2020 US General Election Thread XIII: Nocturne

[Jedi Council]

Even if Trump tries his coup, the times of a conservative military are over. They'd countercoup him and install Pelosi after arresting his entire cabinet.

The fact we are discussing even a remote possibility of an incumbent US president attempting to launch a coup, and the resulting military takeover, AND that said incumbent President still has popular support, just goes to show how incredibly fucked the United States is.

[Senkaku]

When the country is staring down the barrel of a constitutional crisis and potential civil war, that seems like the appropriate time for someone in a position of relative power like a congressional staffer or a member of Congress to make significant personal sacrifices for the greater good. This "we all have a boss!" shit only goes so far.

Easy thing to say when neither you nor I are faced with that decision, don’t you think?

...I mean, do you really think it's an unreasonable position? I agree that they shouldn't be expected to just throw away their careers and financial security at the drop of a hat, and that it's a big burden to ask anyone to shoulder, but I think we've reached a point where that's not what Lumen or I are suggesting they do. What is your threshold for when it would be appropriate for them to resign or speak out, then? And keep in mind, it's not like a politician or a political staffer goes into their career blindly, without any idea that they could face a crisis at some point where they'll have to choose between their values and their job.

[Jedi Council]

I'm inviting all of you, once again, to join me in Mexico should his half-assed coup attempt work. I can make barbacoa tacos and margaritas real well, so, tough to think about the disintegration of democratic norms when you're half-drunk and in a food coma.

Pfff, come to Canada if you want to be completely drunk the entire time.

[Cordel One]

I'm still glad I didn't support Hillay even in hindsight. I hate lesser evilism.

Then you are cursed to live in a where the people you think are even worse consistently win.

I suppose it allows you to continue to complain endlessly, which is a plus

I do enjoy doing that

, and remain super cool by hating both sides.

One side, both parties are on the side of the elite. You're starting to understad me though lol

[Geneviev]

That too. Thank goodness it's almost over.

I wish I shared your optimism. Biden being sworn in isn't going to fix how broken we are.

He won't fix everything, but Biden can at least save democracy.

[Zurkerx]

Hmm tempting but can you make some good arroz con frijoles? Oh, and I see Mexico's leader hasn't congratulated Biden yet so maybe no Mexico- Costa Rica I think would be better.

I cannot, but I can try.

Costa Rica, see that sounds nice, but my little car can't drive that far.

Then boi, how the hell are we all supposed to fit in your tiny car?? But can you at least make empanadas? Anyway, perhaps Canada would be better: great healthcare, maple syrup, and moose meat.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Easy thing to say when neither you nor I are faced with that decision, don’t you think?

...I mean, do you really think it's an unreasonable position? I agree that they shouldn't be expected to just throw away their careers and financial security at the drop of a hat, and that it's a big burden to ask anyone to shoulder, but I think we've reached a point where that's not what Lumen or I are suggesting they do. What is your threshold for when it would be appropriate for them to resign or speak out, then? And keep in mind, it's not like a politician or a political staffer goes into their career blindly, without any idea that they could face a crisis at some point where they'll have to choose between their values and their job.

Not unreasonable. I understand where you’re coming from. But I also understand that I can’t read minds nor know each and every Republican senator/congressperson/representative staffers’ situation.

And like I told Albrenia: if it meant my family didn’t face destitution, I’d bend over backwards and sideways. That’s my threshold.

[Major-Tom]

I'm inviting all of you, once again, to join me in Mexico should his half-assed coup attempt work. I can make barbacoa tacos and margaritas real well, so, tough to think about the disintegration of democratic norms when you're half-drunk and in a food coma.

Pfff, come to Canada if you want to be completely drunk the entire time.

Shit's expensive up there, I would know.

I cannot, but I can try.

Costa Rica, see that sounds nice, but my little car can't drive that far.

Then boi, how the hell are we all supposed to fit in your tiny car?? But can you at least make empanadas? Anyway, perhaps Canada would be better: great healthcare, maple syrup, and moose meat.

Trudeau won't let us in though.

[Albrenia]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

[Major-Tom]

...I mean, do you really think it's an unreasonable position? I agree that they shouldn't be expected to just throw away their careers and financial security at the drop of a hat, and that it's a big burden to ask anyone to shoulder, but I think we've reached a point where that's not what Lumen or I are suggesting they do. What is your threshold for when it would be appropriate for them to resign or speak out, then? And keep in mind, it's not like a politician or a political staffer goes into their career blindly, without any idea that they could face a crisis at some point where they'll have to choose between their values and their job.

Not unreasonable. I understand where you’re coming from. But I also understand that I can’t read minds nor know each and every Republican senator/congressperson/representative staffers’ situation.

And like I told Albrenia: if it meant my family didn’t face destitution, I’d bend over backwards and sideways. That’s my threshold.

Yeah, we can LARP all we want about being like "freedom fighters" or whatever, but at the end of the day, people have motives beyond just being evil for the fun of it.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Not unreasonable. I understand where you’re coming from. But I also understand that I can’t read minds nor know each and every Republican senator/congressperson/representative staffers’ situation.

And like I told Albrenia: if it meant my family didn’t face destitution, I’d bend over backwards and sideways. That’s my threshold.

