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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:31 pm

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Xmara wrote:If not Harris, then who was?

There was a dude a long while ago that was 1/4 Native American...Charles Curtis, member of the Kaw Nation and 33rd VP. Hoover's VP.

Now is where I pretend I knew that all along and didn't learn it from an article two or three days ago.

I mean, I had to look up his name. But I did know there was someone else.
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Postby The Marlborough » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:33 pm

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The Marlborough wrote:It is nice that some media outlets correct themselves when they claimed that Harris was the first POC VP.

If not Harris, then who was?

Charles Curtis, Hoover's VP. He was biracial European-Indigenous and a registered member of the Kaw Nation. Spoke Kansa as his first language to boot. I'm not sure if there has been any other VP whose first language wasn't English.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:33 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Joe Biden wants Trump supporters to "compromise" lol

Members of his party a literally making hit lists of Trump supporters, fuck compromise,

I mean, they're not making a hit list, but Biden has attacked Trump too. Now he wants compromise?

Trump said rations and rations of shitty things. Some shitty things got said back to him.

Do you have a score card somewhere? Just let us know how many shitty things have to be said by who before we drop this grade school immature fucked off dumbass bullshit that's literally the moral of every revenge story ever and we can get on with governing our nation like adults.

Just let us know. What petty set of circumstances and artificial hoops does everyone have to jump through before we pretend like lives and shit are at stake.
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Postby The Marlborough » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:34 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Xmara wrote:If not Harris, then who was?

There was a dude a long while ago that was 1/4 Native American...Charles Curtis, member of the Kaw Nation and 33rd VP. Hoover's VP.

Now is where I pretend I knew that all along and didn't learn it from an article two or three days ago.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:35 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:There was a dude a long while ago that was 1/4 Native American...Charles Curtis, member of the Kaw Nation and 33rd VP. Hoover's VP.

Now is where I pretend I knew that all along and didn't learn it from an article two or three days ago.

I mean, I had to look up his name. But I did know there was someone else.

YMMV
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:36 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I mean, they're not making a hit list, but Biden has attacked Trump too. Now he wants compromise?

Trump said rations and rations of shitty things. Some shitty things got said back to him.

Do you have a score card somewhere? Just let us know how many shitty things have to be said by who before we drop this grade school immature fucked off dumbass bullshit that's literally the moral of every revenge story ever and we can get on with governing our nation like adults.

Just let us know. What petty set of circumstances and artificial hoops does everyone have to jump through before we pretend like lives and shit are at stake.

Both men have horrible personalities. Trump's overly bombastic, talks way to much, and says dumb things. Biden's a doddering stump who accidentally said he had bg voter fraud and behaves like Trump sometimes while calling him out.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:37 pm

Kowani wrote:DOJ official steps down over Barr's voter fraud investigation.

Oh no, who could have seen this coming.


So, even prosecutors there smell bullshit? Unsurprising. I suspect Barr's involvement is an attempt to lend some form of "credibility" that there is legitimate fraud despite the fact there's lacking of evidence of major fraud. Nothing is going to change much, but if they were to steal the election, this is probably how Trump will do it.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:37 pm

Valrifell wrote:Oh by the way, the Democrats officially have a House majority at 218-199 majority with the remaining races yet to be called.

excellent.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:38 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Xmara wrote:If not Harris, then who was?

Charles Curtis, Hoover's VP. He was biracial European-Indigenous and a registered member of the Kaw Nation. Spoke Kansa as his first language to boot. I'm not sure if there has been any other VP whose first language wasn't English.

Curtis is the highest ranking Native American in the history of the United States.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:41 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Trump said rations and rations of shitty things. Some shitty things got said back to him.

Do you have a score card somewhere? Just let us know how many shitty things have to be said by who before we drop this grade school immature fucked off dumbass bullshit that's literally the moral of every revenge story ever and we can get on with governing our nation like adults.

Just let us know. What petty set of circumstances and artificial hoops does everyone have to jump through before we pretend like lives and shit are at stake.

Both men have horrible personalities. Trump's overly bombastic, talks way to much, and says dumb things. Biden's a doddering stump who accidentally said he had bg voter fraud and behaves like Trump sometimes while calling him out.

Cool. You got your bothsides credentials out. Didn't really address anything though.
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:42 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Both men have horrible personalities. Trump's overly bombastic, talks way to much, and says dumb things. Biden's a doddering stump who accidentally said he had bg voter fraud and behaves like Trump sometimes while calling him out.

Cool. You got your bothsides credentials out. Didn't really address anything though.

The point was they criticize one and at the same time gloss over the other's faults.

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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:42 pm

The Marlborough wrote:
Xmara wrote:If not Harris, then who was?

Charles Curtis, Hoover's VP. He was biracial European-Indigenous and a registered member of the Kaw Nation. Spoke Kansa as his first language to boot. I'm not sure if there has been any other VP whose first language wasn't English.

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Postby Aclion » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:42 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Aclion wrote:It doesn't delay the transition. The new president doesn't have to wait for the old one to concede. The term ends December 21st regardless, and that's specifically so there is time to hash all this stuff out.

He is literally delaying the transition.

