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Postby Rusozak » Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:Why doesn't Donald Trump just say no? Like they say "you lost" and he just says "nah, I didn't."


Ego is a hell of a drug.
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Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:00 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:Why doesn't Donald Trump just say no? Like they say "you lost" and he just says "nah, I didn't."


Ego is a hell of a drug.


What are drugs?

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:03 pm

Valrifell wrote:San Marino voted in and then voted out a Communist government.

Just a fun fact that seemed relevant.

They also did the same with a fascist government too
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Postby Roswell 1947 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:06 pm

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Can you learn how to drive? You know alot of people stay up late at night watching the sky to make sure you don't accidentally Hindenberg their house considering how your buddy's vacation to New Mexico went.

Also maybe it's time to stop experimenting with people. Not only have you been doing it for decades as if you'll find some new shocking information, but you created the Trump administration. Stop it, get some help.


and seriously, whats with the butts? Like maybe first few times you were getting scientific information, but at this point its just a fetish


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Trump was our latest attempt in retrieving this consciousness, but instead ...we eliminated any conscience, if any, that was present. Quite a cock-up if I do say so myself.

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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:07 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-trump-georgia-election-senate-run-off-20201201-ueqwqvimvffvjicy6ssgqxj3py-story.html

Trump is calling on Georgia's governor to cancel the Senate runoffs. Given that they are required by Georgia law I don't see how Kemp has any authority to do that.

Kemp isn’t going to do anything for him after Trump tossed him under the bus
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:10 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:Yeah this is a strawman nation pretty sure


No, I'm just a proud conservative, a liberterian and a supporter of one of America's best presidents. I mean how can someone not like Donald Trump?

Because Trump is a blithering idiot who couldnt pour water out of boot if the instructions where on the heal
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:11 pm

Zurkerx wrote:“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have affected a different outcome in the election”: AG Barr says there's no evidence of fraud that would change the outcome of the Election.

Probably not going to change the minds of Trump Supporters but if one of Trump's own cronies can't find evidence of fraud, then it's pretty clear that the Election was not only free, but also fair with no widespread fraud.

That is bound to make Trump unhappy.

Well I guess we get a new AG.

And the possibility of a republican split grows
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Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:11 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
No, I'm just a proud conservative, a liberterian and a supporter of one of America's best presidents. I mean how can someone not like Donald Trump?

Because Trump is a blithering idiot who couldnt pour water out of boot if the instructions where on the heal


But he is a successful businessman. He told me as much. How could he be dumb if he's a businessman? Also if he was dumb why would he have a university in his name?

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:14 pm

Telconi wrote:
No State Here wrote:Poor choice of words. Washington was truly the right person, as far as I know, he was the only person in history to have had the chance to become a dictator and refused by his own accord


And therein lies your answer. Sometimes the person picked is the right person, and if you have little or nothing to lose, that sometimes becomes awfully compelling.

I don’t necessarily see why a dictatorship is a bad thing, or worse than the state of the country currently. Rwanda had an ethnic genocide not too long ago, and in under 20 years, Paul Kagame, through authoritarian policies and strict nationalistic education, managed to practically end all of the tribal infighting and create a uniquely Rwandan national identity and culture. The country is now Africa’s most prosperous and advanced, which is amazing considering its landlocked and small
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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:16 pm

No State Here wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:Yes

As long as its the right person, to be precise

This is what I never understood about fascists and tankies, how you know it’ll be the right person this time around? Everyone says they or the person they support is the right person to lead a revolution/coup, and said person always turns out to be very much not the right person.

It doesn’t have to be the "right person," as long as its even a marginal improvement over the status quo
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:16 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Telconi wrote:
And therein lies your answer. Sometimes the person picked is the right person, and if you have little or nothing to lose, that sometimes becomes awfully compelling.

I don’t necessarily see why a dictatorship is a bad thing, or worse than the state of the country currently. Rwanda had an ethnic genocide not too long ago, and in under 20 years, Paul Kagame, through authoritarian policies and strict nationalistic education, managed to practically end all of the tribal infighting and create a uniquely Rwandan national identity and culture. The country is now Africa’s most prosperous and advanced, which is amazing considering its landlocked and small

Democracy doesn’t work everywhere. Unfortunately with Americans super independence streak they’d never support an authoritarian dictatorship
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:16 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Because Trump is a blithering idiot who couldnt pour water out of boot if the instructions where on the heal


But he is a successful businessman. He told me as much. How could he be dumb if he's a businessman? Also if he was dumb why would he have a university in his name?


