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Postby Albrenia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:32 pm

I'm fairly certain Trump doesn't have the balls to try to squat in the White House after Jan 20th.

All these other methods of resisting don't put him in harm's way. This would.
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Postby Jebslund » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:33 pm


I'm sorry... They're calling it "Sharpiegate"?
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Postby Jerzylvania » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:34 pm

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Okay Trumps legal team have to be doing this shit on purpose. There is no fucking way they can be this incompetent.


Why not? If Trump can lose money while owning casinos, hmm , hmm?
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Postby Maineiacs » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:34 pm

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Eukaryotic Cells wrote:She definitely came off as a carpetbagger with more money than sense.

"Ay-yup, Miz Collins is empty-headed enough to believe Mitch McConnell when he said he'd protect pre-existin' conditions or when she said she thought the impeachment had taught Donald Trump a lesson, but at least she's from heah."



This is nearly verbatim what I actually heard from more than one person up here (ME-2).
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Postby Andsed » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:35 pm


Of course they are. The Trump campaign is crawling on the ground to try and trip over the bar at this point.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:36 pm

Andsed wrote:

Okay Trumps legal team have to be doing this shit on purpose. There is no fucking way they can be this incompetent.

They think they'll get away with it. It's a level of delusion I can't wrap my mind around, I have to admit. Sidney Powell, one of the leading lights of Team Trump ...
Wikipedia wrote:Powell alleged during a November 19 press conference that a communist plot had been engineered by Venezuela, Cuba, China, Hugo Chavez, George Soros and the Clinton Foundation to rig the election.[28][29] She also alleged that Dominion "can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump and flip them to President Biden."[30] She also repeated an allegation made by OANN, congressman Louis Gohmert and others that accurate voting results had been transmitted to the German office of the Spanish firm Scytl, where they were tabulated to reveal a landslide victory for Trump, and that a company server had been seized in a raid by the United States military.[28] Powell suggested that candidates "paid to have the system rigged to work for them."[31]

I don't think she even blushed.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:39 pm

Albrenia wrote:I'm fairly certain Trump doesn't have the balls to try to squat in the White House after Jan 20th.

All these other methods of resisting don't put him in harm's way. This would.


Pretty sure he'll leave before but what will he tell his base? He can't be all 'ok, seems I was wrong', but leaving while saying it was rigged won't sit well either, why wouldn't he stay if he believed that to be the case.

He needs a really good lawyer to come up with an excuse..

..*looks at his lawyers*

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Postby Andsed » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:39 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Andsed wrote:Okay Trumps legal team have to be doing this shit on purpose. There is no fucking way they can be this incompetent.

They think they'll get away with it. It's a level of delusion I can't wrap my mind around, I have to admit. Sidney Powell, one of the leading lights of Team Trump ...
Wikipedia wrote:Powell alleged during a November 19 press conference that a communist plot had been engineered by Venezuela, Cuba, China, Hugo Chavez, George Soros and the Clinton Foundation to rig the election.[28][29] She also alleged that Dominion "can set and run an algorithm that probably ran all over the country to take a certain percentage of votes from President Trump and flip them to President Biden."[30] She also repeated an allegation made by OANN, congressman Louis Gohmert and others that accurate voting results had been transmitted to the German office of the Spanish firm Scytl, where they were tabulated to reveal a landslide victory for Trump, and that a company server had been seized in a raid by the United States military.[28] Powell suggested that candidates "paid to have the system rigged to work for them."[31]

I don't think she even blushed.

I honestly do not have words to describe how this makes me feel. All I know that it is a mix of anger, annoyance, sadness, and laughter.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:40 pm

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Cannot think of a name wrote:He seems to be going for the scenario that 538 laid out months ago of trying to sew enough doubt and drag out certification so he can make the case that he can either compel them to not select electors or to have the legislature select their own to either deny anyone 270 in the hopes that the House will appoint him (since states only get one vote) or just flip the count artificially.

The problem is, he hasn’t sewed doubt in the process. Aside from his base, his efforts have started to make everyone else feel more sure about the results and making his efforts seem even crazier.

With all the snark about Nate Silver, I have to say actually reading that website has prepped me pretty well for all the things that have come to pass.


Sure, but he's pretty much exhausted all his options, so it's really getting down to the question of 'but how will he leave?'

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Postby Neanderthaland » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:41 pm


Nixon: "Tell me traveler from the future, what is my greatest legacy? Did I bring peace with honor?

