Which religion is correct?

[Insaanistan]

Uh... Islam is the fastest growing religion, the second largest religion (set to be the largest in a couple decades), and Muhammad is the most popular name in the world. It’s not dying.

Good luck dealing with Christian Africa, the root and rock of Christianity for the paganized West. And, hey, what is the punishment your "Prophet" requires for apostasy from Islam?

Also, Islam is growing in Africa, not shrinking.

[Far Kia]

Every religion is correct in their own religious ways

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

How is Islam dying? Seriously..

Who converts to it vs. how many leave it for the embrace of the loving God of Christianity?

I do agree that there are more people who convert from Islam to Christianity than vice versa. However there are also more people who deconvert from Christianity compared to seculars who convert to it.

There isn’t much to say since none of you guys actually worry about my concern. Sincere and honest people can actually be factually inaccurate and can cause a lot of harm. A pure heart does not necessarily lead to beneficial outcome.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Good luck dealing with Christian Africa, the root and rock of Christianity for the paganized West. And, hey, what is the punishment your "Prophet" requires for apostasy from Islam?

Literally nothing, actually.

That’s not true. Don’t pretend that execution of male apostates does not exist in all major fiqhs.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Every religion is correct in their own religious ways

Which does not actually address the religious question at all. Your stance ironically is only practical if atheism or deism is factually accurate.

In reality we only have such luxury if atheism or deism is factually accurate. There is Christianity which condemns all non-Christians (as well as Christians of “wrong” sects) to hell. There is Islam which condemns all non-Muslims (as well as Muslims of “wrong” sects) to hell. Neither proclaimed deity is willing to reveal Himself and resolve religious disputes. Hence if either religion could be factually accurate most humans have been hopelessly damned to hell as soon as they were born. Of course if some other religion is factually accurate then by definition Christianity and Islam both qualifies as blasphemy since they both consider other religions the most serious sin and elimination of other religions great virtues. Good luck humanity. What a cruel world it is!!!!!!!

[Insaanistan]

Who converts to it vs. how many leave it for the embrace of the loving God of Christianity?

I do agree that there are more people who convert from Islam to Christianity than vice versa. However there are also more people who deconvert from Christianity compared to seculars who convert to it.

There isn’t much to say since none of you guys actually worry about my concern. Sincere and honest people can actually be factually inaccurate and can cause a lot of harm. A pure heart does not necessarily lead to beneficial outcome.

No, not even the first point is right. I’ve argued with someone like him before, only he was an Orthodox Serb.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I do agree that there are more people who convert from Islam to Christianity than vice versa. However there are also more people who deconvert from Christianity compared to seculars who convert to it.

There isn’t much to say since none of you guys actually worry about my concern. Sincere and honest people can actually be factually inaccurate and can cause a lot of harm. A pure heart does not necessarily lead to beneficial outcome.

No, not even the first point is right. I’ve argued with someone like him before, only he was an Orthodox Serb.

Oh? Please provide stats then.

[Insaanistan]

Literally nothing, actually.

That’s not true. Don’t pretend that execution of male apostates does not exist in all major fiqhs.

I’m not pretending it doesn’t. There’s no validity in the hadiths, however, and there has been debates for centuries as to whether or not said fiqhs should say that as, again, it has no scriptural basis.

[Insaanistan]

No, not even the first point is right. I’ve argued with someone like him before, only he was an Orthodox Serb.

Oh? Please provide stats then.

Sure. Just as soon as I find them. If I’m wrong, I’ll let you guys know, but as far as I know, I’m right.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Oh? Please provide stats then.

Sure. Just as soon as I find them. If I’m wrong, I’ll let you guys know, but as far as I know, I’m right.

That’s not evidence. Please provide it or I won’t accept it.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s not true. Don’t pretend that execution of male apostates does not exist in all major fiqhs.

I’m not pretending it doesn’t. There’s no validity in the hadiths, however, and there has been debates for centuries as to whether or not said fiqhs should say that as, again, it has no scriptural basis.

Most Muslims are not Qur’an-only.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I think this repost is a necessity.

Every religion is correct in their own religious ways

Which does not actually address the religious question at all. Your stance ironically is only practical if atheism or deism is factually accurate.

