2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

[Cannot think of a name]

Me: Links to an extensive list of every one of Trump's lawsuits save one getting thrown out
Nazeroth: "Imma pretend I didn't see that"

Talkie head on the talkie box had to come on and explain that the Supreme Court isn't a drive up window you can go to in order to have them make rulings for you.

You have to have a case with standing. Trump hasn't managed to have a case with standing in local courts. Vaguely implying turns out is not admissible in court.

[Greater Miami Shores]

To The US Supreme Court, on vote fraud charges by the Democrats.

Until it is settled either way.

GMS.

And what vote fraud would that be?

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

Wanting to count ballots a week or two after the election night.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

Republican President Trump did better than expected with Hispanics, not just Cuban Americans, did better than expected with Black African Americans, and other minorities than in 2016.

GMS.

[Nazeroth]

Knowing the history of the dnc? Who would think a corpratist oligarch backed by big tech and msm isnt.

Perhaps. He's your President all the same if he wins the election and Trump's little tantrum can't convince SCOTUS to ignore the will of the people.

Look how mad you are getting over this

[Vassenor]

And what vote fraud would that be?

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

GMS.

So your evidence of fraud is that it doesn't match the polls you want to believe. And that the GOP instituted a rule that mail-in ballots couldn't be counted until after the in-person ballots were done precisely to create this narrative.

[Vassenor]

Perhaps. He's your President all the same if he wins the election and Trump's little tantrum can't convince SCOTUS to ignore the will of the people.

Look how mad you are getting over this

We're not the ones screaming about wrongdoing and how lawsuits will fix everything.

[Kowani]

Me: Links to an extensive list of every one of Trump's lawsuits save one getting thrown out
Nazeroth: "Imma pretend I didn't see that"

Talkie head on the talkie box had to come on and explain that the Supreme Court isn't a drive up window you can go to in order to have them make rulings for you.

You have to have a case with standing. Trump hasn't managed to have a case with standing in local courts. Vaguely implying turns out is not admissible in court.

I know how SCOTUS works, thank you-

but yes, Trump's lawsuits have all failed except for one which gave him more poll watchers.
This won't get to the Supreme Court.

[Glorious Hong Kong]

The judiciary remains as independent as ever.

That's if the Dems don't have their way in the Senate and pack the Supreme Court. If the Supreme Court rules against Trump, he's done.

Pro-Trump Latinos Now Being Exiled From the Progressive Coalition

Cuban- and Venezuelan-Americans are not exactly big fans of socialism.

The project of the activist left has been to bind all oppressed people together in a struggle against racism, sexism, capitalism, transphobia, homophobia, ableism, ageism, sizeism, and every other –ism imaginable. Latinos, in particular, are an example of the inherent contradictions and difficulties of this task: To fight gendered language, highly educated and otherwise privileged college activists have asserted that the gender-neutral term Latinx should replace the traditional Latino and Latina. They have won over many in the media, but very few Latinos—just 2 percent of whom actually like the term.

Here's why support for Trump/Trumpism remains as strong as ever.

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[...] the existence of vast numbers of people who are outside of the purview of the cultural elites. People who have developed some kind of immunity to the cultural supremacy of the ‘woke’ worldview so intensely mainstreamed by the political and media sets in recent years. People who are more than content to defy the diktats of the supposedly right-thinking elites and cast their ballots in a way that they think best tallies with their political, social and class interests.

The fury of the elites in the wake of the US election is palpable, and at times visceral. Even though their man is highly likely to have won, they are incandescent. Already there is rage against the innate racism and ‘white supremacy’ of the throng. Already there is neo-racist disgust with the Latinos and black people who, in larger numbers than 2016, voted for Trump. ‘We are surrounded by racists’, said New York Times columnist Charles M Blow, capturing the sense of siege felt by the woke clerisy. This rage of the elites against the masses, despite the victory of the elites’ preferred candidate, suggests they instinctively recognise their failure to bring significant sections of the masses to heel. They splutter out terms like ‘racist’ and ‘white supremacist’ as reprimands against the millions who refuse to take the knee to their politics of fear, politics of identity, and politics of cancellation and control.