"... so there's this "gate" thing that people do compulsively."
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:41 pm

Meanwhile.. Happy Birthday Joe.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:43 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Sure, but he's pretty much exhausted all his options, so it's really getting down to the question of 'but how will he leave?'

Rage tweeting from Mar a Lago and operating a ‘shadow government’ via social media.

Perhaps. I wouldn't be surprised. Trump not attending the inauguration ceremony will relieve Joe Biden of the sticky situation of giving the speech he should give in front of Donald Trump.

Heh. You know the inauguration is going to be a non-gathering, right? Trump will go crazy comparing his crowd size to the crowd Biden won't have.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:43 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Jebslund wrote:I'm sorry... They're calling it "Sharpiegate"?

Nixon: "Tell me traveler from the future, what is my greatest legacy? Did I bring peace with honor?

"... so there's this "gate" thing that people do compulsively."


Technically this is Sharpiegate II - this time it's personal.

Sharpiegate I was when he extended the reach of a cyclone using a Sharpie to make up for some comment he'd previously made. Honestly the entire administration has been a joke if it didn't have such ramifications.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:43 pm

Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile.. Happy Birthday Joe.

Oh yeah, right. Dang, I didn't get him anything. Well, except for a vote.
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Postby Jebslund » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:47 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Nixon: "Tell me traveler from the future, what is my greatest legacy? Did I bring peace with honor?

"... so there's this "gate" thing that people do compulsively."


Technically this is Sharpiegate II - this time it's personal.

Sharpiegate I was when he extended the reach of a cyclone using a Sharpie to make up for some comment he'd previously made. Honestly the entire administration has been a joke if it didn't have such ramifications.

What?
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:48 pm

Jebslund wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Technically this is Sharpiegate II - this time it's personal.

Sharpiegate I was when he extended the reach of a cyclone using a Sharpie to make up for some comment he'd previously made. Honestly the entire administration has been a joke if it didn't have such ramifications.

What?


Probably best you don't go looking this up.
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Postby Jebslund » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Jebslund wrote:What?


Probably best you don't go looking this up.

STG... I'm living in a fucking parody.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 20, 2020 6:57 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5269 ... ld-show-it

Yet another breaks with Trump. House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY): If Trump has evidence for election claims he should show it.
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:17 pm

San Lumen wrote:https://thehill.com/homenews/house/526986-liz-cheney-if-trump-has-evidence-for-election-claims-he-should-show-it

Yet another breaks with Trump. House Republican Conference Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY): If Trump has evidence for election claims he should show it.

"Noooooo! It's a secret!"

The late Daniel Patrick Moynahan once said, "Secrecy is for losers. For people who do not know how important the information really is."

I Trump's people have actual, real evidence, they should present it. That's the only way to get what they want.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:18 pm

https://www.timesunion.com/news/article ... 743539.php

Democrats are now one seat shy of a supermajority in the New York State Senate.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:23 pm

Jebslund wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Technically this is Sharpiegate II - this time it's personal.

Sharpiegate I was when he extended the reach of a cyclone using a Sharpie to make up for some comment he'd previously made. Honestly the entire administration has been a joke if it didn't have such ramifications.

What?


Trump used a Black Sharpie. That means final definitive estimate. If he'd just used the Yellow Sharpie, or Pink, it would be more clear that he was making an hypothesis.

You have to give him a break. He may be a stable genius but he never claimed to be a scientist. :p
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:25 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Jebslund wrote:What?


Trump used a Black Sharpie. That means final definitive estimate. If he'd just used the Yellow Sharpie, or Pink, it would be more clear that he was making an hypothesis.

You have to give him a break. He may be a stable genius but he never claimed to be a scientist. :p

He does have a tremendous brain, though. And anyway, he said back in October that scientists are idiots who would plunge the country into a depression.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:26 pm

https://twitter.com/MaricopaVote/status ... 15075?s=20

Maricopa county has certified their results which means Biden has officially won Arizona.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:27 pm

Neanderthaland wrote:
Jebslund wrote:I'm sorry... They're calling it "Sharpiegate"?

Nixon: "Tell me traveler from the future, what is my greatest legacy? Did I bring peace with honor?

"... so there's this "gate" thing that people do compulsively."


Yet the Watergate Hotel did not go out of business. It has in fact extended and retains "Watergate" in its name.

I guess changing the name to "The Foggy Bottom Complex" got a thumbs down from the board.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:53 pm

Trump is being sued by a voting rights group, who are accusing him of violating the Voting Rights Act by trying to undermine the election results in Michigan
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