Which religion is correct?

[Talatorrum]

I believe in death worship and that the supreme being shares my thoughts about the world and has therefore gifted the power of death to the righteous.

[Vetalia]

What’s your evidence for such a claim?

Why would people lie about something like this and waste enormous amounts of time writing about and spreading it when it was so radically against everything that existed before? And on top of that, why would so many people be willing to die for it for centuries after the event?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

What’s your evidence for such a claim?

Why would people lie about something like this and waste enormous amounts of time writing about and spreading it when it was so radically against everything that existed before? And on top of that, why would so many people be willing to die for it for centuries after the event?

There are also Muslims, Hindus etc who die for their religions. It is impossible for Christianity and Islam to both be factually accurate. Hence if your argument can prove Christianity it can also prove Islam and a contradiction ensues.

I’m not saying that Christianity is necessarily factually incorrect. Your argument does not prove it though.

[Vetalia]

There are also Muslims, Hindus etc who die for their religions. It is impossible for Christianity and Islam to both be factually accurate.

But did they die for it for centuries prior to it being accepted? Many of the Christian martyrs died under intense persecution hundreds of years before the Roman Empire adopted Christianity. But you also have to ask yourself why did Jewish people, for whom this concept is radical and unusual believe in the Resurrection of the Christ?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

There are also Muslims, Hindus etc who die for their religions. It is impossible for Christianity and Islam to both be factually accurate.

But did they die for it for centuries prior to it being accepted? Many of the Christian martyrs died under intense persecution hundreds of years before the Roman Empire adopted Christianity.

I agree. That does not make it factually accurate. All it showed is that a lot of Christians were sincere.

There are also Jewish people who believe that Rebbe Menachem Schneerson of Chabad-Lubavitch is still alive and is the Mashiach.

[Vetalia]

But did they die for it for centuries prior to it being accepted? Many of the Christian martyrs died under intense persecution hundreds of years before the Roman Empire adopted Christianity.

I agree. That does not make it factually accurate. All it showed is that a lot of Christians were sincere.

The crucifixion of Jesus is historical fact.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I agree. That does not make it factually accurate. All it showed is that a lot of Christians were sincere.

The crucifixion of Jesus is historical fact.

That’s actually likely true due to Josephus and Tacitus especially the latter as a hostile witness. But was the resurrection a fact? Is Menachem Schneerson alive or not? People can be mistaken. There are Chabad Messianists out there who believe he has resurrected. That does not make it true.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Religion is actually a very serious issue no matter what one’s stance on it is since everything else is dependent on it. This is why I suggest that we begin to compile religious claims and find a way to test them for factual accuracy.

[Vetalia]

The crucifixion of Jesus is historical fact.

That’s actually likely true due to Josephus and Tacitus especially the latter as a hostile witness. But was the resurrection a fact? Is Menachem Schneerson alive or not? People can be mistaken. There are Chabad Messianists out there who believe he has resurrected. That does not make it true.

How many people could be wrong? The 1st century AD wasn't exactly the Dark Ages, it was one of the most prosperous and interconnected periods in history prior to today.

Fact is, a Man was crucified, rose from the dead in complete contradiction to Jewish theology, and ascended to heaven attested by contemporary witnesses.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s actually likely true due to Josephus and Tacitus especially the latter as a hostile witness. But was the resurrection a fact? Is Menachem Schneerson alive or not? People can be mistaken. There are Chabad Messianists out there who believe he has resurrected. That does not make it true.

How many people could be wrong? The 1st century AD wasn't exactly the Dark Ages, it was one of the most prosperous and interconnected periods in history prior to today.

Fact is, a Man was crucified, rose from the dead in complete contradiction to Jewish theology, and ascended to heaven attested by contemporary witnesses.

Do you believe there is wisdom in numbers? There are lots of Muslims who believe that Muhammad actually went to Jerusalem. If Christianity is correct then Islam must be incorrect and they must be wrong. So what went wrong here?

Mormons also claim that some really unlikely miraculous events happened around Joseph Smith. Is the fact that lots of people claim that Reformed Egyptian exists good evidence that it actually does?

Well, just like everything you said before if you apply this level of justification a lot of religions will be proven true. Since they can’t all be true we have to have a higher standard.

[Washington Resistance Army]

That’s actually likely true due to Josephus and Tacitus especially the latter as a hostile witness. But was the resurrection a fact? Is Menachem Schneerson alive or not? People can be mistaken. There are Chabad Messianists out there who believe he has resurrected. That does not make it true.

How many people could be wrong? The 1st century AD wasn't exactly the Dark Ages, it was one of the most prosperous and interconnected periods in history prior to today.

Fact is, a Man was crucified, rose from the dead in complete contradiction to Jewish theology, and ascended to heaven attested by contemporary witnesses.

Clearly it's not a fact because it's not verifiable outside of your religion.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

How many people could be wrong? The 1st century AD wasn't exactly the Dark Ages, it was one of the most prosperous and interconnected periods in history prior to today.

Fact is, a Man was crucified, rose from the dead in complete contradiction to Jewish theology, and ascended to heaven attested by contemporary witnesses.

Clearly it's not a fact because it's not verifiable outside of your religion.

There is for example examples of the Moabite language there. If you read Mesha Stele religiously your conclusion will be almost the opposite of what you will have if you read Samuel and Kings religiously.

Does the fact that Ammonites and Moabites no longer exist as ethnic groups necessarily imply that their religions are less correct than Judaism?

[Vetalia]

How many people could be wrong? The 1st century AD wasn't exactly the Dark Ages, it was one of the most prosperous and interconnected periods in history prior to today.

Fact is, a Man was crucified, rose from the dead in complete contradiction to Jewish theology, and ascended to heaven attested by contemporary witnesses.

