Best Priminster of the UK

[Novograd IV]

What is a 'Priminster'???

The overseer of Britain's strategic Primness reserves.

he's refering to the fact that Priminister is a typo and is not techincally an office
good one.

[Post-Unity Terra]

What is a 'Priminster'???

The overseer of Britain's strategic Primness reserves.

I thought it had something to do with churches.

[Self--Esteem]

Margaret Thatcher gets more votes for best PM than Clement 'National Health Service' Attlee? Goddamnit.

Few thought he was even a starter.
There were many who thought themselves smarter.
But he finished PM,
CH and OM,
An earl and a Knight of the Garter.

<3 Mr A.

You realize that Attlee fucked up the whole economy, right? He led the country into years of depression. I heard about people stating that post-war Britain was less decent than during all the war years. Central planning destroyed the economy.

I would vote Attlee 2nd worst PM, only Gordon Brown could top him.

[Marcurix]

I always spell it incorrectly. So annoying

Why Margaret Thatcher!?
She was probably the best prime minister in the last half century

she was conservative: instafail.

prime-minister...

you go ahead and do better than Thatcher, or Churchill for that matter. Then you can say a conservative is an instafail

[Post-Unity Terra]

Margaret Thatcher gets more votes for best PM than Clement 'National Health Service' Attlee? Goddamnit.

Few thought he was even a starter.
There were many who thought themselves smarter.
But he finished PM,
CH and OM,
An earl and a Knight of the Garter.

<3 Mr A.

You realize that Attlee fucked up the whole economy, right? He led the country into years of depression. I heard about people stating that post-war Britain was less decent than during all the war years. Central planning destroyed the economy.

I would vote Attlee 2nd worst PM, only Gordon Brown could top him.

Staggering. Just staggering. Blaming the state of the economy on Attlee is... Well, staggering. I for one would blame Churchill if I was going to blame anyone. Of course, I wouldn't actually blame anyone because there was that whole 'war' thing that pretty much fucked us over well into the 50's completely independent of any economic policies.

EDIT: it couldn't possibly his (as the US would have it, not myself personally) crazy left-wing tendencies that force you to ignore all the good he did, could it?

[Cabra West]

In the night before the general Election I thought it might be appropriate to do a poll on the best priminister of the UK. Who do you think?

Atlee, for getting the NHS up and running.

[Call to power]

for the record I think cracked did the best argument as to why Churchill was a very very naughty man

Atlee, for getting the NHS up and running.

this

Thatcher was a vile woman, who royally fucked over the country, decimated our once great industries, took a massive shit on the rights of the unions and working people, relentlessly attacked civil and human rights to pursue her intolerant agenda and left us with social problems that will take decades to sort out.

In answer to the question though, for me it was either Churchill (for rallying the nation to its feet even when defeat at the might of fascist Germany seemed so certain) or Atlee. On balance Atlee edges it, for building the welfare state and more importantly even than that, introduced the NHS.

I lol'd and I'd like to know how allowing people to buy their council houses is a problem

[Self--Esteem]

Margaret Thatcher gets more votes for best PM than Clement 'National Health Service' Attlee? Goddamnit.

Few thought he was even a starter.
There were many who thought themselves smarter.
But he finished PM,
CH and OM,
An earl and a Knight of the Garter.

<3 Mr A.

You realize that Attlee fucked up the whole economy, right? He led the country into years of depression. I heard about people stating that post-war Britain was less decent than during all the war years. Central planning destroyed the economy.

I would vote Attlee 2nd worst PM, only Gordon Brown could top him.

Staggering. Just staggering. Blaming the state of the economy on Attlee is... Well, staggering. I for one would blame Churchill if I was going to blame anyone. Of course, I wouldn't actually blame anyone because there was that whole 'war' thing that pretty much fucked us over well into the 50's completely independent of any economic policies.

EDIT: it couldn't possibly his (as the US would have it, not myself personally) crazy left-wing tendencies that force you to ignore all the good he did, could it?

I do not care for the good he did, as the "good" he did was the reason the whole country was at it's low. His policies were the main reason for all the misfortune. What good is national health care if you are starving over rationalized food? If it was not for Margaret Thatcher, F.A. Hayek and Anthony Fisher and his Atlas Economic Research Foundation, as well as the Institute of Economic Affairs, Britain would still be knee deep in a planned economy.

[Cosmopoles]

I've always had a soft spot for Gladstone.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I do not care for the good he did, as the "good" he did was the reason the whole country was at it's low. His policies were the main reason for all the misfortune. What good is national health care if you are starving over rationalized food? If it was not for Margaret Thatcher, F.A. Hayek and Anthony Fisher and his Atlas Economic Research Foundation, as well as the Institute of Economic Affairs, Britain would still be knee deep in a planned economy.

