Japanese Politics Thread

[Sanghyeok]

Japan's imperialism started in late Meiji, you know.

And it was good for Japan. Japan also developed Taiwan, Korea, Palau, Manchuria, Rabaul and many other places. Love them or hate them Japan curbed Sinostatist corruption in Korea and Taiwan which was a key reason why South Korea could have a strong and proud military today when pre-Japan Korea had serious Sinostatist corruption that prevented its military from being very effective for example in the 16th century. It is also well known that Park Chung-hee and others who contributed significantly to the Miracle on Han River in the 1960s and 1970s were deeply connected to the Empire of Japan and their former Japanese colleagues.

What do you define "Sinostatism" as, anyways?

[Nakena]

And it was good for Japan. Japan also developed Taiwan, Korea, Palau, Manchuria, Rabaul and many other places. Love them or hate them Japan curbed Sinostatist corruption in Korea and Taiwan which was a key reason why South Korea could have a strong and proud military today when pre-Japan Korea had serious Sinostatist corruption that prevented its military from being very effective for example in the 16th century. It is also well known that Park Chung-hee and others who contributed significantly to the Miracle on Han River in the 1960s and 1970s were deeply connected to the Empire of Japan and their former Japanese colleagues.

What do you define "Sinostatism" as, anyways?

I would define it as: A (chinese) super-centralized state with totalitarian tendencies and little regard for individual human life in the tradition of legalism.

Throughout many dynasties and even the PRC certain similiar tendencies and appearences have manifested throughout history.

I think Sinostatism essentially derivates from legalist tradition.

[Sanghyeok]

What do you define "Sinostatism" as, anyways?

I would define it as: A (chinese) super-centralized state with totalitarian tendencies and little regard for individual human life in the tradition of legalism.

Throughout many dynasties and even the PRC certain similiar tendencies and appearences have manifested throughout history.

I think Sinostatism essentially derivates from legalist tradition.

Thanks for your definition. Nekostan is still wrong in almost everything they wrote, though. Don't be an Imperial apologist.

[Nakena]

I would define it as: A (chinese) super-centralized state with totalitarian tendencies and little regard for individual human life in the tradition of legalism.

Throughout many dynasties and even the PRC certain similiar tendencies and appearences have manifested throughout history.

I think Sinostatism essentially derivates from legalist tradition.

Thanks for your definition. Nekostan is still wrong in almost everything they wrote, though. Don't be an Imperial apologist.

I enjoy it. It's not statism when the Empire of Great Animu does it. uWu

[Sanghyeok]

Thanks for your definition. Nekostan is still wrong in almost everything they wrote, though. Don't be an Imperial apologist.

I enjoy it. It's not statism when the Empire of Great Animu does it. uWu

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[Diarcesia]

How is Suga doing so far?

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

How is Suga doing so far?

He seems to be doing a fair job, so far his term hasn't been very eventful. It is unfortunate that it is looking like he will be unable to fulfill Abe's promise for constitutional revision by 2020.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

What do you define "Sinostatism" as, anyways?

I would define it as: A (chinese) super-centralized state with totalitarian tendencies and little regard for individual human life in the tradition of legalism.

Throughout many dynasties and even the PRC certain similiar tendencies and appearences have manifested throughout history.

I think Sinostatism essentially derivates from legalist tradition.

Thanks for explaining the concept of Sinostatism. Statism is mostly an Eurasian and North African sociopolitical problem though the existence of Incan Empire shows that the New World is not inherently exempt from it. I use different names for different flavors of statism in the same sense that people use the word “Austrofascism” to refer to the particular form of fascism practiced in the Federal State of Austria.

Sinostatism is particularly bad compared to other common forms of statism such as Francostatism and Russostatism because it is particularly prone to disregard human lives. In terms of percentage Sinostatism is one of the deadliest forms of statism in history.

[Sanghyeok]

How is Suga doing so far?

He seems to be doing a fair, job, so far his term hasn't been very eventful. It is unfortunate that it is looking like he will be unable to fulfill Abe's promise for constitutional revision by 2020.

