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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
94
21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Postby Kannap » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:51 am

Kexholm Karelia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Just trying to figure why we're apparently supposed to coddle Trump supporters given how they reacted after 2016.

I agree, but in reverse

Why should we "unify" with the people who called us racists and censored us, and on three occasions killed one of us?


For Dems, the only solution to avoid unifying the left is to try and unify with the right. I think it's an incredibly stupid decision.
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:53 am

Luminesa wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I agree, but in reverse

Why should we "unify" with the people who called us racists and censored us, and on three occasions killed one of us?

We need to unify as a nation, no if’s, and’s, or but’s. Creating more division will not heal us as a country. Even the president-elect called for people to stop looking at each other as enemies. I don’t even necessarily like Biden, but in this instance he’s right-let’s put down our arms and try to reach out to each other.

Now if he’ll double-down on that himself and try to encourage bipartisanship for real, and not just with nice words, then we might have something going. Our country is ill, and we need to work together to make it better.


If Mitch McConnell gets to be Senate majority leader again the chances of that happening are precisely 0.
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Postby Kannap » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:If we do that then law abiding gun owners in blue states will lose their freedom

Yes all states should have no gun laws whatsoever right


That's right, now you're getting it.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:54 am

Kannap wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I agree, but in reverse

Why should we "unify" with the people who called us racists and censored us, and on three occasions killed one of us?


For Dems, the only solution to avoid unifying the left is to try and unify with the right. I think it's an incredibly stupid decision.

Can't wait for the Unite The Left rally where people just smoke weed and chill but a riot still breaks out over obscure differences in tendency.

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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:55 am

Ifreann wrote:
Kannap wrote:
For Dems, the only solution to avoid unifying the left is to try and unify with the right. I think it's an incredibly stupid decision.

Can't wait for the Unite The Left rally where people just smoke weed and chill but a riot still breaks out over obscure differences in tendency.


The Democrats and the Left will unite behind Marxist-Leninist-Bidenism.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:55 am

Kannap wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I agree, but in reverse

Why should we "unify" with the people who called us racists and censored us, and on three occasions killed one of us?


For Dems, the only solution to avoid unifying the left is to try and unify with the right. I think it's an incredibly stupid decision.

We are united as Americans, we are united as the USA, but we cant unite Politically, because we have different Political views, because we think differently on most issues.

But there is nothing wrong with thinking differently and having different political views, it is called Democracy.

This respect is given it is not earned.

Who agrees? Who disagrees?

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:57 am

Thermodolia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:We shall see. Hopefully both do. We also still don’t have the Alaska senate result.

Yes we do. AK is republican hold. Though interestingly the NC race is still undecided as they are waiting on some 170,000 votes and only 96,000 votes separate the two candidates

How awesome would it be if it flipped but I won’t hold my breath for it. If it wasn’t for the stupid nonsense republicans brought up late in the game Cunningham would have won

Abrams has already said she’s going all out to win both
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Postby Kannap » Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:59 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes we do. AK is republican hold. Though interestingly the NC race is still undecided as they are waiting on some 170,000 votes and only 96,000 votes separate the two candidates

How awesome would it be if it flipped but I won’t hold my breath for it. If it wasn’t for the stupid nonsense republicans brought up late in the game Cunningham would have won


Agreed, maybe he'd have won if he didn't cheat on his wife.
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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:02 am

Team Trump held a press conference in Las Vegas Sunday afternoon to update voters and the public on the fraudulent and/or unsecure activity they’ve uncovered since Election Day that may have resulted in hundreds of thousands of illegally-cast votes being counted.

A van load of ballots arriving at one vote center, where they were unsealed, ballots substituted, then re-sealed

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/11 ... ts-n276964

GMS: Interesting list and comments.
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Postby Celritannia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:04 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Team Trump held a press conference in Las Vegas Sunday afternoon to update voters and the public on the fraudulent and/or unsecure activity they’ve uncovered since Election Day that may have resulted in hundreds of thousands of illegally-cast votes being counted.

A van load of ballots arriving at one vote center, where they were unsealed, ballots substituted, then re-sealed

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/11 ... ts-n276964

GMS: Interesting list and comments.


And they have no real evidence.
That's why the courts have thrown out their legal challenge.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:04 am

San Lumen wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Yes we do. AK is republican hold. Though interestingly the NC race is still undecided as they are waiting on some 170,000 votes and only 96,000 votes separate the two candidates

How awesome would it be if it flipped but I won’t hold my breath for it. If it wasn’t for the stupid nonsense republicans brought up late in the game Cunningham would have won

Abrams has already said she’s going all out to win both

Stupid nonsense? The guy was a fucking idiot who cheated on his wife during an election campaign. The south is still very religious and holds democrats to a different standard.

He should have known that but decided to not keep it in his pants
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:05 am

Kannap wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How awesome would it be if it flipped but I won’t hold my breath for it. If it wasn’t for the stupid nonsense republicans brought up late in the game Cunningham would have won


Agreed, maybe he'd have won if he didn't cheat on his wife.

Republicans could have also kept it private and been decent people but why do that?

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:05 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Team Trump held a press conference in Las Vegas Sunday afternoon to update voters and the public on the fraudulent and/or unsecure activity they’ve uncovered since Election Day that may have resulted in hundreds of thousands of illegally-cast votes being counted.

