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2020 US General Election Thread XII: The End

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What's Your Opinion on The Election's Outcome

Mostly Good
94
21%
Good
84
19%
A Little of Both Good and Bad
125
28%
Meh
51
11%
Bad
46
10%
Very Bad
44
10%
 
Total votes : 444

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:41 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I want a 50-50 tie in the senate. Republicans would have to compromise to get anything done.

Or just obstruct everything and blame us

Tch. Y'all did the mail-in voter fraud, let the Republicans have some fun too
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:41 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Maybe time for a Speaker who isn't a member of the House. Absurd I know, but I've always wanted that loophole used!

I nominate myself for speaker!

While voting lawsuits, Trump's future actions, and potential chaos have the possibility of distrupting the election and delay the final result it past Jan 21. I see what you're trying to do :D

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Postby Nagakawa » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 pm

Bombadil wrote:
Greater Miami Shores wrote:Vote dumps 120 K votes entirely for former Vice President Joe Biden are impossible, not credible, assessed Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Heritage Foundation’s Election Law Reform Initiative

A Few Excerpts:
Marlow asked about reports of drastic spikes in vote counts for Joe Biden in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

“If those reports are correct, I don’t understand it. The way you do counting is you simply count all of the ballots,” Von Spakovsky said. “You don’t divide. They’re not divided up between the candidates. So the [precinct] reporting that’s coming in ought to be reporting of the total vote count, regardless of who it’s for. So again, if it’s confirmed that there are these weird reports coming out of votes only for one candidate and not the other,
you’ve got to question, what exactly is going on?”

Andy Swan:
The only thing we did on Election Day was tell them how many votes they needed on Election Night.
https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/132 ... ossible%2F

GMS: It really does sound very strange? 120,000 straight Biden votes reported? Andy Swan telling them how many votes they needed? Needed for what and why? Who agrees? Who disagrees?



This one batch of votes in Philadelphia has been picked up by some people, including a commentator on Fox News, as possible evidence of fraud. It’s not. According to Edison Research, which aggregates vote data for ABC News and other networks (and is the source of the data in question), sometimes election officials and vote aggregators unintentionally enter vote updates one candidate at a time, rather than entering all candidates together. Other candidates’ votes are then included in a subsequent batch.

That appears to be what happened here, and in the next update from Philadelphia, Trump got about double the share of votes that he was getting in the other updates from there during that stretch of time.


It's entirely explainable.


Oh, you haven't heard? Now we're doing that thing where if the results favour Biden, it's fraud, and if they favour Trump, it's very legal and very cool.
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Postby Albrenia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 pm

Looks like PA's down to about 53k difference now.

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Postby Bombadil » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
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Ah and here I was hoping GMS would keep his promise to accept the results


GMS will accept the results when Donald Trump accepts the results. You know that.


So.. never.

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Postby Cedoria » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Hoping that the more sane elements of the GOP start standing up to Trump's insanity.

They don't really need him anymore. They most likely control the Senate and have a highly conservative Supreme Court. Trump can also come back in 2024, assuming he doesn't flame out horribly during these next weeks.

He's flaming out horribly now.
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Postby Cultural Posadism » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:I actually see it the opposite: Democrats should have embraced left-wing socioeconomic populism. Polling may have been questionable on many things, but it clearly and consistently shows that Americans are very much to the left of both their major parties on many specific policy issues. But instead they wasted a lot of time, money and political capital on trying to court "moderate" Republicans with talk of civility, bipartisanship and unity.

That approach will only cause the Democrats to lose voters. More moderates would switch to Republican or Independent, or any other third party. And any immigrants coming from socialist countries such as cuba and venezuela would never support any Democrat as they see America becoming the very place they flee. Meanwhile all the progressives are already in democrat party, so there's nothing to gain on that end.

Again, though: the vast majority of Americans support "socialist" policies like Medicare-for-All. This week alone, almost two thirds of Floridians voted to increase the minimum wage while at the same time a slim majority of them voted for Trump. If you cut through all the partisan bullshit, all the many layers of discourse, propaganda and ideology, Americans as a whole are fairly progressive when it comes to policy.
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:42 pm

Resilient Acceleration wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I nominate myself for speaker!

While voting lawsuits, Trump's future actions, and potential chaos have the possibility of distrupting the election and delay the final result it past Jan 21. I see what you're trying to do :D

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I want a 50-50 tie in the senate. Republicans would have to compromise to get anything done.

Or just obstruct everything and blame us

a two year shutdown will harm their voters too.

