2020 US General Election Thread XIII: Nocturne

[Thermodolia]

I don't think you should be holding up people with "Stop the Steal" and other assorted signs as symbols of really anything other than the willingness of people to ignore reality.

They will fight Bernie's socialism... by overturning democracy. Using authoritarianism to fight potential authoritarianism. Sure, this is a working strategy.

A democratic presidency inevitably means that AOC and Sanders will be closer to the apex of power than otherwise. That’s why it’s so important to make sure every single vote is counted and certified. If Biden still wins, as is likely, then that’s fine, I don’t agree with the people who think legitimate election results should be overturned. But the important thing republicans have to do is vote in Georgia or the senate could go blue

And how exactly are the moderates in georgia going to bring about Sanderism? Also how is Biden, who’s said time and time again that socialism is crap, going to support a move towards socialism?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

So insignificant Bolsonaro claims he has contacts who’ve told him US election was a fraud

Bolsonaro's continued rule really makes me question my commitment to US non-intervention/respect of other nations' sovereignty in Latin America

Can't we just have one more coup for the road? I promise this time it's for a good cause!

Eh. Hopefully he’ll be tried by his own people one day. And that justice will prove to be both swift and unforgiving.

For those wanting additional sources on this claim:
Reuters
AP
Washington Post

[Kexholm Karelia]

So insignificant Bolsonaro claims he has contacts who’ve told him US election was a fraud

Bolsonaro's continued rule really makes me question my commitment to US non-intervention/respect of other nations' sovereignty in Latin America

Can't we just have one more coup for the road? I promise this time it's for a good cause!

How about the US not randomly coup democratically elected leaders?

[Cannot think of a name]

Bolsonaro's continued rule really makes me question my commitment to US non-intervention/respect of other nations' sovereignty in Latin America

Can't we just have one more coup for the road? I promise this time it's for a good cause!

How about the US not randomly coup democratically elected leaders?

We're trying to prevent that but you and your lot keep coming up with bullshit you 'don't know if true or not.'

[Thermodolia]

Oh what a load of bollocks. Most of the dictators you love to hold up as examples of "ebul soclaism" came about directly after or in the aftermath of a revolution. Meaning the former government was abolished along with any restrictions placed on it along with a power vacuum(which applies to all revolutions and is the reason why many end up with dictatorships.) If AOC or Bernie were elected the US government would still exist, along with all the restrictions applied to it. Meaning they could not become a dictator even if they tried.

Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales were both elected in free and fair elections, but they began the destruction of democracy as soon as they took office through a 3 step plan

1. Rile up populist rhetoric, threaten rioting if you don’t get your way, leading to the media being reluctant to criticize you
2. Consolidate control over the military and police force, along with the economy, by rooting out disloyal officials
3. Use the loyal forces now under your control to kill or imprison opposition, leading to control of the government, where you can then proceed to do things like changing the constitution at your will

The above is the socialist strongman’s playbook, and that’s the same thing that happened in Venezuela and was about to happen in Bolivia

Now who does that sound like? I could’ve sworn it sounds like a certain Trump.

Also there where no electoral issues in any of Morales elections. The election monitors from OAS goofed up and accidentally looked at the wrong data.

[New haven america]

Hugo Chavez and Evo Morales were both elected in free and fair elections, but they began the destruction of democracy as soon as they took office through a 3 step plan

1. Rile up populist rhetoric, threaten rioting if you don’t get your way, leading to the media being reluctant to criticize you
2. Consolidate control over the military and police force, along with the economy, by rooting out disloyal officials
3. Use the loyal forces now under your control to kill or imprison opposition, leading to control of the government, where you can then proceed to do things like changing the constitution at your will

The above is the socialist strongman’s playbook, and that’s the same thing that happened in Venezuela and was about to happen in Bolivia

Now who does that sound like? I could’ve sworn it sounds like a certain Trump.

Also there where no electoral issues in any of Morales elections. The election monitors from OAS goofed up and accidentally looked at the wrong data.

I don't think Aure understands the different between authoritarianism and socialism.

[Thermodolia]

Man, the news stream keeps playing the RNC chair of Georgia getting questioned by Georgia Republicans about why they should vote if the outcome is already decided.

So much for it being culture jammers on Parler. Georgia Republicans are on the hook. They're willing to go in person and challenge their own leadership with this, the stupidest of boycotts.

