeating the republicans who refuse to work with him- ignoring the people who voted for him.
★ The Empire of Whitemore ★ - "We will reach the Gates of Heaven."


    Human surviver State set in 2601 AD, years after a brutalizing Alien attack on Earth that forced a mass Exodus from the Planet.

    • More Xenophobic and Militaristic then the Holy Britannian Empire and the Ver's Empire combined.

User avatar
Forsher
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 17541
Founded: Jan 30, 2012
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Forsher » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Forsher wrote:
The beauty of appointing Republicans...

Republicans would never confirm them.


At which point you make a meal out of the Republicans refusal to cooperate in spite of Biden's obviously bipartisan style... and hope it wins you some voters in Georgia senate runoffs.
That it Could be What it Is, Is What it Is

Stop making shit up, though. Links, or it's a God-damn lie and you know it.

The normie life is heteronormie

User avatar
Thermodolia
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 62914
Founded: Oct 07, 2011
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:23 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Who knows. I would not put it past McConnell to block every single cabinet pick.


McConnell's plan last I heard is every cabinet pick gets blocked unless the Republicans deem them to be moderate enough.

Jones is very moderate
Male, Titoist cultural nationalist, lives somewhere in the Deep South, give me any good Irish, Canadian, or Scottish whiskey and I will be your friend for life. I'm GAY!
I'm agent #69 in the Gaystapo!
>The Sons of Adam: I'd crown myself monarch... cuz why not?
>>Dumb Ideologies: Why not turn yourself into a penguin and build an igloo at the centre of the Earth?
>Xovland: I keep getting ads for printer ink. Sometimes, when you get that feeling down there, you have to look at some steamy printer pictures.
Click for Da Funies
Click Here for RP Info Embassy Program
Ambassadors to the WA:
Ambassador to the GA Jon Æthr
Ambassador to the SC Eve Šanœ

RIP Dya

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Aggicificicerous, Deacarsia, Nekostan-e Gharbi, Perchan, Shrillland, The Chuck, The Greater Ohio Valley

Advertisement

Remove ads