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Postby Kowani » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Kowani wrote:Or just obstruct everything and blame us


I wonder which Mitch "Obama should literally never get to appoint a judge in his term" McConnell will pick.

hm i have no idea

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Or just obstruct everything and blame us

Tch. Y'all did the mail-in voter fraud, let the Republicans have some fun too

...are you serious or no
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Albrenia wrote:Yeah, Trumpists are just pulling out totally baseless junk to try to prove fraud. Even going so far as to burn sample ballots to make it look like Democrats were burning votes.


"So what we do is take some Trump ballots, then burn them just a bit so they can still be counted ... ouch, my fingers!"
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Postby Gravlen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

In Georgia, where Trump’s lead over Biden has shrunk to 3,486, only 18,936 ballots remain uncounted, according to Jordan Fuchs, the deputy secretary of state.
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Postby Dresderstan » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Resilient Acceleration wrote:While voting lawsuits, Trump's future actions, and potential chaos have the possibility of distrupting the election and delay the final result it past Jan 21. I see what you're trying to do :D

Nah that’s my job. Oh wait nevermind I’m SECDEF

Yeah your SECDEF, Lumen is Transport, anyone want Homeland Security?

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Postby Nagakawa » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Great Algerstonia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Or just obstruct everything and blame us

Tch. Y'all did the mail-in voter fraud, let the Republicans have some fun too


Yea I know right, I hate how the Democrats fucked the USPS over and set up fake ballot boxes all over California.
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Postby Telconi » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:
Telconi wrote:
Or here in CA, more gerrymandered.


Don't you have a citizen committee to draw boundaries?

Actually I suspect anything fair at all looks gerrymandered to you.


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Postby Greater Miami Shores » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Don't forget how badly gerrymandered the House map is to the Republicans' advantage. 2020 census will allow a lot of those maps to be redrawn to be more favourable.

Yes and people are forgetting this.

The US the census for deciding the electoral votes of the states and other issues legislations are affected by the census, needs to counts legal immigrants, not illegal immigrant persons, who agrees and who disagrees? GMS.
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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Nagakawa wrote:
Great Algerstonia wrote:Tch. Y'all did the mail-in voter fraud, let the Republicans have some fun too


Yea I know right, I hate how the Democrats fucked the USPS over and set up fake ballot boxes all over California.

They what.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:43 pm

Gravlen wrote:In Georgia, where Trump’s lead over Biden has shrunk to 3,486, only 18,936 ballots remain uncounted, according to Jordan Fuchs, the deputy secretary of state.

That's probubly not going to be enough to flip the state.

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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

Trump may be flipping Arizona. It's going to be extremely close.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

Dresderstan wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Nah that’s my job. Oh wait nevermind I’m SECDEF

Yeah your SECDEF, Lumen is Transport, anyone want Homeland Security?

we need to make this a role play somehow.

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Postby Heloin » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Heloin wrote:With San already with a position again I will state I am willing and ready to make that sacrifice.

I second speaker Heloin.

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Postby RiderSyl » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

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Postby Shrillland » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

Cisairse wrote:
Shrillland wrote:
I'm not seeing anything about the House anywhere. I still have 209-192 for the Democrats, I saw the tweet but they aren't saying where the other seats are.

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Actually, it's +6 for the Republicans, but WaPo isn't counting Grand Rapids as a flip for some reason, even though it's a flip from Libertarian to Republican.
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Postby Cedoria » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

Greater Miami Shores wrote:Vote dumps 120 K votes entirely for former Vice President Joe Biden are impossible, not credible, assessed Hans von Spakovsky, manager of the Heritage Foundation’s Election Law Reform Initiative

A Few Excerpts:
Marlow asked about reports of drastic spikes in vote counts for Joe Biden in the early hours of Wednesday morning.

“If those reports are correct, I don’t understand it. The way you do counting is you simply count all of the ballots,” Von Spakovsky said. “You don’t divide. They’re not divided up between the candidates. So the [precinct] reporting that’s coming in ought to be reporting of the total vote count, regardless of who it’s for. So again, if it’s confirmed that there are these weird reports coming out of votes only for one candidate and not the other,
you’ve got to question, what exactly is going on?”

Andy Swan:
The only thing we did on Election Day was tell them how many votes they needed on Election Night.
https://twitter.com/AndySwan/status/132 ... ossible%2F

GMS: It really does sound very strange? 120,000 straight Biden votes reported? Andy Swan telling them how many votes they needed? Needed for what and why? Who agrees? Who disagrees?



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Postby San Lumen » Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:44 pm

Eukaryotic Cells wrote:Trump may be flipping Arizona. It's going to be extremely close.

On what basis?

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