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by Marxist Germany » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:05 pm
by Matroyska » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:06 pm
by The Alma Mater » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pm
Matroyska wrote:for me, the very title of this thread highlights the problem with the whole charade. as Dawkins put it, ‘you’re already an atheist for 999 religions. i just go that one step further.’
by Boxing Ice Cream Sellers » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 pm
by Baloo Kingdom » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:09 pm
Travislavania wrote:Baloo Kingdom wrote:No, we cause plagues, viruses, and disasters as a result of our sin. God is like a parent, they'll let you get yourself in trouble, but they'll warn you of the consequences.
i mean "natural disasters" why wouldnt god reveal himself to the world? send jesus 2.0, justify himself, everyone will convert to christianity, religion wars will end.
by Punished UMN » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:11 pm
Matroyska wrote:for me, the very title of this thread highlights the problem with the whole charade. as Dawkins put it, ‘you’re already an atheist for 999 religions. i just go that one step further.’
to reject many versions of an omniscient creator and select your very specific one to defend to the death is ridiculous. it’s likely that only the the place where you were born and raised determined which arbitrary imagining of this deity you believe in in the first place. and almost none of the arguments i’ve ever heard supporting the idea of a god are at all specific to one religion.
the only conclusion that you can reasonably draw, IMO, is that they’re all equally incorrect.
by Sanghyeok » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:12 pm
Baloo Kingdom wrote:Travislavania wrote:
i mean "natural disasters" why wouldnt god reveal himself to the world? send jesus 2.0, justify himself, everyone will convert to christianity, religion wars will end.
Because God values choice, and he gave us the choice to sin. Forcing anything upon us would be a strict violation of his ideals. And God does reveal himself, people just aren't good at finding him
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:14 pm
by The Alma Mater » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:15 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Matroyska wrote:for me, the very title of this thread highlights the problem with the whole charade. as Dawkins put it, ‘you’re already an atheist for 999 religions. i just go that one step further.’
to reject many versions of an omniscient creator and select your very specific one to defend to the death is ridiculous. it’s likely that only the the place where you were born and raised determined which arbitrary imagining of this deity you believe in in the first place. and almost none of the arguments i’ve ever heard supporting the idea of a god are at all specific to one religion.
the only conclusion that you can reasonably draw, IMO, is that they’re all equally incorrect.
Now that's an extreme statement. There are religions out there that aren't even internally coherent.
by Baloo Kingdom » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:15 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:Baloo Kingdom wrote:Because God values choice, and he gave us the choice to sin. Forcing anything upon us would be a strict violation of his ideals. And God does reveal himself, people just aren't good at finding him
I won't question the part about God revealing himself- given that I don't really know how much we should use empirical evidence to discuss the existence of religious phenomena or figures. However, I feel you still haven't answered the first question properly- if God really did love us so much, why doesn't he save us from those consequences?
by Punished UMN » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:16 pm
by Matroyska » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:17 pm
Punished UMN wrote:Matroyska wrote:for me, the very title of this thread highlights the problem with the whole charade. as Stephen Roberts put it, ‘you’re already an atheist for 999 religions. i just go that one step further.’
to reject many versions of an omniscient creator and select your very specific one to defend to the death is ridiculous. it’s likely that only the the place where you were born and raised determined which arbitrary imagining of this deity you believe in in the first place. and almost none of the arguments i’ve ever heard supporting the idea of a god are at all specific to one religion.
the only conclusion that you can reasonably draw, IMO, is that they’re all equally incorrect.
Now that's an extreme statement. There are religions out there that aren't even internally coherent.
by Nuroblav » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:18 pm
Arisyan wrote:Oddly enough, Buddhism. It's support pacifism, protecting the environment and doesn't believe in one higher being. I'm not like a devout buddhist or anything, but it's got some good wisdom there. but in the end, no religion is truly correct because the concept is flawed. (plus, reincarnation makes a ton of sense. It's not like when you die you just lay there in a sea of blackness)
by Sanghyeok » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:18 pm
Baloo Kingdom wrote:Sanghyeok wrote:
I won't question the part about God revealing himself- given that I don't really know how much we should use empirical evidence to discuss the existence of religious phenomena or figures. However, I feel you still haven't answered the first question properly- if God really did love us so much, why doesn't he save us from those consequences?
