2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

[The Restored Danelaw]

^_Forsher, i side with you even if fear your sight blind with optimism. ‘shy voter’ is most disgraceful event nation could get. people well aware of their shame, nonetheless will ask mafia aid while formally comply laws.

they are shy because they can LITERALLY be assaulted in public for being a Trump supporter

Frankly? I wish this was true, but no, that's not it. They're shy because supporting Trump is, for good reason and justifiably, not seen as a good thing in polite company and they know it.

[Cisairse]

^_Forsher, i side with you even if fear your sight blind with optimism. ‘shy voter’ is most disgraceful event nation could get. people well aware of their shame, nonetheless will ask mafia aid while formally comply laws.

they are shy because they can LITERALLY be assaulted in public for being a Trump supporter

They should fucking cope then, because supporting Biden will get you shot. Being assaulted is explicitly a lesser punishment here.

[RiderSyl]

You must have an incredible crystal ball hidden somewhere, wanna show it to me sometime?

I have no doubt in my mind that Biden and Harris will push us into another conflict zone, I'm okay eating crow if I'm wrong.

Ha, don't think I didn't notice that! What's the difference between war and conflict zone?

[Cultural Posadism]

Trump wins almost 5 million more votes than at the 2016 election

Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show

Trump Wins Highest Percent of Nonwhite Voters of Any Republican in 60 Years, Doubles LGBTQ Support From 2016: Exit Poll

Despite increasingly rabid opposition and constant fearmongering from the Left and MSM mouthpieces to President Trump, the man is more popular than ever before among minorities and LGBTQ people. Ironically, support for him has decreased among white men. Could it be that he's not actually racist or homophobic?

Also this:

The pollsters were wrong once again. The shy Trump voter really does exist. Nigel Farage was absolutely right all along.

Republicans stand poised to retain control of the Senate, and shave the Democratic majority in the House. Americans have not "overwhelmingly repudiated Trumpian politics" in a Democratic presidential landslide. If anything, Trump is more popular than ever before. Could it be that calling everyone you don't like a racist and a fascist and being extremely hateful and toxic toward one's opponents might've had something to do with it? It's pretty obvious. I personally know what that feels like.

Further evidence that Donald Trump isn't racist and the woke Left is totally out of touch:

Perhaps more importantly, the media continues to be wrong about why Trump is popular, and about which people like him. Unable to admit that a Democratic Party held hostage by liberal arts graduates who write their preferred pronouns on their name tags might be out of touch with the working class voters who traditionally vote blue, many cable news talking heads settled on any number of alternative explanations: from Russian interference to lingering, perhaps resurgent, racism throughout the U.S. (CNN's Van Jones called it a "whitelash" in 2016.)

Trump, though appears to have improved—albeit modestly—his totals with minority voters, including and especially Latino voters. The narrative that Trump's divisive rhetoric about foreigners and immigrants renders him completely toxic to minority voters just doesn't match the reality. Indeed, the results thus far suggested that the racial gap—at least for Latinos—is shrinking, and class and educational attainment are becoming more salient considerations than race.

In other words: It's the economy, stupid. [Note to mods: Reference, not trolling.]

Democratic MSM mouthpieces have been morphing into one, big, left-wing echo chamber for years now and everyone but themselves can see what's happening. The media rot has really spread far and wide.

Even though it appears Joe Biden may win this one, it will be by the narrowest of margins and the Left's ability to smugly gloat about their opponents' "defeat" and mine conservative salt has been greatly and thankfully limited.

Yay, you came back!!!

[Nazeroth]

they are shy because they can LITERALLY be assaulted in public for being a Trump supporter

Frankly? I wish this was true, but no, that's not it. They're shy because supporting Trump is, for good reason and justifiably, not seen as a good thing in polite company and they know it.

bullshit

[Cisairse]

And yet still hilariously less popular than Joe Biden.

By around 3% no less. Also, any full list of age demographics on who voted how this year? I feel like it MIGHT still be that Trump is just dominating the older vote since even my grandmother who has been in hospital for the last year due to worries over strokes (and who tested positive for COVID yesterday as well, sadly) voted Trump.

Exit polls are going to suck this year (especially among Biden supporters) due to mail, but what little data we do have indicates that Biden basically closed the senior gap to a tie.

