we can all agree that communism is the best system

[Empirical Switzerland]

No, we can not.

Every time it has been tried dictatorships have been propped up, genocide has happened, millions have starved to death, political opposition to the state could mean imprisonment, and everybody but members of the government were dirt poor.

I don't know about you, but I like being able to vote freely, live without fear of being prosecuted for my beliefs, not starving, not being poor, being able to speak my mind without being sent to jail, being able to open up a business and being payed based on how hard I work, not on what my job is.

[The Emerald Legion]

communism allows for sharing so that the people won't definitely starve to death am i right fellow commies?

Communism explicitly disallows sharing.

[Disgraces]

Communism is the social ownership of the means of production and the lack of social classes and a state. State socialism isn't communism.

thank you, but also explain how state socialism works please. and i also searched for it, the USSR was run by a communist government and the economy was wholeheartedly Marxist communism in ideology.

State socialism is the state owning the means of production.

[Saralonia]

Communism is an utopia, marx didn't think about the fact humans wouldn't work in his ideal world, however, communism would be good if it was able to work.

so is capitalism, every ideology is based on an idealized version of humankind and based from there

[United Hemand Insia]

USSR *is communist*
also USSR *fails within 100 years*

The USSR was state socialist.

You've got to be kidding me.

[An-Tanwir]

Socialist countries routinely outperformed capitalist countries of equivalent development in Physical Quality of Life: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2430906/

[Disgraces]

The USSR was state socialist.

You've got to be kidding me.

Look it up.

[Golgorna]

thank you, but also explain how state socialism works please. and i also searched for it, the USSR was run by a communist government and the economy was wholeheartedly Marxist communism in ideology.

State socialism is the state owning the means of production.

thank you for explaining.

[United Hemand Insia]

You've got to be kidding me.

Look it up.

They weren't state socialists. They were communist republics.

[Confederated South Germany]

Communism is an utopia, marx didn't think about the fact humans wouldn't work in his ideal world, however, communism would be good if it was able to work.

No offense, but that is, like, the classic "works on paper" criticism of Marxism that communists laugh at. Its a pretty broad and generic response that doesn't have much real though put into it.

Well, I'm not a communist so I don't know, but I do think that it would be cool if it was achieved. I'm more a quasi-nihilist pragmatist, I see communism and anarchism as good but pretty hard to achieve (if not impossible) in the real world

[Golgorna]

You've got to be kidding me.

Look it up.

it was communist.

[Empirical Switzerland]

No, we can not.

Every time it has been tried dictatorships have been propped up, genocide has happened, millions have starved to death, political opposition to the state could mean imprisonment, and everybody but members of the government were dirt poor.

I don't know about you, but I like being able to vote freely, live without fear of being prosecuted for my beliefs, not starving, not being poor, being able to speak my mind without being sent to jail, being able to open up a business and being payed based on how hard I work, not on what my job is.

Communism is just straight up wrong.

[Ikazia]

Have you investigated how and why it was poorly run?

the government was more concerned with the military, meaning it didn't use its otherwise massive economy for rebuilding after the second world war. also, due to Stalin's purges and 5 year plans, famines were frequent during the early years of the soviet union.

Famines were frequent in The Russian Empire, long before the soviet union. They were a semi-fedual backwards agrarian nation that relied on small-scale farming, which barely produced a surplus. It was the 5 year plan's industrialization and establishment of large scale collective farms that ended the cycle of famines.

[Confederated South Germany]

Communism is an utopia, marx didn't think about the fact humans wouldn't work in his ideal world, however, communism would be good if it was able to work.

so is capitalism, every ideology is based on an idealized version of humankind and based from there

Did I ever say capitalism was good?

[United Hemand Insia]

No, we can not.

Every time it has been tried dictatorships have been propped up, genocide has happened, millions have starved to death, political opposition to the state could mean imprisonment, and everybody but members of the government were dirt poor.

I don't know about you, but I like being able to vote freely, live without fear of being prosecuted for my beliefs, not starving, not being poor, being able to speak my mind without being sent to jail, being able to open up a business and being payed based on how hard I work, not on what my job is.

Communism is just straight up wrong.

The idea of communism isn't it's just the politicians involved and the way they use communism to dictate their people.

[The Emerald Legion]

Communism is an utopia, marx didn't think about the fact humans wouldn't work in his ideal world, however, communism would be good if it was able to work.

so is capitalism, every ideology is based on an idealized version of humankind and based from there

Not really. Capitalism allows for assholes to exist and has means of dealing with them that aren't ironfisted dictatorship.

[Golgorna]

the government was more concerned with the military, meaning it didn't use its otherwise massive economy for rebuilding after the second world war. also, due to Stalin's purges and 5 year plans, famines were frequent during the early years of the soviet union.

Famines were frequent in The Russian Empire, long before the soviet union. They were a semi-fedual backwards agrarian nation that relied on small-scale farming, which barely produced a surplus. It was the 5 year plan's industrialization and establishment of large scale collective farms that ended the cycle of famines.

there were still several large famines during the start of the USSR. plus you did not address my other point of how they prioritized military spending over rebuilding after the second world war.

[Pan Evropa]

No.

[Confederated South Germany]

Famines were frequent in The Russian Empire, long before the soviet union. They were a semi-fedual backwards agrarian nation that relied on small-scale farming, which barely produced a surplus. It was the 5 year plan's industrialization and establishment of large scale collective farms that ended the cycle of famines.

there were still several large famines during the start of the USSR. plus you did not address my other point of how they prioritized military spending over rebuilding after the second world war.

I can give an answer: Stalin

[Saralonia]

so is capitalism, every ideology is based on an idealized version of humankind and based from there

Did I ever say capitalism was good?

No, and I didn't say that you said that

[Golgorna]

there were still several large famines during the start of the USSR. plus you did not address my other point of how they prioritized military spending over rebuilding after the second world war.

I can give an answer: Stalin

most soviet leaders followed Stalin's ideals of how to run the country. this made them more isolationist in nature.

[Confederated South Germany]

Did I ever say capitalism was good?

No, and I didn't say that you said that

It was more of a rethorical question, but ok

[Disgraces]

Look it up.

it was communist.

How come they still were states?

[Farnhamia]

communism allows for sharing so that the people won't definitely starve to death am i right fellow commies?

Yeah ... your Opening Post looks kind of starved. Not much meat here. Take a look here for some tips.