Louisville Police Officer Sues Breonna Taylor's Boyfriend

[Greater Malegron]

So standing up to the police going on fucking rampages makes you the REAL racists?

No, but the armed marches, intimidation tactics, looting, burning, beating, vandalism, and black extremist rhetoric does. I can just as easily give links to racist inflammatory comments and actions by supporters of these very groups.

They aren’t the ones murdering random people, they also didn’t engage in centuries of slavery and genocide. Fuck off with your false equivalence.

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

If I remember correctly, most black people in the US are middle class. Compared to the vast numbers of black people in Africa and elsewhere who live in abject poverty, middle-class American life is lavish. Even the poorest of Americans are richer than the poorest of Africans. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to excuse any bad thing or dismiss anyone's misfortune but those are simply the facts. I've also yet to see any concrete evidence of any systematic racism anywhere. Could it exist in some form somewhere? Maybe, I guess, but I have not seen any shreds of evidence.

I agree that the standard of living has improved dramatically over the last couple of centuries - and even in the past couple of decades - in developed countries. I don't exactly understand why this explains why this eliminates the idea that there isn't systemic racism. Everyone in these prosperous, developed countries has experienced a raised standard of living that would have otherwise been thought of as impossible a century or so ago. The expectation that almost every household has running water, electricity, internet, and other utilities is extraordinary and should be recognized positively. But I wouldn't argue that often oppressed groups have benefitted far moreso than the majority if that is your implication. And to say that a generally raised standard of living eliminates the idea that there is systemic injustices such as racism, homophobia, or sexism is truly naive. As our standard of living improves, we can certainly argue that as a society we're taking lengths to eliminate these injustices, but again, it doesn't suggest that these injustices are nonexistent or even tolerable. We still see systemic racism in various institutions, as I mentioned before, in the criminal justice system among others.

Indeed, but if a system were truly, unequivocally, and unchangeably racist towards black people, I highly doubt they would be leading a middle-class lifestyle on par with a majority of white Americans. I, again, have not seen any tangible pieces of evidence of racism in any American system besides Affirmative Action, which is ironically racist towards white and Asian people.

[Myrensis]

It continues to amaze me how many police seem to have taken a "The beatings will continue until you realize we're the heroes!" approach to the current state of affairs.

[Loben III]

No, but the armed marches, intimidation tactics, looting, burning, beating, vandalism, and black extremist rhetoric does. I can just as easily give links to racist inflammatory comments and actions by supporters of these very groups.

They aren’t the ones murdering random people, they also didn’t engage in centuries of slavery and genocide. Fuck off with your false equivalence.

Meanwhile in the rest of the world, slavery and genocide.

say did you know that whites were also enslaved? Asians?

[Albrenia]

i am most certainly not a white supremacist.

Do not take it to heart. White supremacist is an attempted guilt-label by anyone who doesn’t follow under or preach far left rhetoric and insanity. Your average user of this phrase skews or doesn’t even understand the true meaning of the term.

In some cases anyway. There's certainly white supremacists who need to be called out on it, but nothing Loben III has said makes me think they're one, despite them holding opinions quite opposed to my own.

I think there's some pretty huge problems in the US with racism, both individual and systemic. I also think it's not anywhere close to the Nazi Germany some people like to say, nor is it a uniquely American problem, or as bad as it once was. Still needs work though.

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

No, but the armed marches, intimidation tactics, looting, burning, beating, vandalism, and black extremist rhetoric does. I can just as easily give links to racist inflammatory comments and actions by supporters of these very groups.

They aren’t the ones murdering random people, they also didn’t engage in centuries of slavery and genocide. Fuck off with your false equivalence.

They are murdering random people...
Black people have also indeed engaged in acts of slavery and genocide as has LITERALLY ANY OTHER CIVILIZATION THAT HAS EVER EXISTED.

[Greater Malegron]

They aren’t the ones murdering random people, they also didn’t engage in centuries of slavery and genocide. Fuck off with your false equivalence.

Meanwhile in the rest of the world, slavery and genocide.

say did you know that whites were also enslaved? Asians?

Hahahahahaha. Right. Got any proof?

