Is voting useless in the US?

[Cordel One]

I wouldn't vote for you

Based on what you have told us, i don't think he/she would have to worry about your vote.

No, they wouldn't. My vote is insignifiant.

[Cordel One]

It is insignificant, and I am active politically. The thing is that I'm not deluded by party politics.

Do you know what the city council does or do you think only the president or other executive matters?

Yes, I've even watched a few meetings.

I wouldn't vote for you

Why because im not far left enough and because I think compromise is a good thing?

That and you're a partisan hack.

[San Lumen]

Based on what you have told us, i don't think he/she would have to worry about your vote.

No, they wouldn't. My vote is insignifiant.

Im sorry every election isn't decided by one vote. if more people had your attitude the senate wouldn't have flipped

Do you know what the city council does or do you think only the president or other executive matters?

Yes, I've even watched a few meetings.

Why because im not far left enough and because I think compromise is a good thing?

That and you're a partisan hack.

If you did you wouldnt call them insignificant. The city council has a big impact.

How am I a partisan hack?

[San Montalbano]

Imagine calling someone a hack while spending the last page talking about how other people need to do the work to have a revolution.

[Cordel One]

No, they wouldn't. My vote is insignifiant.

Im sorry every election isn't decided by one vote. if more people had your attitude the senate wouldn't have flipped

Bourgeois electoralism is ridden with propaganda.

Yes, I've even watched a few meetings.


That and you're a partisan hack.

If you did you wouldnt call them insignificant. The city council has a big impact.

They can slightly impact insignificant things.

How am I a partisan hack?

You're so loyal to the party that the Democrats can do almost no wrong and morality and reason mean nothing.

[Cordel One]

Imagine calling someone a hack while spending the last page talking about how other people need to do the work to have a revolution.

We all need to do the work to have a revolution.

[San Lumen]

Im sorry every election isn't decided by one vote. if more people had your attitude the senate wouldn't have flipped

Bourgeois electoralism is ridden with propaganda.

If you did you wouldnt call them insignificant. The city council has a big impact.

They can slightly impact insignificant things.

How am I a partisan hack?

You're so loyal to the party that the Democrats can do almost no wrong and morality and reason mean nothing.

Explain how city council is insignificant.

I never said Democrats can do no wrong. I hate our Governor and will never vote for him again. If he wins the primary again I will vote third party.

[San Montalbano]

Imagine calling someone a hack while spending the last page talking about how other people need to do the work to have a revolution.

We all need to do the work to have a revolution.

I mean you do you, my side has it's own interests.

[Cybus1]

The 2020 US election has so far failed to materialise the changes that were expected. Therefore, I wanted to ask: is voting useless in the US for change and progressivism? Will people finally realise the futility of electoralism there, and begin to use methods of direct action such as general strike and disruption? Or do you still believe that voting isn't useless in their system?

I've argued that voting in the US has been useless for some time due to the broken and outdated electoral system, although I didn't post this yesterday to avoid accusations that I'm a Russian spy/Chinese saboteur/Kim Yo-Jung. I think the only way forward would be direct action such as large scale nonviolent protests and strikes. But that is my opinion, and I want to ask you in the words of comrade Lenin, "what is to be done?"

...what changes were expected and by whom? The President hasn’t even been sworn in yet!
Voting is not useless because you failed to achieve whatever likely unrealistic goals you wish to have implemented. Voting gives everyone a voice. The voice may not be heard as loudly if they vote in a state where the bulk of the population votes a different way, but the voice is heard nonetheless; they can also tip the balance, like in Georgia, which I doubt people expected to go blue.

[Cordel One]

Bourgeois electoralism is ridden with propaganda.


They can slightly impact insignificant things.


You're so loyal to the party that the Democrats can do almost no wrong and morality and reason mean nothing.

Explain how city council is insignificant.

They haven't significantly canged the region or the lives of anyone around here.

I never said Democrats can do no wrong. I hate our Governor and will never vote for him again. If he wins the primary again I will vote third party.

Yet you won't say a single thing that seriously objects to Biden or the Democrat section of Congress, and you tend to turn a blind eye to the war crimes they commit.

[San Lumen]

Explain how city council is insignificant.

They haven't significantly canged the region or the lives of anyone around here.

I never said Democrats can do no wrong. I hate our Governor and will never vote for him again. If he wins the primary again I will vote third party.

Yet you won't say a single thing that seriously objects to Biden or the Democrat section of Congress, and you tend to turn a blind eye to the war crimes they commit.

Im sorry they arent; dictators or sorcerers and change everything immediately.

There are some democrats in Congress I don't like. War crimes aren't my sole focus unlike you.

[Cordel One]

They haven't significantly canged the region or the lives of anyone around here.


Yet you won't say a single thing that seriously objects to Biden or the Democrat section of Congress, and you tend to turn a blind eye to the war crimes they commit.

Im sorry they arent; dictators or sorcerers and change everything immediately.

There are some democrats in Congress I don't like. War crimes aren't my sole focus unlike you.

I have a few other focuses, but massacring people in foreign countries is a big deal.

[San Lumen]

Im sorry they arent; dictators or sorcerers and change everything immediately.

There are some democrats in Congress I don't like. War crimes aren't my sole focus unlike you.