It was a scam and if he is such a great businessman how did he bankrupt a casino?

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Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:19 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
But he is a successful businessman. He told me as much. How could he be dumb if he's a businessman? Also if he was dumb why would he have a university in his name?


It was a scam and if he is such a great businessman how did he bankrupt a casino?


He didn't bankrupt the casino. The people he hired to run the casino did.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:19 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It was a scam and if he is such a great businessman how did he bankrupt a casino?


He didn't bankrupt the casino. The people he hired to run the casino did.


Since when does the person who owns a business not have a hand in its success or failure?

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Postby Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:I don’t necessarily see why a dictatorship is a bad thing, or worse than the state of the country currently. Rwanda had an ethnic genocide not too long ago, and in under 20 years, Paul Kagame, through authoritarian policies and strict nationalistic education, managed to practically end all of the tribal infighting and create a uniquely Rwandan national identity and culture. The country is now Africa’s most prosperous and advanced, which is amazing considering its landlocked and small

Democracy doesn’t work everywhere. Unfortunately with Americans super independence streak they’d never support an authoritarian dictatorship

Which is why America needs a unique brand of authoritarianism. As Oswald Mosley put it, "Each country needs to create its own form of fascism for that country." An American fascist or authoritarian state would have to do things other fascist countries wouldn’t, such as gun rights, absolute secularism, and such. It’s part of America’s culture, so it needs to be adopted by any ruling authoritarian government.
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Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
He didn't bankrupt the casino. The people he hired to run the casino did.


Since when does the person who owns a business not have a hand in its success or failure?


Donald trump cannot possibly bankrupt a business. He is too smart of a man.

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Postby RiderSyl » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:23 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
He didn't bankrupt the casino. The people he hired to run the casino did.


Since when does the person who owns a business not have a hand in its success or failure?

Remember, "Trump is not responsible for any of his failures" is one of the core tenets of Trumpism
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Postby Roswell 1947 » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:24 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Since when does the person who owns a business not have a hand in its success or failure?


Donald trump cannot possibly bankrupt a business. He is too smart of a man.


*chuckles*

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Postby Rusozak » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:26 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Since when does the person who owns a business not have a hand in its success or failure?


Donald trump cannot possibly bankrupt a business. He is too smart of a man.


Are you doing some satire thing right now? It doesn't translate well over text.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:26 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Democracy doesn’t work everywhere. Unfortunately with Americans super independence streak they’d never support an authoritarian dictatorship

Which is why America needs a unique brand of authoritarianism. As Oswald Mosley put it, "Each country needs to create its own form of fascism for that country." An American fascist or authoritarian state would have to do things other fascist countries wouldn’t, such as gun rights, absolute secularism, and such. It’s part of America’s culture, so it needs to be adopted by any ruling authoritarian government.

Right.

I think a sort of hidden authoritarianism would work in the US. The elections would be rigged and congress a rubber stamp but the average citizen wouldn’t notice much
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Postby Minarchatopia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:28 pm

Rusozak wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
Donald trump cannot possibly bankrupt a business. He is too smart of a man.


Are you doing some satire thing right now? It doesn't translate well over text.


If Trump isn't smart, how did he finish grade school?

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Postby Valrifell » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:28 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Are you doing some satire thing right now? It doesn't translate well over text.


If Trump isn't smart, how did he finish grade school?


f-fuck is this what being owned feels like?
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:32 pm

Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Democracy doesn’t work everywhere. Unfortunately with Americans super independence streak they’d never support an authoritarian dictatorship

Which is why America needs a unique brand of authoritarianism. As Oswald Mosley put it, "Each country needs to create its own form of fascism for that country." An American fascist or authoritarian state would have to do things other fascist countries wouldn’t, such as gun rights, absolute secularism, and such. It’s part of America’s culture, so it needs to be adopted by any ruling authoritarian government.


Lol no.
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:33 pm

Minarchatopia wrote:
Rusozak wrote:
Are you doing some satire thing right now? It doesn't translate well over text.


If Trump isn't smart, how did he finish grade school?

He didn’t finish grade school. Trump is so smart that he didn’t need to be taught anything
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Postby Reko Guire » Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:34 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Minarchatopia wrote:
If Trump isn't smart, how did he finish grade school?

He didn’t finish grade school. Trump is so smart that he didn’t need to be taught anything

I didn’t know that but it makes a lot of sense. He’s the guy that wrote art of the deal after all.

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