Do you believe there is wisdom in numbers? There are lots of Muslims who believe that Muhammad actually went to Jerusalem. If Christianity is correct then Islam must be incorrect and they must be wrong. So what went wrong here?

Mormons also claim that some really unlikely miraculous events happened around Joseph Smith. Is the fact that lots of people claim that Reformed Egyptian exists good evidence that it actually does?

Well, just like everything you said before if you apply this level of justification a lot of religions will be proven true. Since they can’t all be true we have to have a higher standard.

But were they subject to the kind of persecution Christianity was and able to not only withstand it for centuries but spread it throughout the known world and on top of that thrive?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Do you believe there is wisdom in numbers? There are lots of Muslims who believe that Muhammad actually went to Jerusalem. If Christianity is correct then Islam must be incorrect and they must be wrong. So what went wrong here?

Mormons also claim that some really unlikely miraculous events happened around Joseph Smith. Is the fact that lots of people claim that Reformed Egyptian exists good evidence that it actually does?

Well, just like everything you said before if you apply this level of justification a lot of religions will be proven true. Since they can’t all be true we have to have a higher standard.

But were they subject to the kind of persecution Christianity was and able to not only withstand it for centuries but spread it throughout the known world and on top of that thrive?

No. However that’s not evidence of factual accuracy of a religion.

We should agree to disagree and depart in peace. All I can say is that the universe is infinitely brutal and that due to the possible existence of multiple deities who condemn everyone who get the religious question wrong to eternal torture without providing any evidence for their respective existence (and hence the nonexistence of all other proclaimed deities) we have to let everyone pursue whatever religion they think is factually accurate as much as we can accommodate.

[Vetalia]

Clearly it's not a fact because it's not verifiable outside of your religion.

We have factual stories, the four Gospels.

[Vetalia]

No. However that’s not evidence of factual accuracy of a religion.

Then why did people believe it, and not only believe it but spread it to the extent of their known world? Jesus the Christ rose from the dead, fact, if it didn't happen I want you to explain an alternative.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

No. However that’s not evidence of factual accuracy of a religion.

Then why did people believe it, and not only believe it but spread it to the extent of their known world?

Why do people believe in and spread Islam? Why do people believe in and spread Mormonism?

I think we should stop arguing. All I curse and hate is the precarious and unfair situation sentient life is in due to the conditions. Good luck. I hope at least some humans will get it right.

On top of that I hope that no more children are born so that no more children can be condemned to hell by one or multiple deities they are unaware of since it is impossible for humans to figure out the religious question.

[Vetalia]

Then why did people believe it, and not only believe it but spread it to the extent of their known world?

Why do people believe in and spread Islam? Why do people believe in and spread Mormonism?

I think we should stop arguing. All I curse and hate is the precarious and unfair situation sentient life is in due to the conditions. Good luck. I hope at least some humans will get it right.

Why is the heresy known as Islam dying? Why is Mormonism a small and forgotten heretical version of Christianity, one that went so south it literally broke its baptism. Fact is, Jesus the Christ rose from the dead and is the Son of Man and each of these heresies is dying. The Roman Catholic Church is the Rock of Peter.

[Insaanistan]

Why do people believe in and spread Islam? Why do people believe in and spread Mormonism?

I think we should stop arguing. All I curse and hate is the precarious and unfair situation sentient life is in due to the conditions. Good luck. I hope at least some humans will get it right.

Why is the heresy known as Islam dying? Why is Mormonism a small and forgotten heretical version of Christianity? Fact is, Jesus the Christ rose from the dead and is the Son of Man and each of these heresies is dying for that reason.

Uh... Islam is the fastest growing religion, the second largest religion (set to be the largest in a couple decades), and Muhammad is the most popular name in the world. It’s not dying.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Why do people believe in and spread Islam? Why do people believe in and spread Mormonism?

I think we should stop arguing. All I curse and hate is the precarious and unfair situation sentient life is in due to the conditions. Good luck. I hope at least some humans will get it right.

Why is the heresy known as Islam dying? Why is Mormonism a small and forgotten heretical version of Christianity, one that went so south it literally broke its baptism. Fact is, Jesus the Christ rose from the dead and is the Son of Man and each of these heresies is dying. The Roman Catholic Church is the Rock of Peter.

How is Islam dying? Seriously..

[Vetalia]

Uh... Islam is the fastest growing religion, the second largest religion (set to be the largest in a couple decades), and Muhammad is the most popular name in the world. It’s not dying.

Good luck dealing with Christian Africa, the root and rock of Christianity for the paganized West. And, hey, what is the punishment your "Prophet" requires for apostasy from Islam?

[Vetalia]

Why is the heresy known as Islam dying? Why is Mormonism a small and forgotten heretical version of Christianity, one that went so south it literally broke its baptism. Fact is, Jesus the Christ rose from the dead and is the Son of Man and each of these heresies is dying. The Roman Catholic Church is the Rock of Peter.

How is Islam dying? Seriously..

Who converts to it vs. how many leave it for the embrace of the loving God of Christianity?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Peace, guys.

[Insaanistan]

Uh... Islam is the fastest growing religion, the second largest religion (set to be the largest in a couple decades), and Muhammad is the most popular name in the world. It’s not dying.

Good luck dealing with Christian Africa, the root and rock of Christianity for the paganized West. And, hey, what is the punishment your "Prophet" requires for apostasy from Islam?

Literally nothing, actually.

[Insaanistan]

How is Islam dying? Seriously..

Who converts to it vs. how many leave it for the embrace of the loving God of Christianity?

Actually, most who leave it become atheist, not Christian. Additionally, Latinos in the US are the group that convert to Islam the most. Guess which religion most of them follow?