The elite’s wrongness about this election is itself a crushing confirmation of their failure to ideologically domesticate large numbers of Americans. Many Americans have clearly chosen not to communicate their beliefs to pollsters, a key part of the new political clerisy, because they are aware that the political elites hold them in contempt. As one election analyst said, because of the ‘degree of hate’ directed to Trump supporters ‘by nearly all the media’, we have a situation where ‘people didn’t necessarily want to admit to pollsters who they were supporting’. Not only do many Americans refuse to embrace the new orthodoxies of the uniformly anti-Trump cultural elites, but they also refuse to engage honestly with the cultural elites. They know it’s a waste of time. That is the size of the moral and political chasm that now exists between the guardians of correct-thought and millions of ordinary people.

The second reason this election has rattled the seeming victors – the pro-Biden establishment – is because of who voted for Trump. Exit polls suggest there were significant shifts of black and Latino voters to Trump. It is reported that 18 per cent of black men voted for Trump, up from the five per cent who voted for John McCain in 2008 and the 11 per cent who voted for Mitt Romney in 2012. A shift of this kind towards a politician relentlessly described as a ‘white supremacist’ is very significant. According to the AP VoteCast, 35 per cent of Latinos seem to have voted for Trump. And a whopping 59 per cent of Native Hawaiians and 52 per cent of Native Americans and Alaska Natives opted for Trump. Seemingly these First Nation peoples didn’t get the NYT, SNL, DNC message that Trump is a racist who hates all non-white people.

As we should expect from the neo-racialists of the identitarian elites, there is already fierce denunciation of minority groups who voted for Trump. They have sold out to ‘white supremacy’, woke academics and columnists claim. Blow writes in the NYT that the Latino and black shift towards Trump is proof of the ‘power of the white patriarchy’ and the influence it has even over oppressed racial groups: ‘Some people who have been historically oppressed will stand with their oppressors.’ That’s a lot of words to say ‘Uncle Tom’. The anger with Latinos and blacks who voted for Trump is motivated by a view of these people as racial deviants, as traitors to their race. In the rigid worldview of the identitarian elites, people are not individuals or members of an economic class – they are mere manifestations of race and ethnicity and they must conform to that role. That many voters have clearly bristled at such racial fatalism is a very positive development. Identity politics was dealt a blow in this election, and the elites know it.

The educational divide is telling. Naturally, some observers claim it is proof that clever people primarily vote for Biden while dumb people prefer Trump. In truth, this split is primarily reflective of the key role universities now play as communicators of the new orthodoxies. In recent years, universities in the Anglosphere have gone from being citadels of intellectual consideration and experimentation to being factories of woke indoctrination. From critical race theory to genderfluidity, from the view of American history as one crime after another to the myopic policing of speech – including conversational speech in the form of ‘microaggressions’ – universities have become important transmitters of the ideologies of the new elites. As a consequence, one of the great ironies of our time is that it is those who have not attended a university who seem better able to think independently and to resist the coercions of elite-decreed correct-thought.

The ideas that hold on a university campus [...] hold no sway whatsoever in the factories, delivery centres, mess rooms or bars of vast swathes of America.

Indeed, the split of Biden and Trump voters on issues is striking, too. Of the voters who think the economy and jobs is the most important issue, the vast majority are Trump supporters: 81 per cent compared with just 16 per cent of Biden supporters. Of the voters who think racism is the most important issue, 78 per cent were Biden supporters and just 19 per cent were Trump supporters. And of the voters who think climate change is the most important issue, 86 per cent were Biden supporters and just 11 per cent were Trump supporters. On Covid, 83 per cent of Biden supporters said it is ‘not under control at all’, while just 15 per cent of Trump voters said the same thing.

On issues that are central to the clerisy’s worldview [...] Trump voters deviate consistently from the elite narrative. [...] And they do so even on issues for which you can be cancelled for disagreeing. Try going on to a campus and saying that racism and climate change are not major issues for the US. You would be finished. But not in other parts of America. There, free discussion, or at least free thought, appears still to reign.

