2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

[Omniabstracta]

I mean, good for you? That doesn’t change that by objective measure, it does not have any significant partisan impact and slightly increases overall turnout compared to most other state voting systems.

How does one objectively measure significance?

I see we’re on to to the pedantry again, let me rephrase:

By commonly accepted standards of research and review, it does not have a statistically significant partisan impact. Furthermore, there is no reason to expect that the greatest costs associated with universal mail-in voting are substantive enough to deter more than a handful of voters out of millions, and it is almost certainly the case that these costs are lower for the majority of voters than is possible in many other commonly used voting systems.

[No State Here]

Biden's speech was pretty good.

Not like, amazing, certainly not his best, but still pretty good.

His speech reeked of centrism and military worship.

How does it feel to be an edgy hippie all the time?

[Jedi Council]

Biden's speech was pretty good.

Not like, amazing, certainly not his best, but still pretty good.

His speech reeked of centrism and military worship.

Which is why it will be well received by most of the public.

[Telconi]

Communal mailboxes have sections for outgoing mail.

Source: Have one.

I have a car, all cars are now exactly like mine.

[Fartsniffage]

Communal mailboxes have sections for outgoing mail.

Source: Have one.

Telconi likes complaining about stuff. It's a thing.

[Salandriagado]

I support legally requiring employers to give you the time to vote.

Easily and simply. Fof example even in jurisdictions which nominally give you this, it's often convoluted or limited in scope.

Honestly, the easiest option is probably just to make election day a public holiday and have done with it. You'd still need something in place for those who have to work on public holidays, but at least you've narrowed things down a lot.

[Fartsniffage]

Communal mailboxes have sections for outgoing mail.

Source: Have one.

I have a car, all cars are now exactly like mine.

Have you asked the USPS to sort it our for you?

[Tokora]

If Biden's Justice Department does decide that Trump and his administration needs to be prosecuted, can the GOP if they keep the senate prevent that out of spite?

[Salandriagado]

What is this question? They have almost no voter fraud, even though they have universal mail in voting.

If we went to only in-person voting, we'd have almost no voting fraud.

Well, obviously. Because you already have almost no voter fraud.

[Salandriagado]

It is, I'm mocking the assertion that lack of fraud is the only metric by which a voting system ought be measured, especially given that the conversation isn't about fraud. Or wasn't until people flocked to that like seagulls to an abandoned pizza box.

What other metrics are at play here?

Accessibility. Convenience. Ease of counting. Speed of counting. Reliability.

[Telconi]

Easily and simply. Fof example even in jurisdictions which nominally give you this, it's often convoluted or limited in scope.

Honestly, the easiest option is probably just to make election day a public holiday and have done with it. You'd still need something in place for those who have to work on public holidays, but at least you've narrowed things down a lot.

Operate polls on more than one day, and require that everyone recieve at least one of those days off.

[Salandriagado]

Honestly, the easiest option is probably just to make election day a public holiday and have done with it. You'd still need something in place for those who have to work on public holidays, but at least you've narrowed things down a lot.

Operate polls on more than one day, and require that everyone recieve at least one of those days off.

That's... actually a really slick solution. I like it. Could speed up counting, too: make your poll workers' day off the first day, then have them spend the second day counting the day one votes, etc.

[Cisairse]

I don't think so, no.

It wouldn't be that difficult.

I don't think you really understand how my mailbox works…

[The New California Republic]

It wouldn't be that difficult.

I don't think you really understand how my mailbox works…

Well since I don't have cameras watching your house then that's not at all surprising.

[Telconi]

Operate polls on more than one day, and require that everyone recieve at least one of those days off.

That's... actually a really slick solution. I like it.

Why do we need an election day, when we could have an election weekend, or week?

You could even mandate that no counting occurs until the end to prevent ongoing counts from swaying later votes. If folks were concerned about that.

[Cisairse]

I don't think you really understand how my mailbox works…

Well since I don't have cameras watching your house then that's not at all surprising.

Basically imagine a PO box, except it's not a USPS PO box, it's just a bunch of metal rows of similar boxes bolted to my apartment building.

[Bombadil]

I don't think you really understand how my mailbox works…

Well since I don't have cameras watching your house then that's not at all surprising.

Possibly the least consequential discussions on NSG for a long time, and that's saying something.

[Gravlen]

If Biden's Justice Department does decide that Trump and his administration needs to be prosecuted, can the GOP if they keep the senate prevent that out of spite?

The short answer? No.

[Telconi]

I don't think you really understand how my mailbox works…

Well since I don't have cameras watching your house then that's not at all surprising.

Iunno how Cisarise's box works, but the one I have is essentially the reverse of a collection box. There's a spring loaded door at the top that you drop mail in, and an access door at the back locked by a key. Difference is in this situation the mail man drops incoming mail in the slot, and one of the residents opens the back to get the mail out.

[Bombadil]

If Biden's Justice Department does decide that Trump and his administration needs to be prosecuted, can the GOP if they keep the senate prevent that out of spite?

The short answer? No.

Pretty sure the SDNY has quite the juicy manilla envelope all ready to go, I think the only question will be whether Biden offers Trump a pardon and I waver as to whether he should or not.

[Cisairse]

Well since I don't have cameras watching your house then that's not at all surprising.

Iunno how Cisarise's box works, but the one I have is essentially the reverse of a collection box. There's a spring loaded door at the top that you drop mail in, and an access door at the back locked by a key. Difference is in this situation the mail man drops incoming mail in the slot, and one of the residents opens the back to get the mail out.

Yeah mine isn't like this, it's basically a PO box that only opens from the front. I'm just one small box in a big wall of similar boxes.

[Telconi]

I don't think you really understand how my mailbox works…

Well since I don't have cameras watching your house then that's not at all surprising.

Regardless of the specific details, the point is that sending outgoing mail from their homes is not something that's easy or convenient for all Americans, and in some cases may be less convenient than simply voting in person.

[Gravlen]

The short answer? No.

Pretty sure the SDNY has quite the juicy manilla envelope all ready to go, I think the only question will be whether Biden offers Trump a pardon and I waver as to whether he should or not.

There will be questions, like "Can Trump pardon himself?" and "Can he do that thing nobody thought was legally possible, but he's now claiming to do?"

[Jedi Council]

The short answer? No.

Pretty sure the SDNY has quite the juicy manilla envelope all ready to go, I think the only question will be whether Biden offers Trump a pardon and I waver as to whether he should or not.

I doubt Biden will; the Democrats would be furious.

Trump will probably try to pardon himself, which would be certainly contested in court.

If he goes badly, I could imagine him resigning so Pence pardons him, which Mike would do because he wants to own the Trump base for the 2024 primary

[Bombadil]

Pretty sure the SDNY has quite the juicy manilla envelope all ready to go, I think the only question will be whether Biden offers Trump a pardon and I waver as to whether he should or not.

There will be questions, like "Can Trump pardon himself?" and "Can he do that thing nobody thought was legally possible, but he's now claiming to do?"

Part of me feels that for a degree of unity then pardoning him is a good thing to do, part of me thinks that whenever a party is gracious to the other it gets thrown back in their face like a wet fish and so may as well not pardon him at all.