Well it’s not stupid if they give democrats the senate

[Xanthal]

Eh. Hopefully he’ll be tried by his own people one day. And that justice will prove to be both swift and unforgiving.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any exceptions, but as a rule I'm against imprisoning/killing politicians- even spectacularly bad ones- once they're out of power. It doesn't undo anything, it doesn't solve anything, it sets a terrible example and precedent for how to behave in victory toward your enemies, and it raises the stakes for hanging onto power for any future unpopular leaders.

[Thermodolia]

Now who does that sound like? I could’ve sworn it sounds like a certain Trump.

Also there where no electoral issues in any of Morales elections. The election monitors from OAS goofed up and accidentally looked at the wrong data.

I don't think Aure understands the different between authoritarianism and socialism.

More like he’s more than willing to accept authoritarianism just if it’s on his side.

[Senkaku]

Bolsonaro's continued rule really makes me question my commitment to US non-intervention/respect of other nations' sovereignty in Latin America

Can't we just have one more coup for the road? I promise this time it's for a good cause!

How about the US not randomly coup democratically elected leaders?

Do I need to put a fucking /s on everything now, is that really the state this forum is in

[Kexholm Karelia]

I don't think Aure understands the different between authoritarianism and socialism.

More like he’s more than willing to accept authoritarianism just if it’s on his side.

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

[New haven america]

More like he’s more than willing to accept authoritarianism just if it’s on his side.

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

Why do you hate universal healthcare?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

More like he’s more than willing to accept authoritarianism just if it’s on his side.

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

No, you're just confused.
You just define "socialism" as dictatorship, then throw people like Bernie into the category whether that makes sense or not.

You believe the boogieman is real, because losing Trump is making you a bit crazy. You're more to be pitied than despised.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Eh. Hopefully he’ll be tried by his own people one day. And that justice will prove to be both swift and unforgiving.

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any exceptions, but as a rule I'm against imprisoning/killing politicians- even spectacularly bad ones- once they're out of power. It doesn't undo anything, it doesn't solve anything, it sets a terrible example and precedent for how to behave in victory toward your enemies, and it raises the stakes for hanging onto power for any future unpopular leaders.

I disagree. If a politician acted in ways that endangered or brutalized the people, I’m very much pro the country prosecuting them to the extent of their laws. In this case, if Brazil had that drive, for perceived injustices perpetuated by an ex-president, it’s very much their right and prerogative to do as they see fit.

[Cannot think of a name]

Man, the news stream keeps playing the RNC chair of Georgia getting questioned by Georgia Republicans about why they should vote if the outcome is already decided.

So much for it being culture jammers on Parler. Georgia Republicans are on the hook. They're willing to go in person and challenge their own leadership with this, the stupidest of boycotts.

Well it’s not stupid if they give democrats the senate

For them it would be. I'm certainly not going to get in their way.

[Cannot think of a name]

More like he’s more than willing to accept authoritarianism just if it’s on his side.

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

So Donald Trump is a socialist?

[Kexholm Karelia]

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

No, you're just confused.
You just define "socialism" as dictatorship, then throw people like Bernie into the category whether that makes sense or not.

You believe the boogieman is real, because losing Trump is making you a bit crazy. You're more to be pitied than despised.

Huh? I’ve held the same views before the election

[New haven america]

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

So Donald Trump is a socialist?

Yes.

[Thermodolia]

No, you're just confused.
You just define "socialism" as dictatorship, then throw people like Bernie into the category whether that makes sense or not.

You believe the boogieman is real, because losing Trump is making you a bit crazy. You're more to be pitied than despised.

Huh? I’ve held the same views before the election

So why then do you support a socialist for president?

[Galloism]

So I finally learned why Trump's lawyers are an absolute clown car.

The original lawyers were threatened off the case with doxxing and encouragement to "make them famous" by.... the Lincoln Project.

I completely missed this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/lincoln ... es-2020-11

The Lincoln Project, a political action committee founded by a group of Republicans against Trump, tweeted the work phone numbers, email addresses, and photos of Ronald Hicks and Carolyn McGee to its 2.7 million followers. The tweet has since been deleted, but Business Insider has seen an archived copy.

"Make them famous," the group added.

Hicks and McGee, who work at Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, are challenging the result in Pennsylvania on behalf of the Trump campaign and calling for thousands of votes to be invalidated. As of Wednesday morning, President-elect Joe Biden was ahead by about 47,800 votes in the state, according to Decision Desk HQ.