I hope he doesn't fulfill that promise.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

He seems to be doing a fair, job, so far his term hasn't been very eventful. It is unfortunate that it is looking like he will be unable to fulfill Abe's promise for constitutional revision by 2020.

I hope he doesn't fulfill that promise.

I hope he does. I further hope that the Japanese Navy will be back to Rabaul and Truk peacefully.

[TENNOHEIKA BANZAI NIHON]

I hope he doesn't fulfill that promise.

I hope he does. I further hope that the Japanese Navy will be back to Rabaul and Truk peacefully.

I also truly hope he fulfills the promise. Japan needs it, Japan's allies need it, and the world would be a better, safer place with Japan ready to defend its territory in a better manner. It is promising that he has become a member of the Nippon Kaigi.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

I hope he does. I further hope that the Japanese Navy will be back to Rabaul and Truk peacefully.

I also truly hope he fulfills the promise. Japan needs it, Japan's allies need it, and the world would be a better, safer place with Japan ready to defend its territory in a better manner. It is promising that he has become a member of the Nippon Kaigi.

Exactly. The Pacific War was a huge mistake on both sides. Anglos apparently thought that aiding China, a country that historically has never genuinely accepted even one international treaty even 2,000 years ago, was a good idea. They also absurdly believed that the Empire of Japan was somehow a problem. At the same time Japan shouldn’t have attacked Anglo powers either because they are indeed much stronger especially since geographically North America and a large part of Oceania were Anglo. It would have been much bette for everyone if the Anglo-Japanese Alliance persisted.

WWII thankfully ended one problem (genocidal Nazis). Yet it caused two more problems (China and an even larger Soviet empire). So in Europe the war against Nazi Germany and its genocidal and antisemitic allies, Slovakia, Croatia and Romania, were justified. The war against Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary were only justified in the sense of being a part of the war against Nazi Germany and that such war saved Jewish, Polish and other lives. The Pacific War on the other hand was simply a tragedy.

[Nakena]

I also truly hope he fulfills the promise. Japan needs it, Japan's allies need it, and the world would be a better, safer place with Japan ready to defend its territory in a better manner. It is promising that he has become a member of the Nippon Kaigi.

Exactly. The Pacific War was a huge mistake on both sides. Anglos apparently thought that aiding China, a country that historically has never genuinely accepted even one international treaty even 2,000 years ago, was a good idea. They also absurdly believed that the Empire of Japan was somehow a problem. At the same time Japan shouldn’t have attacked Anglo powers either because they are indeed much stronger especially since geographically North America and a large part of Oceania were Anglo. It would have been much bette for everyone if the Anglo-Japanese Alliance persisted.

Wow.

The thing here though is, so, imperialism and statism are acceptable if they are an means to an end and rather an end in itself?

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Exactly. The Pacific War was a huge mistake on both sides. Anglos apparently thought that aiding China, a country that historically has never genuinely accepted even one international treaty even 2,000 years ago, was a good idea. They also absurdly believed that the Empire of Japan was somehow a problem. At the same time Japan shouldn’t have attacked Anglo powers either because they are indeed much stronger especially since geographically North America and a large part of Oceania were Anglo. It would have been much bette for everyone if the Anglo-Japanese Alliance persisted.

Wow.

The thing here though is, so, imperialism and statism are acceptable if they are an means to an end and rather an end in itself?

The British Empire, the French Empire and the Empire of Japan all retained a democratic core. It is hard to argue that Britain and pre-War Japan were somehow illiberal and statist. Showa Japan only went wrong when the major political parties merged into the absurd Imperial Rule Assistance Organization and the state interfered heavily in private industries. Major industries of all the countries above are controlled by private interests, not the state. Genuine multiparty elections with at least two major parties also worked in the cores of the empires. We can’t really claim that entities such as Mitsubishi and Renault aren’t really businesses since they supply or used to supply the military.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

I also truly hope he fulfills the promise. Japan needs it, Japan's allies need it, and the world would be a better, safer place with Japan ready to defend its territory in a better manner. It is promising that he has become a member of the Nippon Kaigi.

