2020 US General Election Thread XIII: Nocturne

[Thermodolia]

Trump’s foreign policy, nationalism, and border plan + Bernie’s healthcare plan, intelligence, and lack of corruption 2024

>Trump's foreign policy, nationalism, and border plan
>intelligence and lack of corruption
Pick one.

You do realize that you can approve of the policies of Trump without supporting Trump

[Omniabstracta]

>Trump's foreign policy, nationalism, and border plan
>intelligence and lack of corruption
Pick one.

You do realize that you can approve of the policies of Trump without supporting Trump

I think the point being made is that those policies are inherently based on corruption and short-sightedness or incompetency, regardless of who is doing them.

[Odreria]

You do realize that you can approve of the policies of Trump without supporting Trump

I think the point being made is that those policies are inherently based on corruption and short-sightedness or incompetency, regardless of who is doing them.

That’d be a wild attempt at a point

[Thermodolia]

You do realize that you can approve of the policies of Trump without supporting Trump

I think the point being made is that those policies are inherently based on corruption and short-sightedness or incompetency, regardless of who is doing them.

Well that’s an impressively stupid argument

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Lieing and or just plain wrong protesters with guns protest and make threatening bullshit anti sjw noises outside of house

[San Lumen]

It seems to pretty consistently hold true. Moderate and conservative Dems were the big winners in 2018 too iirc. Someone here on NS sent me a list of progressive Dems who won but they were all in deep blue districts, one got over 80% of the vote even, so it seems like outside of those regions they just can't perform well.

The only democrat who flipped a red district was from the centrist/blue dog wing. That pretty much tells you that progressivism is dead

I wouldnt call it dead. it will take time for it to be accepted by the general public but its far from dead.

[Rusozak]

Lieing and or just plain wrong protesters with guns protest and make threatening bullshit anti sjw noises outside of house

Trump protestors: *Armed, enraged, and spewing hate speech and making threats of violence*

Trump supporters: "ThEy'Re pEacEfUl uNlIke aNtiFa."

[Necroghastia]

I think the point being made is that those policies are inherently based on corruption and short-sightedness or incompetency, regardless of who is doing them.

Well that’s an impressively stupid argument

Then please, enlighten me with your font of wisdom.

[Loben III]

Lieing and or just plain wrong protesters with guns protest and make threatening bullshit anti sjw noises outside of house

whats wrong with armed protestors?

[Kowani]

well, no
progressives flipped a seat in Georgia, and Katie Porter managed to hold an R+2 district (or +1, i don't remember) in CA
it's not actually true that progressives can't take seats outside of their heartland, but until this election, that wasn't the campaign strategy of the progressive wing, so they didn't have any sort of infrastructure outside of the large cities.
add that to being cut off from DNC funds and being blacklisted from most consulting firms, and all of a sudden, the battle that progressives have to fight becomes a lot more unbalanced

Shes not progressive dude. She’s centrist who has said that the democrats need to listen to Trump voters and talk to them. She supports the balanced budget plan for christ sakes

ah yes, a centrist who supports Medicare for all, refuses corporate money, and wants paid family leave. (also, I can't find anything about her supporting a balanced budget, I'm gonna need a source there)
I'm not sure what your definition of "centrist" is, but unless GA has some extreme leftists that I don't know about, Katie Porter isn't one

[San Lumen]

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/52 ... -dying-gop

Juan Williams: Trump is feasting on a dying GOP.

I hope hes right. This version of the party needs to go away if they want to remain relevant.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Lieing and or just plain wrong protesters with guns protest and make threatening bullshit anti sjw noises outside of house

whats wrong with armed protestors?

If a bunch of angry people protested outside your house with guns while shouting threats beacuse you certified the election results for a person they didn't like, I dont think you would find it enjoyable.

[San Lumen]

Lieing and or just plain wrong protesters with guns protest and make threatening bullshit anti sjw noises outside of house

whats wrong with armed protestors?

Protesting outside the home of someone's whose job it is to certify election results you disagree with because you believe baseless accusations with no grounds in fact is not what should happen in a democracy.

[Thermodolia]

Shes not progressive dude. She’s centrist who has said that the democrats need to listen to Trump voters and talk to them. She supports the balanced budget plan for christ sakes

ah yes, a centrist who supports Medicare for all, refuses corporate money, and wants paid family leave. (also, I can't find anything about her supporting a balanced budget, I'm gonna need a source there)
I'm not sure what your definition of "centrist" is, but unless GA has some extreme leftists that I don't know about, Katie Porter isn't one

I’m talking about Carolyn Boudreaux not Katie Porter. Boudreaux isn’t for M4A, nor has she refused corporate money, she supports a balanced budget, and hasn’t supported paid family leave.

[Thermodolia]

Well that’s an impressively stupid argument

Then please, enlighten me with your font of wisdom.

