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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:51 pm

A national popular vote would be a welcome simplification to this arcane system.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:54 pm

Absolutely remarkable..blatantly and flagrantly looking to steal the election and actually having a chance, however small, of succeeding. I can only imagine what America would be saying if this was occurring anywhere other than America.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:54 pm

Bombadil wrote:Absolutely remarkable..blatantly and flagrantly looking to steal the election and actually having a chance, however small, of succeeding. I can only imagine what America would be saying if this was occurring anywhere other than America.


I think we should be liberated and given democracy, personally.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:55 pm

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Honestly I don't see American Democracy surviving at this point if the GOP gain in any way from this behaviour. Once this new low is delved and found to be profitable, the Democrats will jump in straight after.

Any American who gives a shit about their country and not just short-term political wins should be appalled.


The Dems have their fair share of craven opportunists, but even in the unlikely event they wanted to try a stunt like this, they'll never have the Judges, the State Legs, the gerrymandering in their favor etc etc etc. In other words, I don't see them pulling a stunt like this, one, because as shitty as the Dems are, since the 1980s, it's usually been the GOP taking the chainsaw to democratic norms, and two, because they wouldn't have the power to.

I wonder how many pills these fucking dipshit lawyers, electors, and workers on Trump's team have to take just to sleep at night.

No judge is going to approve of a stunt like this. It’s as if Republicans want to tear the country apart. I can’t see any other reason for their despicable behavior.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
The Dems have their fair share of craven opportunists, but even in the unlikely event they wanted to try a stunt like this, they'll never have the Judges, the State Legs, the gerrymandering in their favor etc etc etc. In other words, I don't see them pulling a stunt like this, one, because as shitty as the Dems are, since the 1980s, it's usually been the GOP taking the chainsaw to democratic norms, and two, because they wouldn't have the power to.

I wonder how many pills these fucking dipshit lawyers, electors, and workers on Trump's team have to take just to sleep at night.

No judge is going to approve of a stunt like this. It’s as if Republicans want to tear the country apart. I can’t see any other reason for their despicable behavior.


Y'know, judges can be partisan hacks too. I doubt this'll succeed, but don't underestimate the cravenness of our legal system.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 4:57 pm

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San Lumen wrote:No judge is going to approve of a stunt like this. It’s as if Republicans want to tear the country apart. I can’t see any other reason for their despicable behavior.


Y'know, judges can be partisan hacks too. I doubt this'll succeed, but don't underestimate the cravenness of our legal system.

True but if they want to tear the country apart that’s what will happen if they ruled in favor of this. The 1960s would look like nothing.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:00 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Y'know, judges can be partisan hacks too. I doubt this'll succeed, but don't underestimate the cravenness of our legal system.

True but if they want to tear the country apart that’s what will happen if they ruled in favor of this. The 1960s would look like nothing.


I know. We'll wait and see, y'know, if the country gets torn apart, it gets torn apart. In that unlikely scenario, you either step up, pick a side and fight, or say/do nothing.

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Postby Dominioan » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:01 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Absolutely remarkable..blatantly and flagrantly looking to steal the election and actually having a chance, however small, of succeeding. I can only imagine what America would be saying if this was occurring anywhere other than America.


I think we should be liberated and given democracy, personally.

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm

Dominioan wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
I think we should be liberated and given democracy, personally.

Sorry, not enough oil to qualify


But what if I told you, we have....Texas.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:True but if they want to tear the country apart that’s what will happen if they ruled in favor of this. The 1960s would look like nothing.


I know. We'll wait and see, y'know, if the country gets torn apart, it gets torn apart. In that unlikely scenario, you either step up, pick a side and fight, or say/do nothing.

People as brazen as this have no business serving of boards of elections and ought to resign their posts.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:02 pm

It's like..

I'm going to rob your bank and here's how I'm going to do it
Ha, ok, that'll never work
I'm now robbing your bank as planned
Good luck
I've now robbed your bank and am leaving with all the money
Wait.. how the fuck did that happen?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:04 pm

So the GOP is trying to steal the election. Not surprising.
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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:05 pm

Bombadil wrote:It's like..

I'm going to rob your bank and here's how I'm going to do it
Ha, ok, that'll never work
I'm now robbing your bank as planned
Good luck
I've now robbed your bank and am leaving with all the money
Wait.. how the fuck did that happen?


Not really, as scary as this looks, it's still relatively unlikely. More like they're saying they're gonna try to rob the bank with a collection of sporks and nerf guns. No chance it would work, except half the people in the bank are rooting for the robbers. It complicates things.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:So the GOP is trying to steal the election. Not surprising.

They really want to break the republic.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:06 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:So the GOP is trying to steal the election. Not surprising.

They really want to break the republic.


So it looks like. I hope the courts shaft them.
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:06 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
San Lumen wrote:True but if they want to tear the country apart that’s what will happen if they ruled in favor of this. The 1960s would look like nothing.


I know. We'll wait and see, y'know, if the country gets torn apart, it gets torn apart. In that unlikely scenario, you either step up, pick a side and fight, or say/do nothing.

"The collapse of the United States arguably began during the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner, when President Obama publicly humiliated Donald Trump for his birther conspiracy theories."

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Postby Major-Tom » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:07 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:
Major-Tom wrote:
I know. We'll wait and see, y'know, if the country gets torn apart, it gets torn apart. In that unlikely scenario, you either step up, pick a side and fight, or say/do nothing.

"The collapse of the United States arguably began during the 2011 White House Correspondents Dinner, when President Obama publicly humiliated Donald Trump for his birther conspiracy theories."


Thanks, Obama.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:09 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:They really want to break the republic.


So it looks like. I hope the courts shaft them.

Hopefully they don’t ignore the judge.

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Postby Bombadil » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:09 pm

Major-Tom wrote:
Bombadil wrote:It's like..

I'm going to rob your bank and here's how I'm going to do it
Ha, ok, that'll never work
I'm now robbing your bank as planned
Good luck
I've now robbed your bank and am leaving with all the money
Wait.. how the fuck did that happen?


Not really, as scary as this looks, it's still relatively unlikely. More like they're saying they're gonna try to rob the bank with a collection of sporks and nerf guns. No chance it would work, except half the people in the bank are rooting for the robbers. It complicates things.


No, totally, the plan is to walk in with water pistols, get the keys to the safe, go in and take the money. It's a thoroughly ridiculous plan. The problem is it's pretty clear the entire Republican party is willing to go along with it, and they seem to have the keys to the safe.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
So it looks like. I hope the courts shaft them.

Hopefully they don’t ignore the judge.


Can they though?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:11 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Hopefully they don’t ignore the judge.


Can they though?

Technically but they almost certainly be held in contempt. I don’t know what would happen though as I’ve never heard of a board of elections refusing to certify a result.

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Postby Virgolia » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:12 pm


Can they do either of these? I thought that in the case fraud was found there would be a recount, or another election, rather than just throwing out all the ballots.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:13 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Can they though?

Technically but they almost certainly be held in contempt. I don’t know what would happen though as I’ve never heard of a board of elections refusing to certify a result.


Well, MI is deadlocked and those who cover elections have never seen that happen in over 20 years.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Virgolia wrote:

Can they do either of these? I thought that in the case fraud was found there would be a recount, or another election, rather than just throwing out all the ballots.

No. A judge won’t go along with that. There is no evidence of fraud.

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Technically but they almost certainly be held in contempt. I don’t know what would happen though as I’ve never heard of a board of elections refusing to certify a result.


Well, MI is deadlocked and those who cover elections have never seen that happen in over 20 years.


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