Firstly, rationing (as in rationed) was part of the effort to claw our way out of horrendous wartime debt. Secondly, Attlee successfully turned a wartime economy to peace, kicked unemployment squarely in the nuts, handled the problems of demobilising the army and started Britain's atom bomb program. As far as the rest of your post goes, I can't even tell what the fuck is going on there. Veiled accusations of socialism don't work outside the US.

[Marcurix]

Thatcher was a vile woman, who royally fucked over the country, decimated our once great industries, took a massive shit on the rights of the unions and working people, relentlessly attacked civil and human rights to pursue her intolerant agenda and left us with social problems that will take decades to sort out.

Yet you forget that said Unions, which at this point in time most people where sick of, where making the country ungovernable. Strikes, strikes and more strikes nearly every week. Said industries actually improved (with the exception of the railway, they simply employed less people, and grew to become less in the GDP as services took over, you know like what happened in every other western country. It’s called de-industrialisation look it up.

relentlessly attacked civil and human rights to pursue her intolerant agenda

Source?

[Self--Esteem]

I do not care for the good he did, as the "good" he did was the reason the whole country was at it's low. His policies were the main reason for all the misfortune. What good is national health care if you are starving over rationalized food? If it was not for Margaret Thatcher, F.A. Hayek and Anthony Fisher and his Atlas Economic Research Foundation, as well as the Institute of Economic Affairs, Britain would still be knee deep in a planned economy.

Firstly, rationing (as in rationed) was part of the effort to claw our way out of horrendous wartime debt. Secondly, Attlee successfully turned a wartime economy to peace, kicked unemployment squarely in the nuts, handled the problems of demobilising the army and started Britain's atom bomb program. As far as the rest of your post goes, I can't even tell what the fuck is going on there. Veiled accusations of socialism don't work outside the US.

You obviously need to inform yourself about post-war Britain. How is stating the fact that the economy was a planned one a "veiled accusation of socialism"?

True. Unemployment never rose above 3%, but again, that's worth nothing with all the rationing going on. There is a reason Labour was unpopular in the 1960s, 1970s and most of the 1980s. Besides, nationalizing key industry has never been a good thing.


A 2 part documentary on the topic:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTzRunrCXk8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTYUAal1 ... re=related

[Nadkor]

I'm just going to copy and paste my posts from the previous thread on this topic because, well, I can't be bothered retyping:

Wilson? You've gotta be kidding me. Admirable for the general liberalisation of criminal law, I suppose (even though these were primarily the achievements of Roy Jenkins). Did a decent job in holding everything together, but seriously screwed with the economy by, essentially, ignoring the problem until it went away (it didn't). He brought in the comprehensive school system, for god's sake. Although I suppose he did try to take us into the EC.

For all those saying Attlee, he wouldn't get on the list, for me; sure, you've got to respect his achievements vis a vis the welfare state, and his general handing of a difficult post-war economic situation, but he totally fucked up decolonisation in the Indian subcontinent. OK, so he's generally respected for his management skills and for running an effective administration, but people forget that he got kicked out in 1951 because he couldn't keep his party together, let alone the country. Arguably Herbert Morrison was (as with Roy Jenkins with Wilson, and Brown with Blair) more influential in the grand scheme of things than Attlee.

Macmillan equally fucked with the economy, "a little local difficulty" my arse. He did handle decolonisation of Africa well, though, for the most part.

Churchill did a good job as a wartime leader, but as a Prime Minister he was woeful. That, and his politics were truly repulsive at times.

Thatcher...fucking hell. Don't get me started on that.

...

I'm not arguing in favour of Major being regarded as one of the best PMs ever, although he did a quite admirable job in somehow maintaining what he could of his majority post-1992, but answer me this without looking it up: which PM (and in this ignore the constituency system and take it as meaning an aggregate of all votes in all constituencies in a particular election) got the greatest number of votes in one election?

...

The problem for Chamberlain is that the victors write the history, and the victor was Churchill. For Chamberlain to have acted in any other way would have been madness, and would most likely have led to the total destruction of the UK. By delaying a war which he must surely have known was inevitable until Britain was in some way equipped to fight it he ensured that we didn't get annihilated. If Britain had been occupied by Germany, there would have been no launch pad for a US invasion of Europe, and everything would look a little different.

Chamberlain acted as he did because he simply had to; to have acted any other way at the time would have been our downfall. Unfortunately history has not been kind to poor Neville. If any PM deserves our contempt for appeasement it's Baldwin.

[Post-Unity Terra]

I do not care for the good he did, as the "good" he did was the reason the whole country was at it's low. His policies were the main reason for all the misfortune. What good is national health care if you are starving over rationalized food? If it was not for Margaret Thatcher, F.A. Hayek and Anthony Fisher and his Atlas Economic Research Foundation, as well as the Institute of Economic Affairs, Britain would still be knee deep in a planned economy.