Exactly. The Pacific War was a huge mistake on both sides. Anglos apparently thought that aiding China, a country that historically has never genuinely accepted even one international treaty even 2,000 years ago, was a good idea. They also absurdly believed that the Empire of Japan was somehow a problem. At the same time Japan shouldn’t have attacked Anglo powers either because they are indeed much stronger especially since geographically North America and a large part of Oceania were Anglo. It would have been much bette for everyone if the Anglo-Japanese Alliance persisted.

WWII thankfully ended one problem (genocidal Nazis). Yet it caused two more problems (China and an even larger Soviet empire). So in Europe the war against Nazi Germany and its genocidal and antisemitic allies, Slovakia, Croatia and Romania, were justified. The war against Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary were only justified in the sense of being a part of the war against Nazi Germany and that such war saved Jewish, Polish and other lives. The Pacific War on the other hand was simply a tragedy.

I disagree with the notion that the Pacific War was a tragedy, although being Filipino, we were victims of Japanese agression, in other nations like Indonesia or Vietnam, the Japanese invaders supported local independence movements against Western Imperialists.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Exactly. The Pacific War was a huge mistake on both sides. Anglos apparently thought that aiding China, a country that historically has never genuinely accepted even one international treaty even 2,000 years ago, was a good idea. They also absurdly believed that the Empire of Japan was somehow a problem. At the same time Japan shouldn’t have attacked Anglo powers either because they are indeed much stronger especially since geographically North America and a large part of Oceania were Anglo. It would have been much bette for everyone if the Anglo-Japanese Alliance persisted.

WWII thankfully ended one problem (genocidal Nazis). Yet it caused two more problems (China and an even larger Soviet empire). So in Europe the war against Nazi Germany and its genocidal and antisemitic allies, Slovakia, Croatia and Romania, were justified. The war against Bulgaria, Italy, Hungary were only justified in the sense of being a part of the war against Nazi Germany and that such war saved Jewish, Polish and other lives. The Pacific War on the other hand was simply a tragedy.

I disagree with the notion that the Pacific War was a tragedy, although being Filipino, we were victims of Japanese agression, in other nations like Indonesia or Vietnam, the Japanese invaders supported local independence movements against Western Imperialists.

Not even Britain was as nice as the United States. Spain would have never let you guys go before WWII without a war. Japan did establish a Second Filipino Republic. However since PH was already going to be independent anyway that’s not something unusually awesome.

Things such as Manila Massacre definitely sucked a lot, so was the lack of resources caused by Anglo blockade.

[Nakena]

Wow.

The thing here though is, so, imperialism and statism are acceptable if they are an means to an end and rather an end in itself?

The British Empire, the French Empire and the Empire of Japan all retained a democratic core. It is hard to argue that Britain and pre-War Japan were somehow illiberal and statist. Showa Japan only went wrong when the major political parties merged into the absurd Imperial Rule Assistance Organization and the state interfered heavily in private industries. Major industries of all the countries above are controlled by private interests, not the state. Genuine multiparty elections with at least two major parties also worked in the cores of the empires. We can’t really claim that entities such as Mitsubishi and Renault aren’t really businesses since they supply or used to supply the military.

All of this was also true for the often villified Imperial Germany until 1918 who had constitional monarchy and multi-party elections.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

I disagree with the notion that the Pacific War was a tragedy, although being Filipino, we were victims of Japanese agression, in other nations like Indonesia or Vietnam, the Japanese invaders supported local independence movements against Western Imperialists.

Not even Britain was as nice as the United States. Spain would have never let you guys go before WWII without a war. Japan did establish a Second Filipino Republic. However since PH was already going to be independent anyway that’s not something unusually awesome.

Things such as Manila Massacre definitely sucked a lot, so was the lack of resources caused by Anglo blockade.

