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Greater Malegron wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I have probably been paying more attention than you. I've read some of your posts and they are chock-full of miss-info. Yeah, sometimes humans, who are broken and fallible creatures, do bad things. It happens.
You, however, have seemed to swallow hole the "burn it all down because it's irreversibly racist" pill that is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Gee, it’s almost like cops were created specifically to enforce and perpetuate a racist system. You can take that “some cops are bad but it’s not all cops” and throw it down a well. If you’re too privileged to see the rot behind the very institution of police itself, rather than individuals, that’s on you. Why wouldn’t we burn it all down. It’s a vehicle through which the oppressor controls the oppressed.

so many buzzwords i could make a madlibs out of it.

Loben III wrote:

Greater Malegron wrote:Gee, it’s almost like cops were created specifically to enforce and perpetuate a racist system. You can take that “some cops are bad but it’s not all cops” and throw it down a well. If you’re too privileged to see the rot behind the very institution of police itself, rather than individuals, that’s on you. Why wouldn’t we burn it all down. It’s a vehicle through which the oppressor controls the oppressed.

so many buzzwords i could make a madlibs out of it.

I don't like it when I agree with you.

The police in the US certainly need reform and for the 'good apples' to step up their game at putting down the bad ones, but it's not fair to claim their entire purpose is racist or that all of them are murderous.

Andsed wrote:

Nejii wrote:
While no-knock raids are a controversy/incident waiting to happen, they do have a comprehensible purpose. To catch suspects completely off guard and prevent the destruction or hiding of evidence, or to keep suspects from escaping swiftly. That said, no-knock raids have proven to be problematic and even disastrous. Although calling them illegal kidnapping is a bit melodramatic.

I think the best way to treat them is to reserve them for situations where there is a present danger of violence. Something like a hostage situation. Otherwise it is best to just not use them imo.

Hmm, an interesting direction. And plausible. But, respectfully, how would you prevent the destruction or discarding of evidence? After all, there have been trial cases that hinged on a single piece of evidence in the past. I suppose it would be as simple as knock and then move fast. Same thing with a suspect with a quick escape route.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The amount of anti-cop nonsense and stupidity displayed in this thread makes me want to quit NS and kill myself if I can manage to do so before having an aneurysm.

Your right wing virtue signalling has been noted.

Albrenia wrote:

Loben III wrote:
so many buzzwords i could make a madlibs out of it.

I don't like it when I agree with you.

The police in the US certainly need reform and for the 'good apples' to step up their game at putting down the bad ones, but it's not fair to claim their entire purpose is racist or that all of them are murderous.

The police were literally formed as successors to slave catchers. How is that not racist. They aren’t all murders, but the ones that aren’t haven’t done shit to stop it.

Phaenix wrote:What a disgusting human being. Not only do you break into his house and kill his girlfriend, you sue him for defending yourself? And the Blue Lives Matter people are gonna be clamoring that they should lock the boyfriend up for daring to defend himself against our "impeccable" police force.

There's no limits to the stupidity of socCons... If you dare to believe in human rights they call you a "Liberal" which they use so much that they don't even know what it remotely means...

Greater Malegron wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:I have probably been paying more attention than you. I've read some of your posts and they are chock-full of miss-info. Yeah, sometimes humans, who are broken and fallible creatures, do bad things. It happens.
You, however, have seemed to swallow hole the "burn it all down because it's irreversibly racist" pill that is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Gee, it’s almost like cops were created specifically to enforce and perpetuate a racist system. You can take that “some cops are bad but it’s not all cops” and throw it down a well. If you’re too privileged to see the rot behind the very institution of police itself, rather than individuals, that’s on you. Why wouldn’t we burn it all down. It’s a vehicle through which the oppressor controls the oppressed.

Please, stop, you're going to make me pee myself!

What a load of garbage that statement is. One of the first things you need in a functional society are laws and people who enforce the laws. Of course, they sometimes become abused and that's the story of broken humanity.
"Racist system" my a##. People of color in the US still have more wealth than almost any other POC anywhere else in the world. Mind you, I'm not the whitest of all white people, I've been mistaken as someone who's from South America or sometimes as someone who's from the South Pacific region, and I have not once had an issue with any cop ever.
"Privileged" my a## as well. I'm considered lower middle class, which is still quite good compared to the rest of the world. I see no fact in your statement, not a lick.

Nejii wrote:

Andsed wrote:I think the best way to treat them is to reserve them for situations where there is a present danger of violence. Something like a hostage situation. Otherwise it is best to just not use them imo.

Hmm, an interesting direction. And plausible. But, respectfully, how would you prevent the destruction or discarding of evidence? After all, there have been trial cases that hinged on a single piece of evidence in the past. I suppose it would be as simple as knock and then move fast. Same thing with a suspect with a quick escape route.