[Cedoria]

Frankly? I wish this was true, but no, that's not it. They're shy because supporting Trump is, for good reason and justifiably, not seen as a good thing in polite company and they know it.

bullshit

Not bullshit, explicitly true, a great many liberals will refuse to associate with Trump supporters in any capacity if they can avoid it.

[Nazeroth]

bullshit

Not bullshit, explicitly true, a great many liberals will refuse to associate with Trump supporters in any capacity if they can avoid it.

I do agree with THAT they are intolerant as shit, Ive lost freinds after the 2016 election because i "voted for hate"

[Phoenicaea]

^_Nazeroth, i can not be sure cause i am not american, so take mine as grain of salt. individuals behavior is usually given from a justification, nonetheless. for most people, the two things are truly the same.

what you can do is seen as fair, and what materially you can not do may be at the end, morally forbidden. that is the career’s and successful man mindset at least, nowadays.

[Cisairse]

Frankly? I wish this was true, but no, that's not it. They're shy because supporting Trump is, for good reason and justifiably, not seen as a good thing in polite company and they know it.

bullshit

Truly a response of someone who often finds themselves in polite company

[Nobel Hobos 2]

Trump wins almost 5 million more votes than at the 2016 election

Black men drifted from Democrats toward Trump in record numbers, polls show

Trump Wins Highest Percent of Nonwhite Voters of Any Republican in 60 Years, Doubles LGBTQ Support From 2016: Exit Poll

Despite increasingly rabid opposition and constant fearmongering from the Left and MSM mouthpieces to President Trump, the man is more popular than ever before among minorities and LGBTQ people. Ironically, support for him has decreased among white men. Could it be that he's not actually racist or homophobic?

Also this:

The pollsters were wrong once again. The shy Trump voter really does exist. Nigel Farage was absolutely right all along.

Republicans stand poised to retain control of the Senate, and shave the Democratic majority in the House. Americans have not "overwhelmingly repudiated Trumpian politics" in a Democratic presidential landslide. If anything, Trump is more popular than ever before. Could it be that calling everyone you don't like a racist and a fascist and being extremely hateful and toxic toward one's opponents might've had something to do with it? It's pretty obvious. I personally know what that feels like.

Further evidence that Donald Trump isn't racist and the woke Left is totally out of touch:

[spoiler]

Perhaps more importantly, the media continues to be wrong about why Trump is popular, and about which people like him. Unable to admit that a Democratic Party held hostage by liberal arts graduates who write their preferred pronouns on their name tags might be out of touch with the working class voters who traditionally vote blue, many cable news talking heads settled on any number of alternative explanations: from Russian interference to lingering, perhaps resurgent, racism throughout the U.S. (CNN's Van Jones called it a "whitelash" in 2016.)

Trump, though appears to have improved—albeit modestly—his totals with minority voters, including and especially Latino voters. The narrative that Trump's divisive rhetoric about foreigners and immigrants renders him completely toxic to minority voters just doesn't match the reality. Indeed, the results thus far suggested that the racial gap—at least for Latinos—is shrinking, and class and educational attainment are becoming more salient considerations than race.

In other words: It's the economy, stupid. [Note to mods: Reference, not trolling.]

Democratic MSM mouthpieces have been morphing into one, big, left-wing echo chamber for years now and everyone but themselves can see what's happening. The media rot has really spread far and wide.[/spoiler]

Even though it appears Joe Biden may win this one, it will be by the narrowest of margins and the Left's ability to smugly gloat about their opponents' "defeat" and mine conservative salt has been greatly and thankfully limited.

The level of self-delusion it must take to gloat over how little your guy lost by ... it's really quite impressive. Nothing can touch you in that little bubble of yours, can it?

Yeah I am disappointed that Dems do not look like winning the Senate. But nowhere near as bad as I'd feel if a historically bad President with an appalling record of failure in office, had scammed the Electoral College again to keep office.

[Saiwania]

Biden isn't super popular. There is more turn out for both sides this year because of Covid-19. Trumpsters because of fears of Democratic political machines rigging the voting for many states (which is normally the case) and Democrats because they hate Trump staying in more than having to tolerate Biden for 4 years.

[RiderSyl]

Not bullshit, explicitly true, a great many liberals will refuse to associate with Trump supporters in any capacity if they can avoid it.

I do agree with THAT they are intolerant as shit, Ive lost freinds after the 2016 election because i "voted for hate"

It's possible you actually lost those friendships for a different reason, and using who you voted for was an easier out.