Firstly, rationing (as in rationed) was part of the effort to claw our way out of horrendous wartime debt. Secondly, Attlee successfully turned a wartime economy to peace, kicked unemployment squarely in the nuts, handled the problems of demobilising the army and started Britain's atom bomb program. As far as the rest of your post goes, I can't even tell what the fuck is going on there. Veiled accusations of socialism don't work outside the US.

You obviously need to inform yourself about post-war Britain. How is stating the fact that the economy was a planned one a "veiled accusation of socialism"?

True. Unemployment never rose above 3%, but again, that's worth nothing with all the rationing going on. There is a reason Labour was unpopular in the 1960s, 1970s and most of the 1980s. Besides, nationalizing key industry has never been a good thing.

You keep coming back to rationing. Rationing was necessary. Unlike certain allies (naming no names), Britain had just been on the receiving end of a multi-year industrial smacking and wasn't in the position of being the only Western nation with significant civilian production capacity.

[Farnhamia]

William Pitt the Younger.

[The blessed Chris]

In the night before the general Election I thought it might be appropriate to do a poll on the best priminister of the UK. Who do you think?

Atlee, for getting the NHS up and running.

Nothing more than a sixty year mistake, to paraphrase Mr. Hannan. An over-bureaucratised, distended, politically unreformable fiscal blackhole, which provides risible medical coverage in relation to its budget.

[Tomland Union]

churchill

[Dungeyland]

1. Margaret Thatcher
2. Winston Churchill
3. Benjamin Disraeli
4. David Cameron (ahaha, its gonna happen )

[Volnotov]

I don't see what people see in Churchill besides an alcoholic warmongering tyrant.

But after all, if you have to choose the lesser of all evils - I choose Churchill.

[Dungeyland]

Thatcher was a vile woman, who royally fucked over the country, decimated our once great industries, took a massive shit on the rights of the unions and working people, relentlessly attacked civil and human rights to pursue her intolerant agenda and left us with social problems that will take decades to sort out.

Communist Fuck-Monkey

[The blessed Chris]

I'm just going to copy and paste my posts from the previous thread on this topic because, well, I can't be bothered retyping:

Wilson? You've gotta be kidding me. Admirable for the general liberalisation of criminal law, I suppose (even though these were primarily the achievements of Roy Jenkins). Did a decent job in holding everything together, but seriously screwed with the economy by, essentially, ignoring the problem until it went away (it didn't). He brought in the comprehensive school system, for god's sake. Although I suppose he did try to take us into the EC.

For all those saying Attlee, he wouldn't get on the list, for me; sure, you've got to respect his achievements vis a vis the welfare state, and his general handing of a difficult post-war economic situation, but he totally fucked up decolonisation in the Indian subcontinent. OK, so he's generally respected for his management skills and for running an effective administration, but people forget that he got kicked out in 1951 because he couldn't keep his party together, let alone the country. Arguably Herbert Morrison was (as with Roy Jenkins with Wilson, and Brown with Blair) more influential in the grand scheme of things than Attlee.

Macmillan equally fucked with the economy, "a little local difficulty" my arse. He did handle decolonisation of Africa well, though, for the most part.

Churchill did a good job as a wartime leader, but as a Prime Minister he was woeful. That, and his politics were truly repulsive at times.

Thatcher...fucking hell. Don't get me started on that.

...

I'm not arguing in favour of Major being regarded as one of the best PMs ever, although he did a quite admirable job in somehow maintaining what he could of his majority post-1992, but answer me this without looking it up: which PM (and in this ignore the constituency system and take it as meaning an aggregate of all votes in all constituencies in a particular election) got the greatest number of votes in one election?

...

The problem for Chamberlain is that the victors write the history, and the victor was Churchill. For Chamberlain to have acted in any other way would have been madness, and would most likely have led to the total destruction of the UK. By delaying a war which he must surely have known was inevitable until Britain was in some way equipped to fight it he ensured that we didn't get annihilated. If Britain had been occupied by Germany, there would have been no launch pad for a US invasion of Europe, and everything would look a little different.

Chamberlain acted as he did because he simply had to; to have acted any other way at the time would have been our downfall. Unfortunately history has not been kind to poor Neville. If any PM deserves our contempt for appeasement it's Baldwin.

No. Just no. Jenkins, smug socialist that he was, publically congratulated himself on forcing his liberalisation through against sustained and widespread public opposition; there never was a popular appetite to abolish the death penalty, hence why clamours for its return is still so popular. How can one applaud a democratically elected politician for forcing legislation upon a country against its wishes?

[Ifreann]

Lord Palmerston!

[Belkovsky Island]

Clement Atlee.

[Novograd IV]

Gordon Brown.
best. ever.

[Port Angus]

[PLEASE DELETE POST]