I guess context would have a lot to do with it, based on what sort of evidence they think is there and how easily it can be disposed of. Also covering all the exits before knocking would likely be wise.

Greater Malegron wrote:

Albrenia wrote:
I don't like it when I agree with you.

The police in the US certainly need reform and for the 'good apples' to step up their game at putting down the bad ones, but it's not fair to claim their entire purpose is racist or that all of them are murderous.

The police were literally formed as successors to slave catchers. How is that not racist. They aren’t all murders, but the ones that aren’t haven’t done shit to stop it.

really?

law enforcement didnt exist before?

Greater Malegron wrote:

Albrenia wrote:
I don't like it when I agree with you.

The police in the US certainly need reform and for the 'good apples' to step up their game at putting down the bad ones, but it's not fair to claim their entire purpose is racist or that all of them are murderous.

The police were literally formed as successors to slave catchers. How is that not racist. They aren’t all murders, but the ones that aren’t haven’t done shit to stop it.

How erroneous. The American police were your typical constables that could be found anywhere else in the world from Great Britain to India. They weren’t formed solely as “black suppressors”. What ANTIFA pamphlet did you get that from?

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:

Greater Malegron wrote:Gee, it’s almost like cops were created specifically to enforce and perpetuate a racist system. You can take that “some cops are bad but it’s not all cops” and throw it down a well. If you’re too privileged to see the rot behind the very institution of police itself, rather than individuals, that’s on you. Why wouldn’t we burn it all down. It’s a vehicle through which the oppressor controls the oppressed.

Please, stop, you're going to make me pee myself!

What a load of garbage that statement is. One of the first things you need in a functional society are laws and people who enforce the laws. Of course, they sometimes become abused and that's the story of broken humanity.
"Racist system" my a##. People of color in the US still have more wealth than almost any other POC anywhere else in the world. Mind you, I'm not the whitest of all white people, I've been mistaken as someone who's from South America or sometimes as someone who's from the South Pacific region, and I have not once had an issue with any cop ever.
"Privileged" my a## as well. I'm considered lower middle class, which is still quite good compared to the rest of the world. I see no fact in your statement, not a lick.

If by “people who enforce the laws” you mean “state-funded death squads” because if you’re black, that’s pretty much what they are.

Albrenia wrote:

Loben III wrote:
so many buzzwords i could make a madlibs out of it.

I don't like it when I agree with you.

The police in the US certainly need reform and for the 'good apples' to step up their game at putting down the bad ones, but it's not fair to claim their entire purpose is racist or that all of them are murderous.

This.

Nejii wrote:

Greater Malegron wrote:The police were literally formed as successors to slave catchers. How is that not racist. They aren’t all murders, but the ones that aren’t haven’t done shit to stop it.

How erroneous. The American police were your typical constables that could be found anywhere else in the world from Great Britain to India. They weren’t formed solely as “black suppressors”. What ANTIFA pamphlet did you get that from?

Antifa are communist fools. We have nothing in common. You realize most of them are white, you know. I’m a black nationalist.

My own knowledge of the origin of career police is pretty shaky, but I vaguely remember something about a protective vigilante gang in England or something getting government support.

Greater Malegron wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Please, stop, you're going to make me pee myself!

What a load of garbage that statement is. One of the first things you need in a functional society are laws and people who enforce the laws. Of course, they sometimes become abused and that's the story of broken humanity.
"Racist system" my a##. People of color in the US still have more wealth than almost any other POC anywhere else in the world. Mind you, I'm not the whitest of all white people, I've been mistaken as someone who's from South America or sometimes as someone who's from the South Pacific region, and I have not once had an issue with any cop ever.
"Privileged" my a## as well. I'm considered lower middle class, which is still quite good compared to the rest of the world. I see no fact in your statement, not a lick.

If by “people who enforce the laws” you mean “state-funded death squads” because if you’re black, that’s pretty much what they are.

Really? I mean, I'm quite tan and uh, I've never even been looked at wrong by a cop. Also, most black people disagree with you, the VAST majority of black people want more cops or the same number of cops they've already had in their neighborhoods. Your logic is fallacious and you are simply dead wrong.

Greater Malegron wrote:

Nejii wrote:
How erroneous. The American police were your typical constables that could be found anywhere else in the world from Great Britain to India. They weren’t formed solely as “black suppressors”. What ANTIFA pamphlet did you get that from?

Antifa are communist fools. We have nothing in common. You realize most of them are white, you know. I’m a black nationalist.

Africa sounds nice this time of year.

Greater Malegron wrote:

Nejii wrote:
How erroneous. The American police were your typical constables that could be found anywhere else in the world from Great Britain to India. They weren’t formed solely as “black suppressors”. What ANTIFA pamphlet did you get that from?