In reality we only have such luxury if atheism or deism is factually accurate. There is Christianity which condemns all non-Christians (as well as Christians of “wrong” sects) to hell. There is Islam which condemns all non-Muslims (as well as Muslims of “wrong” sects) to hell. Neither proclaimed deity is willing to reveal Himself and resolve religious disputes (which can actually save a lot of people from hell). Hence if either religion could be factually accurate most humans have been hopelessly damned to hell as soon as they were born. Of course if some other religion is factually accurate then by definition Christianity and Islam both qualifies as blasphemy since they both consider other religions the most serious sin and elimination of other religions great virtues. Good luck humanity. What a cruel world it is!!!!!!!

Conclusion: Don’t ever have children if you don’t want them to go to hell. There is a reason why despite Darwinism being harsh it is actually a comparatively optimistic view of the universe. At least aliens probably can’t and won’t damn humans to hell.

[Insaanistan]

Sure. Just as soon as I find them. If I’m wrong, I’ll let you guys know, but as far as I know, I’m right.

That’s not evidence. Please provide it or I won’t accept it.

My exact words were “just as soon as I find them”.
I’m literally saying “when I find sources, I will provide them,”
In any case, I came here to say nothing is really saying more Muslims become Christians than Christians become Muslims or vice versa. Just secular and Muslim sources talking about how Islam is the fastest growing religion and about why so many Latinos become Muslim, and then random Christian sites anonymously claiming Christianity is the fastest growing and Muslims are “finding Jesus”.

[Insaanistan]

I’m not pretending it doesn’t. There’s no validity in the hadiths, however, and there has been debates for centuries as to whether or not said fiqhs should say that as, again, it has no scriptural basis.

Most Muslims are not Qur’an-only.

I just said there’s no validity in the hadiths, as in the hadiths used to justify this have little to no validity.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

I think this repost is a necessity.

Every religion is correct in their own religious ways

In reality we only have such luxury if atheism or deism is factually accurate. There is Christianity which condemns all non-Christians (as well as Christians of “wrong” sects) to hell. There is Islam which condemns all non-Muslims (as well as Muslims of “wrong” sects) to hell. Neither proclaimed deity is willing to reveal Himself and resolve religious disputes (which can actually save a lot of people from hell). Hence if either religion could be factually accurate most humans have been hopelessly damned to hell as soon as they were born. Of course if some other religion is factually accurate then by definition Christianity and Islam both qualifies as blasphemy since they both consider other religions the most serious sin and elimination of other religions great virtues. Good luck humanity. What a cruel world it is!!!!!!!

Conclusion: Don’t ever have children if you don’t want them to go to hell. There is a reason why despite Darwinism being harsh it is actually a comparatively optimistic view of the universe. At least aliens probably can’t and won’t damn humans to hell.

I never understood the merciless nature of condemning people of other faiths to Hell who haven't had a chance to bear a testimony. If dead babies can go to heaven and dogs stay at Rainbow Bridge, why can't the isolated or the righteous brought up in other faiths? This is why I believe in the Plan of Salvation and similar LDS concepts of the afterlife as comparatively, they are much more merciful and make more logical sense than essentially condemning innocents or otherwise pure people to eternal suffering for "choosing wrong".

[Adamede]

That’s not evidence. Please provide it or I won’t accept it.

My exact words were “just as soon as I find them”.
I’m literally saying “when I find sources, I will provide them,”
In any case, I came here to say nothing is really saying more Muslims become Christians than Christians become Muslims or vice versa. Just secular and Muslim sources talking about how Islam is the fastest growing religion and about why so many Latinos become Muslim, and then random Christian sites anonymously claiming Christianity is the fastest growing and Muslims are “finding Jesus”.

Pretty sure the main reason for the growth of Islam has more to do with huh birth rates of Muslims than it does with conversions.

[Insaanistan]

I think this repost is a necessity.



In reality we only have such luxury if atheism or deism is factually accurate. There is Christianity which condemns all non-Christians (as well as Christians of “wrong” sects) to hell. There is Islam which condemns all non-Muslims (as well as Muslims of “wrong” sects) to hell. Neither proclaimed deity is willing to reveal Himself and resolve religious disputes (which can actually save a lot of people from hell). Hence if either religion could be factually accurate most humans have been hopelessly damned to hell as soon as they were born. Of course if some other religion is factually accurate then by definition Christianity and Islam both qualifies as blasphemy since they both consider other religions the most serious sin and elimination of other religions great virtues. Good luck humanity. What a cruel world it is!!!!!!!

Conclusion: Don’t ever have children if you don’t want them to go to hell. There is a reason why despite Darwinism being harsh it is actually a comparatively optimistic view of the universe. At least aliens probably can’t and won’t damn humans to hell.