Perhaps the most important act of ‘cultural deviance’ carried out by the millions who chose Trump over Biden is their attempt to re-elevate class over identity. This is why the shift of working-class blacks and Latinos towards Trump is so important. It is also why Trump voters’ overwhelming belief that the economy and jobs is the most important issue in the US right now – in contrast with very small numbers of Biden voters who think the same thing – is so relevant. What we have witnessed in the US is a reassertion of the importance of class over identity, of the shared social and economic interests of a significant section of society over the narrow cultural obsessions of the new elites and their supporters in the new knowledge industries. The emerging populist coalition of working-class blacks, Latinos and non-university whites is a quiet revolt against the stranglehold that the upper middle-class elites have over the political narrative, and against the elites’ self-conscious promotion of the neoliberal myopia of identity and their diminution of the importance of class.

Corporations, academia, the education system, the Democratic establishment, the media elites and the social-media oligarchies [...] are not about to let some uppity blacks and Latinos and uneducated whites disrupt this new ruling-class ideology with their vulgar concerns about the economy and jobs.

Trump has lost. But so has the anti-Trump establishment. In some ways, the establishment’s loss is far more significant. These elites see in the 70million people who disobediently, flagrantly voted for ‘evil’, and who question the doom and divisiveness and censure of the new elites, a genuine mass threat to their right to rule and their self-serving ideologies. And they are right to. For these unconquerables, these teeming millions who have not been captured by the new orthodoxies, are proof that populism will survive Trump’s fall and that the self-protecting narratives of the new elites are not accepted by huge numbers of ordinary people.

This is the real resistance. Not the upper-middle-class TikTok revolutionaries and antifa fantasists whose every view – on trans issues, Black Lives Matter, the wickedness of Trump – corresponds precisely with the outlook of Google and Nike and the New York Times. No, the resistance is these working people. These defiant Hispanics. Those black men who did what black men are not supposed to do. Those non-college whites who think college ideologies are crazy. These people are the ones who have the balls and the independence of mind to force a serious rethink and realignment of the political sphere in the 21st-century West. More power to them.

[Albrenia]

And what vote fraud would that be?

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

Wanting to count ballots a week or two after the election night.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

GMS.

It's not a coincidence.

Trump and Republicans played a 'strong leader' and 'not afraid' narrative, which encouraged in-person, on the day voting. A record amount of Republican voters turned up, most of them on the day and in-person.

Biden and Democrats played a 'Covid safe' and 'responsible' narrative, which encouraged early and mail-in voting. A record number of Democrats voted by mail.

On the day votes are counted first in many places, so Trump surged ahead since on-the-day voters were majority Republican. Trump smashed all opposition, until the Democrat-heavy mail-in votes started to be counted, and the real picture was revealed.

[Greater Miami Shores]

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

GMS.

So your evidence of fraud is that it doesn't match the polls you want to believe. And that the GOP instituted a rule that mail-in ballots couldn't be counted until after the in-person ballots were done precisely to create this narrative.

No lol. You are taking my post out of context, lol again. GMS.

[Indian Empire]

The current outcome is the one where Republicans should be popping bottles of champagne and launching fireworks into the sky. As someone who's more liberal, this outcome is literally the worst case for our country. The only way that changes is if Jon Ossoff & Raphael Warnock both win.

[Albrenia]

Perhaps. He's your President all the same if he wins the election and Trump's little tantrum can't convince SCOTUS to ignore the will of the people.

Look how mad you are getting over this

I'm actually not mad at all. I know it's hard to tell over text, but I'm literally lurking on this forum and commenting between reading articles online.

[Vassenor]

So your evidence of fraud is that it doesn't match the polls you want to believe. And that the GOP instituted a rule that mail-in ballots couldn't be counted until after the in-person ballots were done precisely to create this narrative.

No lol. You are taking my post out of context, lol again. GMS.

No, I'm reading what you're writing. You're literally claiming fraud purely because Democrats tend to vote by mail, especially in the middle of a massive pandemic. In spite of the GOP's attempts to fuck up postal voting.