Because nationalism, protecting our borders, or more hands off foreign policy aren’t inherently based on corruption and short sightedness

[Loben III]

whats wrong with armed protestors?

If a bunch of angry people protested outside your house with guns while shouting threats beacuse you certified the election results for a person they didn't like, I dont think you would find it enjoyable.

i asked what was wrong with armed protestors, not what they were doing.

[Necroghastia]

Then please, enlighten me with your font of wisdom.

Because nationalism,

lol

protecting our borders,

protecting our borders =/= giant fuckoff waste of time and resources wall

or more hands off foreign policy

That's... uh... a very simple way to put it.

aren’t inherently based on corruption and short sightedness

Sure, if you simplify things down to be so generic it's like you're writing a goddamn horoscope.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

If a bunch of angry people protested outside your house with guns while shouting threats beacuse you certified the election results for a person they didn't like, I dont think you would find it enjoyable.

i asked what was wrong with armed protestors, not what they were doing.

Shouting threats outside someones house while armed is less of a protest and more of a direct threat.

All of this beacuse Biden hurt there fee fees by winning the election.

[Kanadorika]

Trump’s foreign policy, nationalism, and border plan + Bernie’s healthcare plan, intelligence, and lack of corruption 2024

>Trump's foreign policy, nationalism, and border plan
>intelligence and lack of corruption
Pick one.

Trump's nationalism?

I could be mistaken, because as a nationalist I prefer leaders that don't actively harm the fabric of the United States for their own benefit.

Perhaps you're thinking of another term here, one with the word "global" in it.

Edit: quoted the wrong poster but you get the point

[Genivaria]

>Trump's foreign policy, nationalism, and border plan
>intelligence and lack of corruption
Pick one.

Trump's nationalism?

I could be mistaken, because as a nationalist I prefer leaders that don't actively harm the fabric of the United States for their own benefit.

Perhaps you're thinking of another term here, one with the word "global" in it.

Edit: quoted the wrong poster but you get the point

I mean for a so-called 'nationalist' Trump has been extremely disrespectful of our nations military and intelligence organizations.

[Kowani]

ah yes, a centrist who supports Medicare for all, refuses corporate money, and wants paid family leave. (also, I can't find anything about her supporting a balanced budget, I'm gonna need a source there)
I'm not sure what your definition of "centrist" is, but unless GA has some extreme leftists that I don't know about, Katie Porter isn't one

I’m talking about Carolyn Boudreaux not Katie Porter. Boudreaux isn’t for M4A, nor has she refused corporate money, she supports a balanced budget, and hasn’t supported paid family leave.

Well, you're just flat out wrong on corporate money. And we don't have to take her word for it, we can look at PAC contributions. Only 6K from ball business? Sounds like a nefarious corporate shill to me. (Probably has to do with that small business plan..)
You're right about medicare for all, but I can't find anything about her supporting a balanced budget amendment.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Trump's nationalism?

I could be mistaken, because as a nationalist I prefer leaders that don't actively harm the fabric of the United States for their own benefit.

Perhaps you're thinking of another term here, one with the word "global" in it.

Edit: quoted the wrong poster but you get the point

I mean for a so-called 'nationalist' Trump has been extremely disrespectful of our nations military and intelligence organizations.

To clarify, I’m talking about his rhetoric, his policies have of course not done that. It is one of the many things that infuriates me about the New Left is the tendency to hate America blindly, going as far as vandalizing war memorials and harassing veterans

[Rusozak]

If a bunch of angry people protested outside your house with guns while shouting threats beacuse you certified the election results for a person they didn't like, I dont think you would find it enjoyable.

i asked what was wrong with armed protestors, not what they were doing.

If I'm threatening to kill you and I have a gun in my hands is it not reasonable to assume an intent of violence?

[San Lumen]

i asked what was wrong with armed protestors, not what they were doing.

If I'm threatening to kill you and I have a gun in my hands is it not reasonable to assume an intent of violence?

Not to mention these people seem to believe the Secretary of State is part of a mass conspiracy to steal the election.

[Thermodolia]

I’m talking about Carolyn Boudreaux not Katie Porter. Boudreaux isn’t for M4A, nor has she refused corporate money, she supports a balanced budget, and hasn’t supported paid family leave.

Well, you're just flat out wrong on corporate money. And we don't have to take her word for it, we can look at PAC contributions. Only 6K from ball business? Sounds like a nefarious corporate shill to me. (Probably has to do with that small business plan..)
You're right about medicare for all, but I can't find anything about her supporting a balanced budget amendment.

Bourdeaux was the State Budget Director during the Great Recession. She supported a balanced budget then and still does, not the amendment though just the idea.

Even though she didn’t take corporate money, which tbh I thought she did, she’s still not a progressive so it’s wrong to say that progressives flipped a seat here in Georgia. Now that would be correct if Warnock wins though