His salvation from said consequences comes in the form of a gift. And that gift can be accepted or declined at any time. You can decline it now and change your mind later and still get the gift. Or you can accept the gift at first but reject it later. We have to accept the gift in order for us to be saved, and accepting the gift is as simple as faith in him.
どんな時も、赤旗の眩しさを覚えていた
Magical socialist paradise headed by an immortal, tea-loving and sometimes childish Chairwoman who happens to be the younger Ōmiya sister
by Cameroi » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:20 pm
by The Gold Mines » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:20 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:According to me it is all religions+the big bang+atheism+my stuff minus contradictions-getting to hell for masturbating or being gay.
by The Alma Mater » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:22 pm
by Punished UMN » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:24 pm
by Baloo Kingdom » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:31 pm
Sanghyeok wrote:Baloo Kingdom wrote:His salvation from said consequences comes in the form of a gift. And that gift can be accepted or declined at any time. You can decline it now and change your mind later and still get the gift. Or you can accept the gift at first but reject it later. We have to accept the gift in order for us to be saved, and accepting the gift is as simple as faith in him.
But given that Christianity itself has had differing interpretations, how can we be sure which is the correct path to salvation? Maybe I accidently take one path and not the other, and suddenly the gift can't be given to me anymore. I feel the greatest weakness of any monotheistic religion is that it depends so much on interpreting any one God's ideals and words.
by Exalted Inquellian State » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:31 pm
by Insaanistan » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:32 pm
by The Gold Mines » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:33 pm
Exalted Inquellian State wrote:The Gold Mines wrote:What the heck?
I don't really have a name for my religion, so for now we'll use omnism.
Basically, it hinges on the fact all gods are real. Christian gods, roman gods, Indian gods, alien gods. The most important god, the one who influences the other ones, is the one most people believe in, which as of now is thought to be the Christian god. Obviously, Christianity has Satan, so now there is a divide, with the morally just gods rallying to the God, morally evil gods rallying to Satan, and everything else existing as a chaotic, everchanging third side. The multiverse is where these gods live. It contains 100 Trillion universe of varying sizes ranging from 0-dimsional dots to 8-dimensions OOOOOOOGHLAOOOOOOOOOOOOGHLAYOOOOOOOOOOOOOGHLAYOOO- And the multiverse itself is a 9 dimensional bubble. At any given moment Heaven is at the top and Hell at the bottom. People don't go to hell for being atheist, and probably not for masturbating or being homosexuals or eating meat on a Friday or anything that doesn't harm someone else, according to some form of trial. Now, they shouldn't be able to die in Heaven or hell, hut if they do, they usually go to the double version of that. And a double version exists outside the multiverse. Beneath heaven and hell, the dimensions collapse, and revert to either a four dimensional state like our universe or another one. For our entire universe is a subatomic particle in a larger multiverse. If a dream I had years ago is correct, it is an electron in a childs birthday cake, but that's likely not true. There are many levels of this, but at them top is the Inner Omniverse. It contains the final levels of the multiverses. But there's more. There's more omniverses, like an "infinite" multiverse(which is actually just a loop) a shadow realm, and so on. And they are all in the Outer Omniverse, the sum of everything. Now, not every possibility exists at the same time. Some possibilities are made by time travel or universe being reborn. And if you're wondering what's at the bottom of the omniversal ladder, probably true elementary particles.
by Esalia » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:34 pm
by Punished UMN » Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:35 pm
Insaanistan wrote:Punished UMN wrote:What is logically impossible about the Christian God?
I’m myself. I sent myself to tell my mom she would give birth to me and I would be my son. Then I preached worshipping me and died. Then I came back because me who is also not me brought me back. Me who is not me sits next to my throne on his own thrown but there’s also only one throne.
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