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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
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21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:25 am


That's good. Their room for manoeuvre is getting narrower and narrower with each passing day. Within a matter of days they'll have run out of threads to tug on.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:25 am

Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:26 am

Telconi wrote:


We paid ourselves, to advise ourselves, and we advised more advice.

Most successful grift of 2020.
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The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Pilipinas and Malaya » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:28 am



I mean, considering how they booked Four Seasons Landscaping, I'm pretty comfortable to say, yeah, most likely.
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:28 am

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The biggest question, apart from whether Trump will run in 2024, is whether or not his base will turn out for a Republican that is not him.

If we see Mike Pence, Marco Rubio, or Nikki Haley as the GOP nominee, does the Trump voter identify with them as much as they did Donald? Do we see the huge turnout in tiny rural counties in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin? Can they appeal to the white working class in a way that Romney, McCain and Bush never and keep the Rust Belt Competitive as Trump has?

There are alot of question marks for the GOP. The amount of people, especially on the right, cheered by the fact that Trump did not lose this election in a massive landslide, that say a 2024 Republican victory is certain need to really be careful they dont go through what the left did in 2016. We largely assumed that Obama voters would be Clinton voters, that she could motivate the Obama Coalition.

We were wrong, and anyone calling 2024 yet is probably wrong too.


It depends on how much influence Trump plans to wield after his Presidency is over, and my guess is that he isn't going to retire into obscurity like most ex-Presidents do. Maybe his plan is still the original plan when he expected to lose 2016, to start his own media empire.

I think Trump could convince most of his supporters to come out for the next Republican candidate because right-wingers by nature fall in line, they carry out their orders.

When Bernie Sanders tries to convince his supporters to vote for Clinton or Biden, many of them refuse, because their ideology means more to them than the man. And when Bernie decides to stand behind a candidate who opposes that ideology, a good deal of his supporters say "then fuck Bernie too." That is how leftists are by nature. Not obedient like the right.

Oh I have no doubt that if Trump ran in 2024, he could pull the base together in some fashion.

But if doesnt, or better yet, cant (prison, not dead), then it would likely be up to another, more established Republican to try.

Unless Don Jr. or Ivanka want to take a stab at it.
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Postby Page » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:29 am

The New California Republic wrote:

That's good. Their room for manoeuvre is getting narrower and narrower with each passing day. Within a matter of days they'll have run out of threads to tug on.


The Trump campaign is already out of options. Even if they got late arriving ballots thrown out, it wouldn't be enough to take Pennsylvania and it would ironically make sure that Georgia is lost.

Of course they don't actually want ALL the late arriving ballots thrown out, they sure want those military ballots. But I don't think even the right-wing ideologues of the Supreme Court would go for throwing out ballots in Pennsylvania while accepting them in Georgia. And ultimately everyone from SCOTUS to state governors know that if there was some trick to keep Trump in power that they could pull off that the country would burn. No one wants that on their conscience.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:31 am

The New California Republic wrote:

That's good. Their room for manoeuvre is getting narrower and narrower with each passing day. Within a matter of days they'll have run out of threads to tug on.

Plus, they can't do a recount in AZ because you can't actually request one of those.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Telconi » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:36 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We paid ourselves, to advise ourselves, and we advised more advice.

Most successful grift of 2020.


Dude it's fucking great!
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:37 am

Telconi wrote:
Kowani wrote:Most successful grift of 2020.


Dude it's fucking great!

It is worthy of applause, yes.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


Currently Rehabilitating: Martin Van Buren, Benjamin Harrison, and Woodrow Wilson
Currently Vilifying: George Washington, Theodore Roosevelt, and Jimmy Carter

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Postby The New California Republic » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:39 am

Page wrote:
The New California Republic wrote:That's good. Their room for manoeuvre is getting narrower and narrower with each passing day. Within a matter of days they'll have run out of threads to tug on.


The Trump campaign is already out of options. Even if they got late arriving ballots thrown out, it wouldn't be enough to take Pennsylvania and it would ironically make sure that Georgia is lost.

Of course they don't actually want ALL the late arriving ballots thrown out, they sure want those military ballots. But I don't think even the right-wing ideologues of the Supreme Court would go for throwing out ballots in Pennsylvania while accepting them in Georgia. And ultimately everyone from SCOTUS to state governors know that if there was some trick to keep Trump in power that they could pull off that the country would burn. No one wants that on their conscience.

Well yes everyone else knows that, but from their perspective specifically they are just starting to realize that the sun is starting to set.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:40 am

So I just heard something about Don Jr. releasing some of the names of 'dead' voters from their supposed list, and CNN was able to track 50 randomly chosen names from that list down to living people who confirmed their Biden votes?

If true, that's funny as hell.

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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Mon Nov 09, 2020 3:56 am

“We have to burn down the Republican Party, we have to level them, because if there are survivors, they will do this again”

Your guy won, woman. What more do you want?

Joe Biden, you wanted to heal divisions and unify the country right? This right here is incitement to political violence and mass murder, i.e. terrorism and genocide. Denounce this sick lady immediately. Tell MSNBC to get its shit together and stop pushing far-left, extremist BS. Prove your worth.

The far-left is already planning to draw up a list of names of anyone who has ever supported the outgoing president with a view to harassing them IRL. AOC is on board.

Pretty sure this is illegal. Lock them up.
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Postby Page » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:04 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:“We have to burn down the Republican Party, we have to level them, because if there are survivors, they will do this again”

Your guy won, woman. What more do you want?