Agreed, however, several independence movements like that of Indonesia or Myanmar wouldn't be as sucessful had the Japanese not invaded and showed that the Western Imperialists had weaknesses for once.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

The British Empire, the French Empire and the Empire of Japan all retained a democratic core. It is hard to argue that Britain and pre-War Japan were somehow illiberal and statist. Showa Japan only went wrong when the major political parties merged into the absurd Imperial Rule Assistance Organization and the state interfered heavily in private industries. Major industries of all the countries above are controlled by private interests, not the state. Genuine multiparty elections with at least two major parties also worked in the cores of the empires. We can’t really claim that entities such as Mitsubishi and Renault aren’t really businesses since they supply or used to supply the military.

All of this was also true for the often villified Imperial Germany until 1918 who had constitional monarchy and multi-party elections.

That’s true though the suppression of Social Democrats was not cool.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Also, I just realized that the rest of Asia was colonized by Western Imperialists from Europe, however; believe it or not the Philippines was colonized by Eastern Imperialists from the Americas, when considering the route of colonization; the Philippines' first colonization was from Spain, relagating the subgovernance of the Philippines to Mexico (Viceroyalty of New Spain) and then the second colonization was from the USA, both nations came to the Philippines from the eastern side of the Pacific, so from our point of view; America, Mexico and Spain were Eastern Imperialists, not Western ones. Hahahaha.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Not even Britain was as nice as the United States. Spain would have never let you guys go before WWII without a war. Japan did establish a Second Filipino Republic. However since PH was already going to be independent anyway that’s not something unusually awesome.

Things such as Manila Massacre definitely sucked a lot, so was the lack of resources caused by Anglo blockade.

Agreed, however, several independence movements like that of Indonesia or Myanmar wouldn't be as sucessful had the Japanese not invaded and showed that the Western Imperialists had weaknesses for once.

It’s not really “showed that they had weaknesses for once.” Instead it is that East Asians and mixed race Eurasians have always been messing with fringes of Caucasoid rule since the existence of the races (vice versa). From Huns to Turks, Avars and conquering Hungarians to Mongols to Japan, nothing has changed.

It took Japan a few months to remove the Dutch East Indies which took hundreds of years to establish and consolidate.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

Also, I just realized that the rest of Asia was colonized by Western Imperialists, however, believe it or not the Philippines was colonized by Eastern Imperialists, considering the route of colonization; the Philippines first colonization was from Spain, relagating the subgovernance of the Philippines to Mexico (Viceroyalty of New Spain) and then the second colonization was from the USA, both nations came to the Philippines from the Eastern side of the Pacific, so from our point of view; America, Mexico and Spain were Eastern Imperialists, not Western ones. Hahahaha.

Well please define “Asia”. Colonialism with any racial overtones pretty much never happened in three parts of Asia: core Northeast Asia due to the existence of Japan and to a less extant the Qing, core Middle East (Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi lands etc) and Thailand.

[Nakena]

All of this was also true for the often villified Imperial Germany until 1918 who had constitional monarchy and multi-party elections.

That’s true though the suppression of Social Democrats was not cool.

Social Democrats suppression ended in the late 19th Century. By 1914 the SPD was already firmly part of the establishment and support the war bonds too.

[San Kalungsod Saludong]

Agreed, however, several independence movements like that of Indonesia or Myanmar wouldn't be as sucessful had the Japanese not invaded and showed that the Western Imperialists had weaknesses for once.

It’s not really “showed that they had weaknesses for once.” Instead it is that East Asians and mixed race Eurasians have always been messing with fringes of Caucasoid rule since the existence of the races (vice versa). From Huns to Turks, Avars and conquering Hungarians to Mongols to Japan, nothing has changed.

It took Japan a few months to remove the Dutch East Indies which took hundreds of years to establish and consolidate.

True, politics and war has always happened, but in this case, the underdogs were at least given a sliver of hope.

[Nekostan-e Gharbi]

That’s true though the suppression of Social Democrats was not cool.

Social Democrats suppression ended in the late 19th Century. By 1914 the SPD was already firmly part of the establishment and support the war bonds too.

The German Empire was really actually sort of OK...domestically.