I never understood the merciless nature of condemning people of other faiths to Hell who haven't had a chance to bear a testimony. If dead babies can go to heaven and dogs stay at Rainbow Bridge, why can't the isolated or the righteous brought up in other faiths? This is why I believe in the Plan of Salvation and similar LDS concepts of the afterlife as comparatively, they are much more merciful and make more logical sense than essentially condemning innocents or otherwise pure people to eternal suffering for "choosing wrong".

Islam doesn’t actually condemn you to hell for not being Muslim.

[Spiritual Republic of Caryton]

I never understood the merciless nature of condemning people of other faiths to Hell who haven't had a chance to bear a testimony. If dead babies can go to heaven and dogs stay at Rainbow Bridge, why can't the isolated or the righteous brought up in other faiths? This is why I believe in the Plan of Salvation and similar LDS concepts of the afterlife as comparatively, they are much more merciful and make more logical sense than essentially condemning innocents or otherwise pure people to eternal suffering for "choosing wrong".

Islam doesn’t actually condemn you to hell for not being Muslim.

Oh? Please educate me, I'm intrigued. I haven't studied much about Islam aside from the pillars, Ramadan, and Muhammad-- essentially the brief glance it gets during AP World History.

[Adamede]

I never understood the merciless nature of condemning people of other faiths to Hell who haven't had a chance to bear a testimony. If dead babies can go to heaven and dogs stay at Rainbow Bridge, why can't the isolated or the righteous brought up in other faiths? This is why I believe in the Plan of Salvation and similar LDS concepts of the afterlife as comparatively, they are much more merciful and make more logical sense than essentially condemning innocents or otherwise pure people to eternal suffering for "choosing wrong".

Islam doesn’t actually condemn you to hell for not being Muslim.

And if you’re a pagan?

[Insaanistan]

Islam doesn’t actually condemn you to hell for not being Muslim.

Oh? Please educate me, I'm intrigued. I haven't studied much about Islam aside from the pillars, Ramadan, and Muhammad-- essentially the brief glance it gets during AP World History.

Islam basically says only by God’s mercy does anyone go to heaven. Good people go to heaven of any faith provided they knew nothing about Islam or were misinformed about Islam. Bad people who claim to be Muslim don’t go to heaven.

Now, here we run into something the Qur’ân leaves a bit unclear: if someone is informed about Islam the right way, what happens to them.
There are three main opinions:
No non-Muslims who know about Islam accurately go to heaven

They’ll go to heaven if they are People of the Book/Ahl al-Kitaab, specifically Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and Middle Eastern monotheist (many extend this idea to ALL monotheists, including Sikhs, “educated” Hindus, and others)

And finally, the idea all paths lead to God, so good people of all religions will go to heaven (some extend this idea to atheists and irreligious people, too.)

Why would God make this so obscure? Maybe to drive home a point made in the Qur’ân: you can’t just go around telling people they’re going to hell!

[Insaanistan]

Islam doesn’t actually condemn you to hell for not being Muslim.

And if you’re a pagan?

Explained in the post I just made.

[Baloo Kingdom]

Oh? Please educate me, I'm intrigued. I haven't studied much about Islam aside from the pillars, Ramadan, and Muhammad-- essentially the brief glance it gets during AP World History.

Islam basically says only by God’s mercy does anyone go to heaven. Good people go to heaven of any faith provided they knew nothing about Islam or were misinformed about Islam. Bad people who claim to be Muslim don’t go to heaven.

Now, here we run into something the Qur’ân leaves a bit unclear: if someone is informed about Islam the right way, what happens to them.
There are three main opinions:
No non-Muslims who know about Islam accurately go to heaven

They’ll go to heaven if they are People of the Book/Ahl al-Kitaab, specifically Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and Middle Eastern monotheist (many extend this idea to ALL monotheists, including Sikhs, “educated” Hindus, and others)

And finally, the idea all paths lead to God, so good people of all religions will go to heaven (some extend this idea to atheists and irreligious people, too.)

Why would God make this so obscure? Maybe to drive home a point made in the Qur’ân: you can’t just go around telling people they’re going to hell!

Woah, I had no idea that Christians, assuming Islam is the correct religion, would be saved.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I think this repost is a necessity.