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

Meanwhile in the rest of the world, slavery and genocide.

say did you know that whites were also enslaved? Asians?

Hahahahahaha. Right. Got any proof?

I'm literally dying that you need evidence. oh bother, I've got to go anyway.

[Nejii]

No, but the armed marches, intimidation tactics, looting, burning, beating, vandalism, and black extremist rhetoric does. I can just as easily give links to racist inflammatory comments and actions by supporters of these very groups.

They aren’t the ones murdering random people, they also didn’t engage in centuries of slavery and genocide. Fuck off with your false equivalence.

Slavery was across the global spectrum in centuries back. From England to Nigeria to China. I’m not defending slavery and it’s good that modern society doesn’t include such a dark practice. Well... modern first world society anyway. Interestingly enough one can go to various nations in Africa, the Middle East, and even Asia and “buy” an indentured servant as they are called.

Yet to this day we’re on about slavery in America as if it wasn’t anywhere else in all of human history.

[Greater Malegron]

You guys are literally defending racist murders.

[Vassenor]

Hahahahahaha. Right. Got any proof?

I'm literally dying that you need evidence. oh bother, I've got to go anyway.

That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed just as easily.

[Nejii]

Meanwhile in the rest of the world, slavery and genocide.

say did you know that whites were also enslaved? Asians?

Hahahahahaha. Right. Got any proof?

Rome for example. The Romans had slaves from as far north into Europe as Gaul (France) and Britannia. Corsairs in the Mediterranean regularly enslaved and traded white Europeans as well as Arabs and Africans. Asia (specifically China) had a widespread and long slavery period. And then the Aztecs for example who even sacrificed their slaves to their gods.

Slavery wasn’t just a white European thing.

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

You guys are literally defending racist murders.

cue this fallback argument when all other arguments have been shot down with facts and logic
You have not proven that the cops are either racist or murdered Breonna.

[Albrenia]

They aren’t the ones murdering random people, they also didn’t engage in centuries of slavery and genocide. Fuck off with your false equivalence.

Slavery was across the global spectrum in centuries back. From England to Nigeria to China. I’m not defending slavery and it’s good that modern society doesn’t include such a dark practice. Well... modern first world society anyway. Interestingly enough one can go to various nations in Africa, the Middle East, and even Asia and “buy” an indentured servant as they are called.

Yet to this day we’re on about slavery in America as if it wasn’t anywhere else in all of human history.

To be fair, the fact that white people were most certainly enslaved in other parts of the world didn't have as much impact on American society as the conditions of slavery in the US itself. It is silly to say that slavery is just a white people thing though, since entire cultures have been built on it across the world, of pretty much all races.

[Vassenor]

You guys are literally defending racist murders.

cue this fallback argument when all other arguments have been shot down with facts and logic
You have not proven that the cops are either racist or murdered Breonna.

You haven't proven any of your points either. So get out with that "facts and logic" when you've yet to show you're providing either.

[Greater Malegron]

Hahahahahaha. Right. Got any proof?

Rome for example. The Romans had slaves from as far north into Europe as Gaul (France) and Britannia. Corsairs in the Mediterranean regularly enslaved and traded white Europeans as well as Arabs and Africans. Asia (specifically China) had a widespread and long slavery period. And then the Aztecs for example who even sacrificed their slaves to their gods.

Slavery wasn’t just a white European thing.

Romans are white Europeans? And in any case, that wasn’t racially motivated. American slavery most definitely is.

[Myrensis]

Hahahahahaha. Right. Got any proof?

Rome for example. The Romans had slaves from as far north into Europe as Gaul (France) and Britannia. Corsairs in the Mediterranean regularly enslaved and traded white Europeans as well as Arabs and Africans. Asia (specifically China) had a widespread and long slavery period. And then the Aztecs for example who even sacrificed their slaves to their gods.

Slavery wasn’t just a white European thing.

That's nice, but what does it have to do with the history of slavery in America and the political and social situation of the descendants of those slaves in America?

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

cue this fallback argument when all other arguments have been shot down with facts and logic
You have not proven that the cops are either racist or murdered Breonna.

You haven't proven any of your points either. So get out with that "facts and logic" when you've yet to show you're providing either.