The Administration is not handing anything over until Trump concedes.

Transition happens on the 21st, period
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:42 pm

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:One of my neighbors just went full on apeshit. Screams of conspiracy and socialism. Democrats are the devil, he screams. He says the US will be like Cuba. Should I call the police or the psychiatric ward at the hospital? He’s crazy.

Eh, leave him rant. Long as he ain't hurting anyone or disturbing the peace, he's entitled to his impotent rage.


The police was called. Possibly by another neighbor. He was taken to hospital. Apparently he was very intoxicated.
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:43 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Trump said rations and rations of shitty things. Some shitty things got said back to him.

Do you have a score card somewhere? Just let us know how many shitty things have to be said by who before we drop this grade school immature fucked off dumbass bullshit that's literally the moral of every revenge story ever and we can get on with governing our nation like adults.

Just let us know. What petty set of circumstances and artificial hoops does everyone have to jump through before we pretend like lives and shit are at stake.

Both men have horrible personalities. Trump's overly bombastic, talks way to much, and says dumb things. Biden's a doddering stump who accidentally said he had bg voter fraud and behaves like Trump sometimes while calling him out.

Biden is not like Trump at all.
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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:43 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:Both men have horrible personalities. Trump's overly bombastic, talks way to much, and says dumb things. Biden's a doddering stump who accidentally said he had bg voter fraud and behaves like Trump sometimes while calling him out.

Cool. You got your bothsides credentials out. Didn't really address anything though.

I'm not asking for revenge on Biden. I'm point out his double hypocrisy. He has attacked Trump and Trump supporters before. And now he says he doesn't see them as enemies and wants us all to compromise?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:43 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Kowani wrote:DOJ official steps down over Barr's voter fraud investigation.

Oh no, who could have seen this coming.


So, even prosecutors there smell bullshit? Unsurprising. I suspect Barr's involvement is an attempt to lend some form of "credibility" that there is legitimate fraud despite the fact there's lacking of evidence of major fraud. Nothing is going to change much, but if they were to steal the election, this is probably how Trump will do it.

Well, we learned his MO over the Ukraine thing. He doesn't give a shit about the outcome. See any number of the committees or studywhatevers that he announced and then we neeeeeever heard from them again. As long as he can point to an investigation then he can say 'strange things are happening and we're looking into it but you should totally conclude that whatever it is being investigated is shady...unless it's me. Then it's a witch hunt."
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:44 pm

Aclion wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:He is literally delaying the transition.

The Administration is not handing anything over until Trump concedes.

Transition happens on the 21st, period


the 20th actually and Trump is screwing up the process by refusing to concede and Republicans in Congress should tell him to step aside but they are still too afraid of him.

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:45 pm

Exalted Inquellian State wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Cool. You got your bothsides credentials out. Didn't really address anything though.

I'm not asking for revenge on Biden. I'm point out his double hypocrisy. He has attacked Trump and Trump supporters before. And now he says he doesn't see them as enemies and wants us all to compromise?

Sigh.

So I return to my original question. Just show us your little scorecard, let us know how many lashes who gets so that this petty stupid little game is even and we can pretend that we're talking about adults running one of the most powerful nations on earth making decisions that affect millions and millions of lives.
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Aclion wrote:Transition happens on the 21st, period


the 20th actually and Trump is screwing up the process by refusing to concede and Republicans in Congress should tell him to step aside but they are still too afraid of him.

He'll go full Russia during Napoleon's invasion.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:47 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
the 20th actually and Trump is screwing up the process by refusing to concede and Republicans in Congress should tell him to step aside but they are still too afraid of him.

He'll go full Russia during Napoleon's invasion.

Pence and the cabinet should develop a spine and invoke the 25th amendment but they won't as they are a bunch of yes men.

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Postby Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:47 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:I'm not asking for revenge on Biden. I'm point out his double hypocrisy. He has attacked Trump and Trump supporters before. And now he says he doesn't see them as enemies and wants us all to compromise?

Sigh.

So I return to my original question. Just show us your little scorecard, let us know how many lashes who gets so that this petty stupid little game is even and we can pretend that we're talking about adults running one of the most powerful nations on earth making decisions that affect millions and millions of lives.

No one gets any lashes. But I'm pointing out that Biden's asking to compromise by this point. He said if black people vote for Trump they aren't black, interrupted Trump before, and now wants to compromise. And I am starting to get a guess as to why.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:47 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Cool. You got your bothsides credentials out. Didn't really address anything though.

The point was they criticize one and at the same time gloss over the other's faults.

Okay. So...in the interest of maybe getting something done, do you want a morning airing of grievances where they come out and mention every wrong thing they've done and someone rings a bell so that we can actually get on with the process of governing, or...what? What is it you need so that we can function like a government and not a kindergarten?
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Postby Diarcesia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:48 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Diarcesia wrote:He'll go full Russia during Napoleon's invasion.

Pence and the cabinet should develop a spine and invoke the 25th amendment but they won't as they are a bunch of yes men.

Don't count on it.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:48 pm

Diarcesia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Pence and the cabinet should develop a spine and invoke the 25th amendment but they won't as they are a bunch of yes men.

Don't count on it.

Im not.

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