[The Restored Danelaw]

Not bullshit, explicitly true, a great many liberals will refuse to associate with Trump supporters in any capacity if they can avoid it.

I do agree with THAT they are intolerant as shit, Ive lost freinds after the 2016 election because i "voted for hate"

That's how you know your candidate isn't supported or seen as acceptable in polite company. You're no longer part of said company, they stopped hanging out with you.

[World Anarchic Union]

Is a 306 victory for Biden likely at this point?

[Corrian]

So Kim Wyman is the only Republican on the west coast in a statewide election to have her job still

[Albrenia]

Biden isn't super popular. There is more turn out for both sides this year because of Covid-19. Trumpsters because of fears of Democratic political machines rigging the voting for many states (which is normally the case) and Democrats because they hate Trump staying in more than having to tolerate Biden for 4 years.

Can't really have it both ways though. If Trump's turnout is a sign that he's popular, then Biden's is a sign that he's MORE popular. If it's just Covid-19 doing it, one could still argue that Trump isn't popular either, much like Biden.

[Cisairse]

Biden isn't super popular.

He doesn't have to be. It's indisputable though (because we have the numbers) that he's more popular than Trump, which is all I really care about here.

[Tyrassueb]

Biden isn't super popular. There is more turn out for both sides this year because of Covid-19. Trumpsters because of fears of Democratic political machines rigging the voting for many states (which is normally the case) and Democrats because they hate Trump staying in more than having to tolerate Biden for 4 years.

Stop pushing baseless conspiracy theories, Sai. The Dems have not rigged the voting just because Trump is on course to lose.

[Nazeroth]

I do agree with THAT they are intolerant as shit, Ive lost freinds after the 2016 election because i "voted for hate"

It's possible you actually lost those friendships for a different reason, and using who you voted for was an easier out.

Not really, I lost a freind because we disagreed on gun rights, and i never did him dirty and always accepted his beliefs but his other "woke" friends told him that he shouldn't' associate with republicans

[The Archregimancy]

they are shy because they can LITERALLY be assaulted in public for being a Trump supporter

They should fucking cope then, because supporting Biden will get you shot. Being assaulted is explicitly a lesser punishment here.

Let's be careful here, please.

No lines have been overstepped yet, but I don't want this thread to devolve into a comparative discussion of which crimes against the supporters of particular candidates might be worse.

[Nazeroth]

Biden isn't super popular. There is more turn out for both sides this year because of Covid-19. Trumpsters because of fears of Democratic political machines rigging the voting for many states (which is normally the case) and Democrats because they hate Trump staying in more than having to tolerate Biden for 4 years.

Stop pushing baseless conspiracy theories, Sai. The Dems have not rigged the voting just because Trump is on course to lose.

well let the lawyers figure that out.

[Senkaku]

Not bullshit, explicitly true, a great many liberals will refuse to associate with Trump supporters in any capacity if they can avoid it.

I do agree with THAT they are intolerant as shit, Ive lost freinds after the 2016 election because i "voted for hate"

You would like it if your core values and political ideals had no consequences, because you've found that close friends of yours find them repellent? And instead of thinking "hmmm, why don't I think about what my friends have to say, since I love and value them and want to find a way to stay connected to them," you just decided "fuck them, they're intolerant, my actions should never have consequences (for me)"?

I don't know, maybe you weren't voting for hate in the positive sense, but you were at least voting for hate to be an acceptable part of the package deal. Your vote had consequences for millions of strangers, but it shouldn't have any consequences for you in your close relationships?

[Federal States of Xathuecia]

Not bullshit, explicitly true, a great many liberals will refuse to associate with Trump supporters in any capacity if they can avoid it.

I do agree with THAT they are intolerant as shit, Ive lost freinds after the 2016 election because i "voted for hate"

I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, I get the fact that political views definitely can align differently for different people and I continue to be friends with conservatives and even Trumpies.

But at the same time, I also go to school with people with that other mentality and to an extent, I understand that its just unfathomable to some that people vote for him. And after certain policies like child separation were excused sooooo easily by Trumpies, I'm having my own doubts.

I've sorted of decided that if someone doesn't talk about it so much or make it their whole personality, I'm fine with them. But if its literally part of who they are, yeah no.

[Cisairse]

Is a 306 victory for Biden likely at this point?

290 is very likely. 306 is basically a coin-toss at this point, which is much better than it looked on Tuesday.