[Cannot think of a name]

Talkie head on the talkie box had to come on and explain that the Supreme Court isn't a drive up window you can go to in order to have them make rulings for you.

You have to have a case with standing. Trump hasn't managed to have a case with standing in local courts. Vaguely implying turns out is not admissible in court.

I know how SCOTUS works, thank you-


but yes, Trump's lawsuits have all failed except for one which gave him more poll watchers.
This won't get to the Supreme Court.

I wasn't correcting you, I was adding to your point.

[Xanthal]

This is just getting petulant now. I liked this thread better yesterday.

[Kowani]

I know how SCOTUS works, thank you-


but yes, Trump's lawsuits have all failed except for one which gave him more poll watchers.
This won't get to the Supreme Court.

I wasn't correcting you, I was adding to your point.

Ahhh, fair enough.
My bad.

[Vassenor]

This is just getting petulant now. I liked this thread better yesterday.

Unfortunately some people just don't want to accept that Trump lost legitimately and insist that it must be the result of fraud that they can't prove exists but "it totally happened believe me".

[Albrenia]

This is just getting petulant now. I liked this thread better yesterday.

A fair point. I'll stop engaging on the silly SCOTUS cases.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

This is just getting petulant now. I liked this thread better yesterday.

Just as much fatigue. Less excitement. Also nobody got what they wanted.

[Indian Empire]

This is just getting petulant now. I liked this thread better yesterday.

Just as much fatigue. Less excitement. Also nobody got what they wanted.

The current outcome is best case for Republicans. Unless Ossoff & Warnock win the two Georgia runoffs, in which case it would be the reverse.

[Terruana]

And what vote fraud would that be?

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

Wanting to count ballots a week or two after the election night.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

Republican President Trump did better than expected with Hispanics, not just Cuban Americans, did better than expected with Black African Americans, and other minorities than in 2016.

GMS.

Why is it voter fraud if Trump lost his lead in some states after more votes were counted?

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Also I wonder how much regret for lost opportunities. All this great stuff we forgot to use in the campaign! Let's get started campaigning for 2024!

And a thousand puppies get CTOAN's merciful attention ...

[Vassenor]

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

Wanting to count ballots a week or two after the election night.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

Republican President Trump did better than expected with Hispanics, not just Cuban Americans, did better than expected with Black African Americans, and other minorities than in 2016.

GMS.

Why is it voter fraud if Trump lost his lead in some states after more votes were counted?

Because they're not votes for Trump and so are illegal votes. Presumably.

[Xanthal]

The current outcome is best case for Republicans. Unless Ossoff & Warnock win the two Georgia runoffs, in which case it would be the reverse.

Which Republicans? Both parties have such motley coalitions that it's a testament to the power of the two party system they're cohesive groups at all.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

And what vote fraud would that be?

lol, vote fraud with mail in ballots, wanting to count ballots where the signatures don't match, wanting to count ballots not properly stamped by the post office.

Wanting to count ballots a week or two after the election night.

There is a report of a software glitch in a Michigan county where x thousands of votes for Trump were posted for Biden, and now they fix it for Trump, what a coincidence.

At least 3 Polls, called Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin for President Trump, while all the other polls called it for Biden.

What a coincidence, Trump was leading in most if not all of the states in question on election night, many with a majority of the precints reporting, until the mail in votes were counted, what a coincidence.

Republican President Trump did better than expected with Hispanics, not just Cuban Americans, did better than expected with Black African Americans, and other minorities than in 2016.

GMS.

All this dreadful fraud going on in the States, and at the local level. Clearly some major electoral reform is needed!

Clearly Trump isn't going to get it done. Can I count on your support next year, when I raise the cry of "Federalize the Federal elections!!" again?

[Xanthal]

Because they're not votes for Trump and so are illegal votes. Presumably.

Sadly it's an attitude endemic in both parties, though it's manifested differently. People are so ensconced in their socio-political bubbles that they just can't fathom reasonably intelligent, informed, good-hearted people voting the other way.