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Postby Sanghyeok » Mon Dec 07, 2020 3:14 pm

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Just be happy you're not Japan. I think I'll cheer when the LDP is finally gone.

Is dissatisfaction increasing with the pandemic and worsening climate?


There were many people supporting an LDP politician who said transgender people were mentally ill and women lie about rape for attention a month ago, so I doubt it.
Anyways, maybe we should return to topic.
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Postby -Astoria- » Mon Dec 07, 2020 9:23 pm

Well, in a two-party system, pretty much.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon Dec 07, 2020 10:25 pm

-Astoria- wrote:Well, in a two-party system, pretty much.


True. A two party system in reality is after all a one party system - both will have to be close together to "swing the middle".
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:19 pm

It is where I live.
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Postby Kostemetsia » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:33 pm

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Postby Odreria » Mon Dec 07, 2020 11:55 pm

Certain types of voting are often useless, but local government is usually more worth voting on.
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Postby The Iron Lands » Tue Dec 08, 2020 3:58 am

I don't think voting in the US is useless because it is a way for me to show one of my freedoms. It shows that I am able to vote for who I think will do a great job in leading this country. It may seem like just one vote, but collectively it is everyone who voted for the same candidate. One thing I do find annoying about voting is how much it is always advertised. I understand maybe a couple of weeks before the election, but it seemed like it was going on for months. Every person on social media was posting about it and it made the election less exciting.

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Postby Western Fardelshufflestein » Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:47 am

The Iron Lands wrote:I don't think voting in the US is useless because it is a way for me to show one of my freedoms. It shows that I am able to vote for who I think will do a great job in leading this country. It may seem like just one vote, but collectively it is everyone who voted for the same candidate. One thing I do find annoying about voting is how much it is always advertised. I understand maybe a couple of weeks before the election, but it seemed like it was going on for months. Every person on social media was posting about it and it made the election less exciting.

This year, literally everyone was like, "gO vOtE!" to the point that my anxiety was ramped to 10000. I was like, "shuddap, you can't tell me what to do--it's a responsibility, not a duty, pezent."
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 7:51 am

Salus Maior wrote:It is where I live.

No it isn’t. Every vote matters in every election.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:It is where I live.

No it isn’t. Every vote matters in every election.


Weren't you arguing that it didn't just some time ago?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:27 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No it isn’t. Every vote matters in every election.


Weren't you arguing that it didn't just some time ago?


when did I say it didn't?

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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:30 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Weren't you arguing that it didn't just some time ago?


when did I say it didn't?


I might be wrong, but weren't you arguing against the electoral college?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:30 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
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when did I say it didn't?


I might be wrong, but weren't you arguing against the electoral college?


Yes but that doesn't mean voting is completely useless. There are other elections besides president.
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Postby Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:31 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
when did I say it didn't?


I might be wrong, but weren't you arguing against the electoral college?

You do realize that the presidential elections aren’t the only federal elections in the US, even disregarding the fact that federal elections aren’t the only type of elections either.

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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:36 pm

Adamede wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I might be wrong, but weren't you arguing against the electoral college?

You do realize that the presidential elections aren’t the only federal elections in the US, even disregarding the fact that federal elections aren’t the only type of elections either.


I know, my point was that San Lumen claimed "every vote in every election" matters.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:38 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Adamede wrote:You do realize that the presidential elections aren’t the only federal elections in the US, even disregarding the fact that federal elections aren’t the only type of elections either.


I know, my point was that San Lumen claimed "every vote in every election" matters.


It does.

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Postby Adamede » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:40 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Adamede wrote:You do realize that the presidential elections aren’t the only federal elections in the US, even disregarding the fact that federal elections aren’t the only type of elections either.


I know, my point was that San Lumen claimed "every vote in every election" matters.

It does.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Sanghyeok wrote:
I know, my point was that San Lumen claimed "every vote in every election" matters.


It does.

Republicans living in DC would certainly disagree.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:53 pm

Kowani wrote:
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It does.

Republicans living in DC would certainly disagree.


Therefore they shouldnt bother? Their vote still matters. Albany my state;'s capital has a mayoral and city council election next year. No Republican has won any position in the city since the early 1930s.

That doesn't mean Republicans shouldnt vote. No vote is not unimportant.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:Republicans living in DC would certainly disagree.


Therefore they shouldnt bother?

No.
Their vote still matters.
Mathematically speaking, no.
Albany my state;'s capital has a mayoral and city council election next year. No Republican has won any position in the city since the early 1930s.

That doesn't mean Republicans shouldnt vote. No vote is not unimportant.

It does. Votes that are destined to lose can be important in certain circumstances.
But New York is not one of those.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 12:56 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore they shouldnt bother?

No.
Their vote still matters.
Mathematically speaking, no.
Albany my state;'s capital has a mayoral and city council election next year. No Republican has won any position in the city since the early 1930s.

That doesn't mean Republicans shouldnt vote. No vote is not unimportant.

It does. Votes that are destined to lose can be important in certain circumstances.
But New York is not one of those.


It doesn't matter where you are. Your vote matters regardless of what the election is for.

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Postby Kowani » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:02 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:No.
Mathematically speaking, no.

It does. Votes that are destined to lose can be important in certain circumstances.
But New York is not one of those.


It doesn't matter where you are. Your vote matters regardless of what the election is for.

Have you considered addressing my arguments?
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:12 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Salus Maior wrote:It is where I live.

No it isn’t. Every vote matters in every election.


Oh thanks, I guess my 3rd party vote in the solid blue state of NY suddenly matters now.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:13 pm

Kowani wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
It doesn't matter where you are. Your vote matters regardless of what the election is for.

Have you considered addressing my arguments?


Yes and I don't understand you point. What are the circumstances where a vote matters to you? Is the example I gave not one of them?

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Dec 08, 2020 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kowani wrote:No.
Mathematically speaking, no.

It does. Votes that are destined to lose can be important in certain circumstances.
But New York is not one of those.


It doesn't matter where you are. Your vote matters regardless of what the election is for.

Even Republicans in California?
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