That was on November 11th. On november 13th, they withdrew from the case.

This is not ok behavior. Targeting lawyers who represent their clients to the best of their ability for representing the wrong clients, and tweeting to "make them famous" is not to make them famous in a good way. It's an incitement to harm or kill them. I would be surprised Twitter let them back on the platform after that, but it's fucking Twitter.

So, it looks like the reason we're watching this clown car is that Trump has no other choice. Not because lawyers won't take the case, but because the incitements to violence against them for doing so is scaring off lawyers who have families or care for their own well being. This is not ok.

And, because fuck it here we are, Washington Post published an opinion which basically says it's totally ok to doxx and threaten lawyers for taking unpopular cases.

No one is going to believe this is legitimate, when the legal system is facing death threats for looking into the result. Congratulations - we fucking broke democracy.

Fuck.

[San Lumen]

Yet another Kraken failure: alleging voting irregularities in a county that doesn't exist.

Maybe it existed until yesterday, but then Democratic trickery sent it and its hundreds of thousands of pro-Trump votes to the mirror dimension? Further proof of their malevolent scheming!

They finally uncovered the secret. The fraud is done via counties we make disappear.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Bolsonaro's continued rule really makes me question my commitment to US non-intervention/respect of other nations' sovereignty in Latin America

Can't we just have one more coup for the road? I promise this time it's for a good cause!

How about the US not randomly coup democratically elected leaders?

Well I can agree with that.

Chavez was fairly elected at least once (1998) on a platform of constitutional reform and eliminating poverty (smell the socialism!) but his re-elections after that are suspect because the new constitution was radically different. A point in his favor is that the new constitution required an election immediately (2000) as a way of ratifying it, though some might see that as a trick.

Anyway, thanks US for not overthrowing the democratically elected socialist at the first opportunity. Let the Venezuelan people bear the consequences of their own choice. That's what democracy is about!

[Esalia]

More like he’s more than willing to accept authoritarianism just if it’s on his side.

Socialism and authoritarianism tend to go hand in hand 99% of the time

The bajillion non-socialist authoritarians would like a word with you.

[Thermodolia]

So I finally learned why Trump's lawyers are an absolute clown car.

The original lawyers were threatened off the case with doxxing and encouragement to "make them famous" by.... the Lincoln Project.

I completely missed this.

https://www.businessinsider.com/lincoln ... es-2020-11

The Lincoln Project, a political action committee founded by a group of Republicans against Trump, tweeted the work phone numbers, email addresses, and photos of Ronald Hicks and Carolyn McGee to its 2.7 million followers. The tweet has since been deleted, but Business Insider has seen an archived copy.

"Make them famous," the group added.

Hicks and McGee, who work at Porter Wright Morris & Arthur, are challenging the result in Pennsylvania on behalf of the Trump campaign and calling for thousands of votes to be invalidated. As of Wednesday morning, President-elect Joe Biden was ahead by about 47,800 votes in the state, according to Decision Desk HQ.

That was on November 11th. On november 13th, they withdrew from the case.

This is not ok behavior. Targeting lawyers who represent their clients to the best of their ability for representing the wrong clients, and tweeting to "make them famous" is not to make them famous in a good way. It's an incitement to harm or kill them. I would be surprised Twitter let them back on the platform after that, but it's fucking Twitter.

So, it looks like the reason we're watching this clown car is that Trump has no other choice. Not because lawyers won't take the case, but because the incitements to violence against them for doing so is scaring off lawyers who have families or care for their own well being. This is not ok.

And, because fuck it here we are, Washington Post published an opinion which basically says it's totally ok to doxx and threaten lawyers for taking unpopular cases.

No one is going to believe this is legitimate, when the legal system is facing death threats for looking into the result. Congratulations - we fucking broke democracy.

Fuck.

The Lincoln Project is utter trash? Who could have guessed?!

[Nobel Hobos 2]

No, you're just confused.
You just define "socialism" as dictatorship, then throw people like Bernie into the category whether that makes sense or not.

You believe the boogieman is real, because losing Trump is making you a bit crazy. You're more to be pitied than despised.

Huh? I’ve held the same views before the election

As I said before, apparently you can see the future.

I don't think your definition of "socialism" really was as broad and irrational. It's growing, like a boogieman.