A van load of ballots arriving at one vote center, where they were unsealed, ballots substituted, then re-sealed

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/11 ... ts-n276964

GMS: Interesting list and comments.

You do realize that it’s nearly impossible to reseal those ballots and it’s highly obvious if you did attempt just that.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:05 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Team Trump held a press conference in Las Vegas Sunday afternoon to update voters and the public on the fraudulent and/or unsecure activity they’ve uncovered since Election Day that may have resulted in hundreds of thousands of illegally-cast votes being counted.

A van load of ballots arriving at one vote center, where they were unsealed, ballots substituted, then re-sealed

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/11 ... ts-n276964

GMS: Interesting list and comments.

Yet courts have consistently rejected his claims.

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Postby Ranoria » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:06 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Agreed, maybe he'd have won if he didn't cheat on his wife.

Republicans could have also kept it private and been decent people but why do that?

You are joking, right? In an election? Both sides have been playing hardball for years, come on now.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:07 am

Valrifell wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Can't wait for the Unite The Left rally where people just smoke weed and chill but a riot still breaks out over obscure differences in tendency.


The Democrats and the Left will unite behind Marxist-Leninist-Bidenism.

Marxist-Leninist-Bidenism with Kamala characteristics.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:08 am

San Lumen wrote:
Kannap wrote:
Agreed, maybe he'd have won if he didn't cheat on his wife.

Republicans could have also kept it private and been decent people but why do that?

The fucker should have been decent himself, don’t blame the republicans for his fault. The republicans didn’t force him to cheat.

Also you know damn well that you would be jumping at the chance to expose a republican as a cheater if they did the same. Don’t tell me you wouldn’t
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Postby Valrifell » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:09 am

Ranoria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Republicans could have also kept it private and been decent people but why do that?

You are joking, right? In an election? Both sides have been playing hardball for years, come on now.


This is actually a refreshingly typical scandal for a politician compared to accusations of pedophilia.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:09 am

Luminesa wrote:
Kexholm Karelia wrote:I agree, but in reverse

Why should we "unify" with the people who called us racists and censored us, and on three occasions killed one of us?

We need to unify as a nation, no if’s, and’s, or but’s. Creating more division will not heal us as a country. Even the president-elect called for people to stop looking at each other as enemies. I don’t even necessarily like Biden, but in this instance he’s right-let’s put down our arms and try to reach out to each other.

Now if he’ll double-down on that himself and try to encourage bipartisanship for real, and not just with nice words, then we might have something going. Our country is ill, and we need to work together to make it better.


Your country has become ill in part due to rhetoric and hatred from the right, and I do not see cooperation and compromise when that party continues to exist in present form.
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Postby Plzen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:10 am

No State Here wrote:Which is arguably why the states should have far more autonomy and the federal government scaled back

Face it, no matter how much Biden drums it up, there is no "healing the divide," so the best thing to do is delegate more power to the states so that more conservative states can govern themselves by their values, and liberal states govern themselves by their values. The Federal government should only step in when civil rights and basic freedoms are being violated, but not other than that

The thing is that a lot of "values" only make sense at the national or even international level.

I'd like to not choke to death, so I support air pollution regulation, but this is only effective if all of my neighbours play ball. I live about a thousand kilometres away from a major manufacturing basin, but there is an international border between here and there so there's absolutely nothing I can do about pollution from that basin turning the skies here gray (said neighbour is also really adamant about their coal heritage). If you take regulatory powers away from the federal government and give it to the states, this is exactly the situation you will be recreating right there in North America.

Chopping government into many smaller bits don't make for more manageable government; it makes for an utterly ineffective one.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
The Democrats and the Left will unite behind Marxist-Leninist-Bidenism.

Marxist-Leninist-Bidenism with Kamala characteristics.


What are you going to name your youth league? All-Union Bidenist Young Communist League?
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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:11 am

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Team Trump held a press conference in Las Vegas Sunday afternoon to update voters and the public on the fraudulent and/or unsecure activity they’ve uncovered since Election Day that may have resulted in hundreds of thousands of illegally-cast votes being counted.

A van load of ballots arriving at one vote center, where they were unsealed, ballots substituted, then re-sealed

https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2020/11 ... ts-n276964

GMS: Interesting list and comments.

The courts have given a resounding "lolno" to the claims of fraud.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Nov 09, 2020 8:11 am

Plzen wrote:
No State Here wrote:Which is arguably why the states should have far more autonomy and the federal government scaled back

Face it, no matter how much Biden drums it up, there is no "healing the divide," so the best thing to do is delegate more power to the states so that more conservative states can govern themselves by their values, and liberal states govern themselves by their values. The Federal government should only step in when civil rights and basic freedoms are being violated, but not other than that

The thing is that a lot of policies only make sense at the national or even international level.

I'd like to not choke to death, so I support air pollution regulation, but this is only effective if all of my neighbours play ball. I live about a thousand kilometres away from a major manufacturing basin, but there is an international border between here and there so there's absolutely nothing I can do about pollution from that basin turning the skies here gray (said neighbour is also really adamant about their coal heritage). If you take regulatory powers away from the federal government and give it to the states, this is exactly the situation you will be recreating right there in North America.

Chopping government into many smaller bits don't make for more manageable government; it makes for an utterly ineffective one.

Which is why libertarians want to do it.

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