Joe Biden, you wanted to heal divisions and unify the country right? This right here is incitement to political violence and mass murder, i.e. terrorism and genocide. Denounce this sick lady immediately. Tell MSNBC to get its shit together and stop pushing far-left, extremist BS. Prove your worth.

The far-left is already planning to draw up a list of names of anyone who has ever supported the outgoing president with a view to harassing them IRL. AOC is on board.

Pretty sure this is illegal. Lock them up.


If you can accept "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a figure of speech then why not this too?

And I love how you tacked on "AOC is on board" when she's talking about archiving tweets. Last I checked we're all free to take screenshots of anything we want.
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:07 am

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:“We have to burn down the Republican Party, we have to level them, because if there are survivors, they will do this again”

Your guy won, woman. What more do you want?

Joe Biden, you wanted to heal divisions and unify the country right? This right here is incitement to political violence and mass murder, i.e. terrorism and genocide. Denounce this sick lady immediately. Tell MSNBC to get its shit together and stop pushing far-left, extremist BS. Prove your worth.

The far-left is already planning to draw up a list of names of anyone who has ever supported the outgoing president with a view to harassing them IRL. AOC is on board.

Pretty sure this is illegal. Lock them up.

1. Yes, Joe Biden needs to personally denounce every single random supporter of his that makes a dubious claim. Just like Trump did right? :roll:

2. So we have a single Twitter user who claims to be "ANTIFA leader" with the ability dox an immense swathe of the population (without evdidence), and a clearly misinterpreted AOC tweet which was obviously directed at Congressional Republicans who are now going to distance themselves from the former- President.

Yes, this is a truly dangerous and sweeping left wing conspiracy to send every right winger to the gulags.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:08 am



I thought they raised something like $8 million in a day to fund fighting the legal cases. Did Trump just pocket it?
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:08 am

Page wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:“We have to burn down the Republican Party, we have to level them, because if there are survivors, they will do this again”

Your guy won, woman. What more do you want?

Joe Biden, you wanted to heal divisions and unify the country right? This right here is incitement to political violence and mass murder, i.e. terrorism and genocide. Denounce this sick lady immediately. Tell MSNBC to get its shit together and stop pushing far-left, extremist BS. Prove your worth.

The far-left is already planning to draw up a list of names of anyone who has ever supported the outgoing president with a view to harassing them IRL. AOC is on board.

Pretty sure this is illegal. Lock them up.


If you can accept "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a figure of speech then why not this too?

And I love how you tacked on "AOC is on board" when she's talking about archiving tweets. Last I checked we're all free to take screenshots of anything we want.

I love how the only incidences of violence have been from the right and as per usual, GHK is raving about "the left."
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby The Giant Space Wyrm » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:08 am

Man... why can't the Left be half as cool as the Right keep making them out to be?
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Postby Jedi Council » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:09 am

Page wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:“We have to burn down the Republican Party, we have to level them, because if there are survivors, they will do this again”

Your guy won, woman. What more do you want?

Joe Biden, you wanted to heal divisions and unify the country right? This right here is incitement to political violence and mass murder, i.e. terrorism and genocide. Denounce this sick lady immediately. Tell MSNBC to get its shit together and stop pushing far-left, extremist BS. Prove your worth.

The far-left is already planning to draw up a list of names of anyone who has ever supported the outgoing president with a view to harassing them IRL. AOC is on board.

Pretty sure this is illegal. Lock them up.


If you can accept "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a figure of speech then why not this too?

And I love how you tacked on "AOC is on board" when she's talking about archiving tweets. Last I checked we're all free to take screenshots of anything we want.

My favourite bit is where they think some random twitter user has the ability to DOX every Trump supporter and somehow put it all into one massive database. That's practically impossible to do.
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Postby Page » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:10 am

The Giant Space Wyrm wrote:Man... why can't the Left be half as cool as the Right keep making them out to be?


If you're on Facebook follow the group "Things Reactionaries Say That Would Be Awesome If True" so you can delight in it every day.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:10 am

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Page wrote:
They're utterly broke.


I thought they raised something like $8 million in a day to fund fighting the legal cases. Did Trump just pocket it?

about 60% of that went to paying off the campaign's debt.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:10 am

Kowani wrote:
Telconi wrote:
We paid ourselves, to advise ourselves, and we advised more advice.

Most successful grift of 2020.


Wouldn't that be Ivanka taking money to consult for the firm she actually works for?
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Postby Plzen » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:10 am

Page wrote:If you can accept "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a figure of speech then why not this too?

And I love how you tacked on "AOC is on board" when she's talking about archiving tweets. Last I checked we're all free to take screenshots of anything we want.

I love how the poster before yours is so effectively demonstrating the necessity of what they are so busy denouncing.

Compare the health of French-German relations today compared to, oh, the Japanese-South Korean. Sometimes "division and unity" doesn't mean ending difficulties by shaking hands with the very people who caused those difficulties and pretending the grievances of the past don't exist; sometimes "division and unity" means a strict willingness to denounce the flawed ideals of the recently-defeated.

A healthy democratic society requires a basis of agreed-upon truth.
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Postby Page » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:11 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Page wrote:
They're utterly broke.


I thought they raised something like $8 million in a day to fund fighting the legal cases. Did Trump just pocket it?


All I know is people who aren't broke don't send out desperate, rambling, begging emails every hour.

Not only is the campaign broke but Trump himself is cash poor too.
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Postby Kowani » Mon Nov 09, 2020 4:11 am

An Alan Smithee Nation wrote:
Kowani wrote:Most successful grift of 2020.


Wouldn't that be Ivanka taking money to consult for the firm she actually works for?

that...would also be in the running, yes
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