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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
94
21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Thermodolia
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:11 pm

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wow. Last time I heard biden was the bad guy. Now it's trump.

Being a loser will do that
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Postby Myrth » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:11 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
People don't vote, states do.

Which is based on the population of that particular state.


The minimum of 3 affords disproportionate influence to smaller states.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:11 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Nouveau Yathrib wrote:The election has been bad from a Democratic perspective. Trump is doing better in the popular vote than polls indicated (which I anticipated...


If you remember 2016, it took a long time for Hillary's popular vote advantage to come through. California took their time, and why shouldn't they? Popular vote is only symbolic and there was never any doubt whose side CA would go to.


I'm not talking about who wins the Presidency here. I predicted Biden would narrowly win the Electoral College despite winning the popular vote by more than Hillary, and so far it looks like that will most likely happen. I underestimated how well Trump would do in South Florida, in Nevada, and among among POC groups like Latinos and possibly Asians. (Not sure if Trump is actually doing better with Asians this time around yet. It doesn't seem like he's done any worse.)

I would've liked to see the Democrats flip the Senate and gain seats in the House, but the Dems underperformed the polling averages for individvual Senate races. Which means they might not win a majority of Senate seats, and a Biden administration might not be able to get a whole lot done. They look like they'll maintain their House majority though.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:11 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually it’s less than that. Trump only leads by .1%

3,486 votes to be exact, according to AP. I'm getting really concerned. :(

I never thought Georgia would be a swing state. I thought it was another one of the firmly red states like Mississippi and Alabama.

The growth in the Atlanta metro region has been huge. This is the equivalent of when Northern Virginia took over the state.

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Postby Jedi Council » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

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Jolthig wrote:Apparently there have been attempts to get rid of the electoral college in the past. Problem is, both parties can't agree on how to do so. So....politics. that's why.


Problem is that it would require a constitutional amendment, which 2/3rds of the states would have to agree to. The redneck states will never vote away their disproportionate power. There's a thing called the interstate EC compact, where states sign up to simply give their EVs to the winner of the popular vote. It simply requires enough states to sign up that would give 270 EVs for this to effectively bypass the EC.

Colorado voted to join it this cycle I believe.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Cisairse wrote:You'd think that if the Dems were committing widespread vote fraud like Trump claims they are, they'd have given themselves the Senate.

Remember when Hillary Clinton apparently won the popular vote only because she received millions of fake votes, but for some reason her party forgot to put those millions of votes in swing states?
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Postby Picairn » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Telconi wrote:Why is fairness the goal?

I'm legit saddened and enraged that this is even a question.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Ghost Land wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Actually it’s less than that. Trump only leads by .1%

3,486 votes to be exact, according to AP. I'm getting really concerned. :(

I never thought Georgia would be a swing state. I thought it was another one of the firmly red states like Mississippi and Alabama.

Nah. It hasn’t been that red for years. Ever since 2008 it’s been trending blue.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Jolthig wrote:wow. Last time I heard biden was the bad guy. Now it's trump.

Being a loser will do that

Indeed.
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Postby Jedi Council » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Picairn wrote:
Telconi wrote:Why is fairness the goal?

I'm legit saddened and enraged that this is even a question.

Its Tel, I am saddened and enraged by most of his opinions.
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:12 pm

Alternamerica wrote:With Republicans abandoning Trump, Conservative judges refusing his lawsuits or threats of it, and the possibility of GA flipping, I bring you
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Postby Nakena » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:13 pm

Trumpenworld is slowly imploding.

As things go currently its going to fade out not with a bang but with a whimper

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Postby Cisairse » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:13 pm

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Cisairse wrote:You'd think that if the Dems were committing widespread vote fraud like Trump claims they are, they'd have given themselves the Senate.

Remember when Hillary Clinton apparently won the popular vote only because she received millions of fake votes, but for some reason her party forgot to put those millions of votes in swing states?

Podesta, we forgot about Wisconsin! :eek:
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:13 pm

Perhaps we may have trump out of the way, but we still got mr. Mitch to deal with
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Nakena wrote:Trumpenworld is slowly imploding.

As things go currently its going to fade out not with a bang but with a whimper

and his supporters crawl back into their holes.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:14 pm

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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:14 pm

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Nakena wrote:
Would have cutting down it all somehow helped it?

Nah. The forests of the Sierra Nevada are massive and it's some of the roughest terrain in the country, not counting the damage to pristine wilderness.

We did some controlled burns but in late 2016 the weather was so wet we couldn't get anything to light up. 2017 brought massive rains, Oroville dam almost exploded, and the forests were ripe with new plant life.

Which then dies and burns by 2018.

The residents of Paradise and Magalia had a habit of concealing their homes with thick brush and trees to hide whatever illegal operations they were doing (Meth, Marijuana) and that only made things worse.

This is why AZ is the best state. Can’t burn shit when nothing grows in the Desert
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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Jolthig wrote:Perhaps we may have trump out of the way, but we still got mr. Mitch to deal with

At least the dems have 2 shots in the senate...
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Postby Diarcesia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Nakena wrote:Trumpenworld is slowly imploding.

As things go currently its going to fade out not with a bang but with a whimper

Forgive me for invoking Godwin's law, but should Trump lose, it'll be like a spell has been lifted from them. Most will be like, "Why did I vote for this guy?"

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Postby Nagakawa » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:14 pm

Cultural Posadism wrote:
Cisairse wrote:You'd think that if the Dems were committing widespread vote fraud like Trump claims they are, they'd have given themselves the Senate.

Remember when Hillary Clinton apparently won the popular vote only because she received millions of fake votes, but for some reason her party forgot to put those millions of votes in swing states?


Also, remember when Al Gore won the election and we just didn't let him take office?
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Postby Valrifell » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Perhaps we may have trump out of the way, but we still got mr. Mitch to deal with

At least the dems have 2 shots in the senate...


That's funny.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pm

Jolthig wrote:Perhaps we may have trump out of the way, but we still got mr. Mitch to deal with

Hes not going to be around much longer. Hes almost 80.

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Postby Ghost Land » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pm

If Georgia flips, Pennsylvania stays red, and Arizona flips for Trump, the score would be 269-269 and then it would be up to the House of Representatives. I'd be willing to bet Trump would win in that event, given that more states' House delegations are in fact Republican, so this gives me some hope.

What Trump needs to do if Georgia by some miracle stays red is flip Arizona and/or Nevada for him. If Georgia flips, he needs BOTH of those states. If Pennsylvania also flips, he doesn't have a prayer.

Edited as I originally wrote "...Trump would win in that event", which is false. My brain was thinking Biden but my fingers typed Trump.
Edited again as I was informed that such a decision would be one vote per state, not one vote per representative. Thus, really Trump needs 269 to win.
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Postby Jolthig » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pm

Kowani wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Perhaps we may have trump out of the way, but we still got mr. Mitch to deal with

At least the dems have 2 shots in the senate...

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:15 pm

Ghost Land wrote:If Georgia flips, Pennsylvania stays red, and Arizona flips for Trump, the score would be 269-269 and then it would be up to the House of Representatives. I'd be willing to bet Trump would win in that event, given that the House has a Democrat majority.

What Trump needs to do if Georgia by some miracle stays red is flip Arizona and/or Nevada for him. If Georgia flips, he needs BOTH of those states. If Pennsylvania also flips, he doesn't have a prayer.

Nevada isn't going to flip.

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