Yeah, we can LARP all we want about being like "freedom fighters" or whatever, but at the end of the day, people have motives beyond just being evil for the fun of it.

Can’t add anything else.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Pfff, come to Canada if you want to be completely drunk the entire time.

Shit's expensive up there, I would know.

Then boi, how the hell are we all supposed to fit in your tiny car?? But can you at least make empanadas? Anyway, perhaps Canada would be better: great healthcare, maple syrup, and moose meat.

Trudeau won't let us in though.

We wish you could come up but Trump fucked over the US so badly in the COVID sense we have to bulid a wall on our border and make Trump pay for it

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Also for real I was against Trump from the very start and was backing Hillary as the lesser shitty option.

Why does no one ever listen to me

[Jedi Council]

Also for real I was against Trump from the very start and was backing Hillary as the lesser shitty option.

Why does no one ever listen to me

I was right there with ya bud

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

Stop calling Trump stupid. You’redoing yourself no favours by underestimating him. His buffoonish attitude hides a man who can clearly manipulate people in such a way that he stays on top of his empire at all times.

Sure, he’s no genius, and luck has been on his side, but he knows what he wants and has the power to get it.

[San Lumen]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

Pompeo was a moron to say what he did though.

[Cordel One]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

If he was smart he'd start by making his yes men sign contracts (with NDAs) stating that they listen to him as if he were the president even after he leaves office. With his wealth he could then fabricate treason by Biden. Then he'd have his yes men discretely appoint more yes men to replace as many Secret Service agents and other security as possibley. That would make it very difficult to get him out of the White House, and even if they did he would still have time to order people around as if he were President.

[Zurkerx]

More purges in Washington

This is not normal.

Nothing has been normal for these last 4 years. I fear this is becoming the norm. In all honesty, I begrudgingly voted for Biden but now every day that passes, I've come to think I didn't make a bad choice. Biden is far from perfect, but he'll at least try to rebuild, and not be a sore loser.

Then boi, how the hell are we all supposed to fit in your tiny car?? But can you at least make empanadas? Anyway, perhaps Canada would be better: great healthcare, maple syrup, and moose meat.

Trudeau won't let us in though.

No bueno

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

While some have said this could be a coup, I also argue that Trump is trying to do as much damage as possible so Biden can't accomplish anything. Then, when he runs in 2024 (that's if NY hasn't locked him up), he can claim that Biden destroyed our government and I, and only I, Donald J. Trump, can make America Great Again! It's an elaborate plot, especially when you have Don Jr. trying to take over the RNC so Trump can continue to influence the party even when he's gone. In all honesty, I feel Trump and some of his family will be in prison by the time that happens.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

If he was smart he'd start by making his yes men sign contracts (with NDAs) stating that they listen to him as if he were the president even after he leaves office. With his wealth he could then fabricate treason by Biden. Then he'd have his yes men appoint more yes men to replace as many Secret Service agents and other security as possible, but do it descretely. That would make it very diffivult to get him out of the White House, and even if they did he would still have time to order people around as if he were President.

Those contracts would not be enforcable though.

[San Lumen]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

Stop calling Trump stupid. You’redoing yourself no favours by underestimating him. His buffoonish attitude hides a man who can clearly manipulate people in such a way that he stays on top of his empire at all times.

Sure, he’s no genius, and luck has been on his side, but he knows what he wants and has the power to get it.

what he going to do? get the senate to recognize him as the legitimate president and refuse to let Biden take office? If his goal is to tear the country apart he's going to get it.

[Vassenor]

WaPo: White House tells federal agencies to proceed with plans for Trump’s February budget in latest sign of election defiance

...You lost. Just freaking accept it already.

[Nevertopia]

what a wild ride, some talking heads on Fox are saying America's going to transition to a second term for Trump now.

[Cordel One]

If he was smart he'd start by making his yes men sign contracts (with NDAs) stating that they listen to him as if he were the president even after he leaves office. With his wealth he could then fabricate treason by Biden. Then he'd have his yes men appoint more yes men to replace as many Secret Service agents and other security as possible, but do it descretely. That would make it very diffivult to get him out of the White House, and even if they did he would still have time to order people around as if he were President.

Those contracts would not be enforcable though.

They'd be loyalty oaths from his sycophants.

[San Lumen]

I'd be more worried about Trump succeeding in his little coup attempt if I thought he wasn't an idiot. Thankfully, I think he -is- an idiot, and the people around him who are intelligent enough to have a chance with a coup don't really want it to happen.

If he was smart he'd start by making his yes men sign contracts (with NDAs) stating that they listen to him as if he were the president even after he leaves office. With his wealth he could then fabricate treason by Biden. Then he'd have his yes men discretely appoint more yes men to replace as many Secret Service agents and other security as possibley. That would make it very difficult to get him out of the White House, and even if they did he would still have time to order people around as if he were President.

Those would not be enforceable contracts. The secret service is bound to protect the office of the president not the person. Biden come January 20th is the lawful president. the Secret service will no longer recognize Trump as President.

[Senkaku]

WaPo: White House tells federal agencies to proceed with plans for Trump’s February budget in latest sign of election defiance

...You lost. Just freaking accept it already.

Between this and the purge of DoD, that looks less and less likely. If they lose the remaining lawsuits, they can just claim the deep state rigged them or something.