2020 US General Election Thread XIII: Nocturne

[Farnhamia]

Your reminder that two days ago, Donald Trump held a press conference outside of a landscaping business that is located between a porn shop and a crematorium in the sketchy part of Philly, and now said landscaping business is cashing in on the newfound fame.

I don't believe the president was there.

[Albrenia]

Such is the danger of riding a personality cult for votes I guess.

It's mildly amusing that some of the Trumpists list why six of the SCOTUS have been wronged by Biden, and this is their chance to get revenge on him. They have very little faith in their SCOTUS if they think a personal score would make them decide a case against the law.

Uh only a week ago we were asking if being catholic would make them decide a case against the law

Abortion is a shakier issue where one can argue both sides. Saying 'forget these votes, Trump is President' is not.

[Jedi Council]

Depends on the meaning of 'anything', will they be successful in uncovering fraud? Of course not. Will they continue to undermine faith in the election among supporters, I guess so. Does it delay the transition and put America at risk. Sure.

It's quite amazing to see a party wilfully weaken the US based on zero evidence.

It doesn't delay the transition. The new president doesn't have to wait for the old one to concede. The term ends December 21st regardless, and that's specifically so there is time to hash all this stuff out.

He is literally delaying the transition.

The Administration is not handing anything over until Trump concedes.

[Whitemore]

I love the man, but his foreign policy proposals of the past are wank.

One might argue his selection of Sarah Palin, her baseless claims and appeal to the lowest common denominator, kicked this whole movement off that led to Trump.

As I remember he wanted someone else, can't remember the name, practically a Democrat but the party made him take Palin.

EDIT: Lieberman?

Yes it was Lieberman, in principle it would make more sense but at the time McCain and team thought making a woman vice president would make him stand out just as much as the Democrats nominating the first African African.

[Farnhamia]

I wish they would. You guys deserve a taste of your own medicine

Jeez louise man, what happened?

I don't recall saying Trump's presidency was "illegitimate." I mean, incompetent, ill-informed, illiterate, nepotistic, sometimes even criminal, but not illegitimate. As distasteful as it was, he did win fair and square. That sucked but it is what it is. The Democrats spent more time blaming each other than they spent blaming Trump.

[Xmara]

Your reminder that two days ago, Donald Trump held a press conference outside of a landscaping business that is located between a porn shop and a crematorium in the sketchy part of Philly, and now said landscaping business is cashing in on the newfound fame.

I don't believe the president was there.

Crap.

Well it's still hilarious.

[Bombadil]

I don't believe the president was there.

Crap.

Well it's still hilarious.

Get me a conference at the Four Seasons
Ok..

[Albrenia]

I don't believe the president was there.

Crap.

Well it's still hilarious.

Indeed.

I've become quite entranced by the hardline Trumpists' delusions of late. They think the choice was an intentional nod to the true believers - that he's going to 'cremate' (burn down) the unholy Democrats.

[Farnhamia]

I don't believe the president was there.

Crap.

Well it's still hilarious.

Oh, absolutely.

[Jedi Council]

Crap.

Well it's still hilarious.

Indeed.

I've become quite entranced by the hardline Trumpists' delusions of late. They think the choice was an intentional nod to the true believers - that he's going to 'cremate' (burn down) the unholy Democrats.

Life would be so much easier if my brain worked like theirs.

[Cordel One]

He's a neocon, of course he's a horrible person.

I do remember in the '08 election one of his supporters came up to him saying how Obama was a muslim commie, and he gently chided her and said 'No ma'am, that's not actually true'.

That would never happen in today's environment.

That's a very low bar

[Jedi Council]

I do remember in the '08 election one of his supporters came up to him saying how Obama was a muslim commie, and he gently chided her and said 'No ma'am, that's not actually true'.

That would never happen in today's environment.

That's a very low bar

He was a decent man.

He had politics I disagreed with almost entirely.

These ideas are not mutually exclusive.

[Heloin]

I do remember in the '08 election one of his supporters came up to him saying how Obama was a muslim commie, and he gently chided her and said 'No ma'am, that's not actually true'.

That would never happen in today's environment.

That's a very low bar

If I place the bar on the ground and people still fail to get over it then it really doesn't matter how low that bar was to begin with.

[Cannot think of a name]

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and Republicans will spend the next four years blocking everything claiming Biden's presidency is illegitimate.