Antifa are communist fools. We have nothing in common. You realize most of them are white, you know. I’m a black nationalist.

Gee, we've found some common ground.

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:"Racist system" my a##. People of color in the US still have more wealth than almost any other POC anywhere else in the world. Mind you, I'm not the whitest of all white people, I've been mistaken as someone who's from South America or sometimes as someone who's from the South Pacific region, and I have not once had an issue with any cop ever.

Not to be disrespectful, but that is a terribly flimsy argument for dismissing systemic racism. Firstly, where do you get that sort of statistic? And how does that dismiss the systemic racism in many of our nation's institutions such as the criminal justice system, housing, and education?

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:

Greater Malegron wrote:If by “people who enforce the laws” you mean “state-funded death squads” because if you’re black, that’s pretty much what they are.

Really? I mean, I'm quite tan and uh, I've never even been looked at wrong by a cop. Also, most black people disagree with you, the VAST majority of black people want more cops or the same number of cops they've already had in their neighborhoods. Your logic is fallacious and you are simply dead wrong.

Yeah I’m sure the Jews wanted more Gestapo on the streets too.

Greater Malegron wrote:

Albrenia wrote:
I don't like it when I agree with you.

The police in the US certainly need reform and for the 'good apples' to step up their game at putting down the bad ones, but it's not fair to claim their entire purpose is racist or that all of them are murderous.

The police were literally formed as successors to slave catchers. How is that not racist. They aren’t all murders, but the ones that aren’t haven’t done shit to stop it.

Eh. While I would agree that there are major issues with racism within the police I don´t think the idea that they were created with the idea of suppressing minorities is necessarily true.

Nejii wrote:

Andsed wrote:I think the best way to treat them is to reserve them for situations where there is a present danger of violence. Something like a hostage situation. Otherwise it is best to just not use them imo.

Hmm, an interesting direction. And plausible. But, respectfully, how would you prevent the destruction or discarding of evidence? After all, there have been trial cases that hinged on a single piece of evidence in the past. I suppose it would be as simple as knock and then move fast. Same thing with a suspect with a quick escape route.

I would say it should depend on what sort of crime being dealt with. If its dealing with say a drug dealer I think its better to use the knock and move quick idea while if its an issue of dismantling a human trafficking ring I think a no knock warrant is justified. I think it should honestly just depend on what harm could be done by the police knocking first.

Loben III wrote:

Greater Malegron wrote:Antifa are communist fools. We have nothing in common. You realize most of them are white, you know. I’m a black nationalist.

Africa sounds nice this time of year.

Africa isn’t black nationalist.

Greater Malegron wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Really? I mean, I'm quite tan and uh, I've never even been looked at wrong by a cop. Also, most black people disagree with you, the VAST majority of black people want more cops or the same number of cops they've already had in their neighborhoods. Your logic is fallacious and you are simply dead wrong.

Yeah I’m sure the Jews wanted more Gestapo on the streets too.

The difference between my statement and yours is that mine is based in fact and yours is not...

Greater Malegron wrote:

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:Really? I mean, I'm quite tan and uh, I've never even been looked at wrong by a cop. Also, most black people disagree with you, the VAST majority of black people want more cops or the same number of cops they've already had in their neighborhoods. Your logic is fallacious and you are simply dead wrong.

Yeah I’m sure the Jews wanted more Gestapo on the streets too.

are you seriously comparing yourself to jews?

Greater Malegron wrote:

Loben III wrote:
Africa sounds nice this time of year.

Africa isn’t black nationalist.

no but its where Black Nationalists belong in my honest opinion.

Andsed wrote:

Greater Malegron wrote:The police were literally formed as successors to slave catchers. How is that not racist. They aren’t all murders, but the ones that aren’t haven’t done shit to stop it.

Eh. While I would agree that there are major issues with racism within the police I don´t think the idea that they were created with the idea of suppressing minorities is necessarily true.

Nejii wrote:
Hmm, an interesting direction. And plausible. But, respectfully, how would you prevent the destruction or discarding of evidence? After all, there have been trial cases that hinged on a single piece of evidence in the past. I suppose it would be as simple as knock and then move fast. Same thing with a suspect with a quick escape route.

I would say it should depend on what sort of crime being dealt with. If its dealing with say a drug dealer I think its better to use the knock and move quick idea while if its an issue of dismantling a human trafficking ring I think a no knock warrant is justified. I think it should honestly just depend on what harm could be done by the police knocking first.

1) US Police originated as patrols to catch escaped slaves in large part.

2) They need to follow rules designed to minimize the possibility of anybody being killed. They need to clearly identify themselves, make demands for surrender, and not instantly shoot anyone they see. Unfortunately American cops do none of these things.