I believe that what I've said is well substantiated.

[Daves Computer]

I agree that the standard of living has improved dramatically over the last couple of centuries - and even in the past couple of decades - in developed countries. I don't exactly understand why this explains why this eliminates the idea that there isn't systemic racism. Everyone in these prosperous, developed countries has experienced a raised standard of living that would have otherwise been thought of as impossible a century or so ago. The expectation that almost every household has running water, electricity, internet, and other utilities is extraordinary and should be recognized positively. But I wouldn't argue that often oppressed groups have benefitted far moreso than the majority if that is your implication. And to say that a generally raised standard of living eliminates the idea that there is systemic injustices such as racism, homophobia, or sexism is truly naive. As our standard of living improves, we can certainly argue that as a society we're taking lengths to eliminate these injustices, but again, it doesn't suggest that these injustices are nonexistent or even tolerable. We still see systemic racism in various institutions, as I mentioned before, in the criminal justice system among others.

Indeed, but if a system were truly, unequivocally, and unchangeably racist towards black people, I highly doubt they would be leading a middle-class lifestyle on par with a majority of white Americans. I, again, have not seen any tangible pieces of evidence of racism in any American system besides Affirmative Action, which is ironically racist towards white and Asian people.

I would be willing to provide some evidence, particularly of how disproportionately punished and targeted minorities are by the criminal justice system, but I think it would be a wasted effort. If you are of the mind that Affirmative Action is some spontaneous and useless system that is "racist" towards white people, and if the subject of this thread as well as the exoneration of the police who murdered Breonna Taylor has not at least planted some doubt into the idea that there isn't at least some systemic racism prevalent in this country, I don't know what will at least make you consider otherwise.

[Nejii]

You guys are literally defending racist murders.

True murderous, racist police and (non-police) I do not defend. But listing every single police officer as a racist killer and the entirety of law enforcement across the system (even black law enforcement personnel) as deliberately oppressive based on race is, again, erroneous.

[Vassenor]

You haven't proven any of your points either. So get out with that "facts and logic" when you've yet to show you're providing either.

I believe that what I've said is well substantiated.

So where did you substantiate it with actual evidence?

[Greater Malegron]

You guys are literally defending racist murders.

True murderous, racist police and (non-police) i do not defend. But listing every single police officer as a racist killer and the entirety of law enforcement as deliberately oppressive based on race is, again, erroneous.

The institution was literally formed to defend slavery. And police organizations literally associate with the KKK and quote Hitler as a hero.

[Albrenia]

You guys are literally defending racist murders.

True murderous, racist police and (non-police) i do not defend. But listing every single police officer as a racist killer and the entirety of law enforcement as deliberately oppressive based on race is, again, erroneous.

I agree. Do we also agree that more needs to be done to prevent more abuse of power by the police?

[The Federal Government of Iowa]

Indeed, but if a system were truly, unequivocally, and unchangeably racist towards black people, I highly doubt they would be leading a middle-class lifestyle on par with a majority of white Americans. I, again, have not seen any tangible pieces of evidence of racism in any American system besides Affirmative Action, which is ironically racist towards white and Asian people.

I would be willing to provide some evidence, particularly of how disproportionately punished and targeted minorities are by the criminal justice system, but I think it would be a wasted effort. If you are of the mind that Affirmative Action is some spontaneous and useless system that is "racist" towards white people, and if the subject of this thread, as well as the exoneration of the police who murdered Breonna Taylor, has not at least planted some doubt into the idea that there isn't at least some systemic racism prevalent in this country, I don't know what will at least make you consider otherwise.

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps more POC end up in jail because they commit more crime, statistically? Also, it's really quite hard to indict anyone who shoots after being shot at.

[Nejii]

True murderous, racist police and (non-police) i do not defend. But listing every single police officer as a racist killer and the entirety of law enforcement as deliberately oppressive based on race is, again, erroneous.

I agree. Do we also agree that more needs to be done to prevent more abuse of power by the police?

Yes, but not just solely to African American suspects/potential suspects. I’ve seen police on television and read about them being just as brutal with non-black suspects/perpetrators. But anyway, yes, there need to be positive reforms.