I wish they would. You guys deserve a taste of your own medicine

Aw, you must be new and haven't been aware of Republican led legislative bodies since Newt Gingrich during Democratic presidencies.

[Cordel One]

That's a very low bar

If I place the bar on the ground and people still fail to get over it then it really doesn't matter how low that bar was to begin with.

It doesn't mean the people smart enough to step over the bar are good.

[Cannot think of a name]

McCain is laughing in his grave right now at Trump I bet.

People forget McCain was a horrible person.

They don't forget so much as they haven't built a personality around needing to establish a moral superiority with every mention of a name.

[Cordel One]

People forget McCain was a horrible person.

They don't forget so much as they haven't built a personality around needing to establish a moral superiority with every mention of a name.

It's better that than acting superior to random people on a browsergame forum.

[Jebslund]

One of my neighbors just went full on apeshit. Screams of conspiracy and socialism. Democrats are the devil, he screams. He says the US will be like Cuba. Should I call the police or the psychiatric ward at the hospital? He’s crazy.

Eh, leave him rant. Long as he ain't hurting anyone or disturbing the peace, he's entitled to his impotent rage.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I expect Biden and his team are using the time well to plan ahead, prepare draft legislation, and make friends in the Establishment ... the kind who won't pick up the phone for Former Vice-President Joe Biden, but will for President-Elect Joe Biden.

But there no reason Biden and other Democrats in office shouldn't continue trying to reconcile with Republicans. Even if it doesn't work to any noticeable degree, it sends a strong message to President Trump if he notices any weakening of his support from "his" party. And who's to say it won't work? It's undeniably a big task -- burying a hatchet the size of Alaska -- but a big task can be done in two months. They say a week is a long time in politics ...

Then if there are better relations between the parties, ie they've both softened up after their long argument, maybe a soft and wooly Single Payer bill could make it through the Senate. Infrastructure: both parties have said "we'll be happy to lead on that, if we can just get a bit of bipartisanship happening" {irony intended} but of course it hasn't happened, both sides worrying the other will get the credit for it and they'll get blamed for the cost ... but this is nothing new. Maybe engineer the vote so both sides have equal numbers on the final version of the bill, something like that. They could probably both agree to do more about drug addiction, maybe even marijuana decriminalization or amnesty for non-violent drug offenders.

All these things are in the comfort zone between "Re-badged Republican policy" (according the Left) and "letting Democrats spend too much" (according to Right Republicans). To the former I say "it was that, or nothing. Maybe vote Republican next time" and to the latter I say "Goldwater's ghost caught Covid y'know, he's changed his mind about deficits". Maybe roll out Newt again, to remind Republicans of the spirit of bonhomie and shared prosperity that underlies budget cutting ...

In short, of course Biden should persist in trying to reconcile the parties. Not "heal the divide" and certainly not "close the divide" because some divide is inevitable and functional. There are two parties, they must take two sides and they don't need to cuddle up. But if Biden is resilient and elected Democrats also make efforts ... and Democrat voters for Biden's sake stop setting fire to shit ... I can see no better use of the time when the lame duck still has nuclear weapons and the President-elect can still not be certain he will ever be sworn in.

[Picairn]

I expect Biden to immediately erase all of Trump's destructive executive orders and re-enter treaties that Trump pulled out once he's in office, as payback for Obama.

[Cannot think of a name]

I expect Biden to immediately erase all of Trump's destructive executive orders and re-enter treaties that Trump pulled out once he's in office, as payback for Obama.

Seems like it.

[Bombadil]

He has no public events planned for tomorrow. The last time he spoke publicly was Thursday when he delivered a lie-filled press conference that several TV networks cut away from after he illegitimately declared victory.

He has simply given up on running the country at all, it's in the midst of a pandemic and he's just given up to sulk - it's so irresponsible and narcissistic, even to the extent of blocking the transition in a fit of pique.

[Picairn]

I expect Biden to immediately erase all of Trump's destructive executive orders and re-enter treaties that Trump pulled out once he's in office, as payback for Obama.

Seems like it.

5 EOs on the first day. A good start. I hope that within Biden's first year, all of Trump's EOs will be gone.

[Telconi]

I wish they would. You guys deserve a taste of your own medicine

Jeez louise man, what happened?

An election.

[Valrifell]

I wish they would. You guys deserve a taste of your own medicine

Jeez louise man, what happened?

Evidently not the years from 2010-2016.