I have a few other focuses, but massacring people in foreign countries is a big deal.

Why is this the sole thing you focus on?

I seems you have this notion that someone in office is a sorcerer who can change things overnight.

[Cordel One]

I have a few other focuses, but massacring people in foreign countries is a big deal.

Why is this the sole thing you focus on?

Not the sole thing, but it is extremely important to me.

seems you have this notion that someone in office is a sorcerer who can change things overnight.

I don't, I think they're corporate puppets in a corporate bureaucracy.

[San Lumen]

Why is this the sole thing you focus on?

Not the sole thing, but it is extremely important to me.

seems you have this notion that someone in office is a sorcerer who can change things overnight.

I don't, I think they're corporate puppets in a corporate bureaucracy.

And how do you expect this to change even though its not true? Every mayor and city council member is corporate puppets too?

Constantly whining and complaining while magically change it?

[Cordel One]

Not the sole thing, but it is extremely important to me.


I don't, I think they're corporate puppets in a corporate bureaucracy.

And how do you expect this to change even though its not true? Every mayor and city council member is corporate puppets too?

Constantly whining and complaining while magically change it?

I have time to whine and do praxis.

[San Lumen]

And how do you expect this to change even though its not true? Every mayor and city council member is corporate puppets too?

Constantly whining and complaining while magically change it?

I have time to whine and do praxis.

what are you doing to change it?

[The Lone Alliance]

After spending several pages explaining to you why this is a shit suggestion, you still suggest it.

Because its not. A 33 year old man with no political experience is now a US senator.

And that 33 year old man will accomplish absolutely nothing of value as a US senator with an idea of his own, he will do what he is told by his betters because he has no political experience, you could have replaced that 33 year old man with a cardboard cut out and gotten the same level of competence.

[Sanghyeok]

If you did you wouldnt call them insignificant. The city council has a big impact.

How am I a partisan hack?

You tend to defend everything your party does, and be hypocritical as well.

[Fahran]

Broke: Elections are good because they reflect the popular will.

Woke: Elections are bad because they haven't given us Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism.

Bespoke: Elections are meh because democracy isn't an intrinsic moral good and the broader impact on society and on the political process is largely dependent on how social mores, attitudes, and institutions interact.

Oncoke: I just want Salazar back, anon.

[San Lumen]

Because its not. A 33 year old man with no political experience is now a US senator.

And that 33 year old man will accomplish absolutely nothing of value as a US senator with an idea of his own, he will do what he is told by his betters because he has no political experience, you could have replaced that 33 year old man with a cardboard cut out and gotten the same level of competence.

Complete and utter rubbish. You display total ignorance at how the system works.

[Sanghyeok]

And that 33 year old man will accomplish absolutely nothing of value as a US senator with an idea of his own, he will do what he is told by his betters because he has no political experience, you could have replaced that 33 year old man with a cardboard cut out and gotten the same level of competence.

Complete and utter rubbish. You display total ignorance at how the system works.

You can't just dismiss everyone's evidence as "rubbish" and "ignorance."

[Sanghyeok]

Not the sole thing, but it is extremely important to me.


I don't, I think they're corporate puppets in a corporate bureaucracy.

And how do you expect this to change even though its not true? Every mayor and city council member is corporate puppets too?

Constantly whining and complaining while magically change it?

Knowing Cordel, they've probably done more for working people in their area than their local representatives combined. There's time to read theory, time to complain, time to vote, and time to participate in direct action too. Not a single leftist (except perhaps the most utopian) believe change can be instant or magical, but we are rightfully disappointed with the state of politics in most liberal democracies.

[San Lumen]

Complete and utter rubbish. You display total ignorance at how the system works.

You can't just dismiss everyone's evidence as "rubbish" and "ignorance."

Your not presenting any evidence expect whining about how your preferred candidates don’t always win and sorcery isn’t performed to change things overnight.

And how do you expect this to change even though its not true? Every mayor and city council member is corporate puppets too?

Constantly whining and complaining while magically change it?

Knowing Cordel, they've probably done more for working people in their area than their local representatives combined. There's time to read theory, time to complain, time to vote, and time to participate in direct action too. Not a single leftist (except perhaps the most utopian) believe change can be instant or magical, but we are rightfully disappointed with the state of politics in almost all liberal democracies.

I have doubts they’ve done anything.

[Sanghyeok]

You can't just dismiss everyone's evidence as "rubbish" and "ignorance."

Your not presenting any evidence expect whining about how your preferred candidates don’t always win and sorcery isn’t performed to change things overnight.

Cordel and others have presented more than enough evidence, which you dismissed despite it coming from your favourite source when it bashes your enemies in red. And I'm very well aware sorcery doesn't exist, even if I do wish Sailor Moon existed.

Knowing Cordel, they've probably done more for working people in their area than their local representatives combined. There's time to read theory, time to complain, time to vote, and time to participate in direct action too. Not a single leftist (except perhaps the most utopian) believe change can be instant or magical, but we are rightfully disappointed with the state of politics in almost all liberal democracies.

I have doubts they’ve done anything.

They've probably participated in direct action and education. What have you done besides defending your friends in blue kits by excusing their war crimes, ignoring inaction to combat poverty, and supporting their performative activism?