In reality we only have such luxury if atheism or deism is factually accurate. There is Christianity which condemns all non-Christians (as well as Christians of “wrong” sects) to hell. There is Islam which condemns all non-Muslims (as well as Muslims of “wrong” sects) to hell. Neither proclaimed deity is willing to reveal Himself and resolve religious disputes (which can actually save a lot of people from hell). Hence if either religion could be factually accurate most humans have been hopelessly damned to hell as soon as they were born. Of course if some other religion is factually accurate then by definition Christianity and Islam both qualifies as blasphemy since they both consider other religions the most serious sin and elimination of other religions great virtues. Good luck humanity. What a cruel world it is!!!!!!!

Conclusion: Don’t ever have children if you don’t want them to go to hell. There is a reason why despite Darwinism being harsh it is actually a comparatively optimistic view of the universe. At least aliens probably can’t and won’t damn humans to hell.

I never understood the merciless nature of condemning people of other faiths to Hell who haven't had a chance to bear a testimony. If dead babies can go to heaven and dogs stay at Rainbow Bridge, why can't the isolated or the righteous brought up in other faiths? This is why I believe in the Plan of Salvation and similar LDS concepts of the afterlife as comparatively, they are much more merciful and make more logical sense than essentially condemning innocents or otherwise pure people to eternal suffering for "choosing wrong".

It actually suits both Darwinian nature and a literal reading of the Bible pretty well. Does it really matter whether infants not of Noahide ancestry are actually morally evil in any way? According to the Bible they were rightfully killed anyway. Was every single Amalekite involved in any crime against Israelites? Nope? Does that really matter? In Darwinism it is the same. Does it really even matter whether Neanderthals have larger brains than Cro-Magnons?

I’m not genetically Jewish in anyway. Yet both Abrahamic religions de jure and Darwinian nature de facto have a special place for the Jewish people. Does it really matter that a given antisemite could genuinely believe that they are really chosen / superior but end up being destroyed either by Hashem or nature for the illogical opposition to Jews and Israel? Maybe Judaism is actually factually accurate and there is actually a supernatural punishment for any kind of gentile antisemitic behavior. No matter how devoted you are in Christianity or Islam if you don’t like Jewish people you get things such as serious poverty and Black Death. I mean, poverty and ignorance do correlate with lack of Jewish people. Maybe the cause of the phenomenon is natural. Maybe it isn’t. It does clearly exist though.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Oh? Please educate me, I'm intrigued. I haven't studied much about Islam aside from the pillars, Ramadan, and Muhammad-- essentially the brief glance it gets during AP World History.

Islam basically says only by God’s mercy does anyone go to heaven. Good people go to heaven of any faith provided they knew nothing about Islam or were misinformed about Islam. Bad people who claim to be Muslim don’t go to heaven.

Now, here we run into something the Qur’ân leaves a bit unclear: if someone is informed about Islam the right way, what happens to them.
There are three main opinions:
No non-Muslims who know about Islam accurately go to heaven

They’ll go to heaven if they are People of the Book/Ahl al-Kitaab, specifically Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and Middle Eastern monotheist (many extend this idea to ALL monotheists, including Sikhs, “educated” Hindus, and others)

And finally, the idea all paths lead to God, so good people of all religions will go to heaven (some extend this idea to atheists and irreligious people, too.)

Why would God make this so obscure? Maybe to drive home a point made in the Qur’ân: you can’t just go around telling people they’re going to hell!

I find it odd Zoroastrians are considered people of the book when the only Iranian Zoroastrian we've had on the forum was very insistent it was inherently polytheistic and associated himself more with pagans than followers of the Abrahamic faiths.

[Insaanistan]

Islam basically says only by God’s mercy does anyone go to heaven. Good people go to heaven of any faith provided they knew nothing about Islam or were misinformed about Islam. Bad people who claim to be Muslim don’t go to heaven.

Now, here we run into something the Qur’ân leaves a bit unclear: if someone is informed about Islam the right way, what happens to them.
There are three main opinions:
No non-Muslims who know about Islam accurately go to heaven

They’ll go to heaven if they are People of the Book/Ahl al-Kitaab, specifically Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians and Middle Eastern monotheist (many extend this idea to ALL monotheists, including Sikhs, “educated” Hindus, and others)

And finally, the idea all paths lead to God, so good people of all religions will go to heaven (some extend this idea to atheists and irreligious people, too.)

Why would God make this so obscure? Maybe to drive home a point made in the Qur’ân: you can’t just go around telling people they’re going to hell!

I find it odd Zoroastrians are considered people of the book when the only Iranian Zoroastrian we've had on the forum was very insistent it was inherently polytheistic and associated himself more with pagans than followers of the Abrahamic faiths.

Some Zoroastrians claim to be polytheists, but most do not.