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Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:08 pm**

Kernen wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I mean, I'd get it if it was for catching a kidnapper or something. Not for something that IMO shouldn't even be illegal.

No-knock raids, while extremely effective, create far more issues than they solve when the cops are wrong. They'd be better off risking the loss of some evidence for the benefits to the community.

No-knock raids are legal home invasions.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:35 pm**

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Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:45 pm**

Cordel One wrote:
Kernen wrote:No-knock raids, while extremely effective, create far more issues than they solve when the cops are wrong. They'd be better off risking the loss of some evidence for the benefits to the community.

No-knock raids are legal home invasions.

Any search warrant is a legal home invasion

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:06 pm**

Cordel One wrote:
Kernen wrote:No-knock raids, while extremely effective, create far more issues than they solve when the cops are wrong. They'd be better off risking the loss of some evidence for the benefits to the community.

No-knock raids are legal home invasions.

If you think about it, arrest is legal kidnapping

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:32 pm**

So that 1-day ban was absolute nonsense.

Anyway, the cops who killed Breonna Taylor are garbage human beings, and this one officer has only provided further proof of it.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 7:38 pm**

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Cordel One wrote:No-knock raids are legal home invasions.

If you think about it, arrest is legal kidnapping

I mean, yeah. But it's sort of like saying taxes are legal theft.

We need a world in which arrests are possible, but we also need cops to be held accountable.

Posted: **Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:39 pm**

Neanderthaland wrote:We need a world in which arrests are possible, but we also need cops to be held accountable.

Exactly.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:16 am**

Farnhamia wrote:
Western Theram wrote:acab

*** Warned for trolling ***

Pardon me, but, I'm going to risk my account here, but, I want to know why Theram would be trolling, they're being genuine here, they do genuinely believe in anti-Cop sentiment, and they're not saying it for the sick of it, so, how is it trolling, I know you're a Conservative (if I remember correctly), but, looking at the rules, you would have a point here, the first example does say "All (insert group here) are (insert insult)" would count as trolling, and them being genuine wouldn't excuse trolling either, yes..

But... there's one caveat here, Therams intention was not to attract the attention of trolls, nor to bait, and sure, trollbaiting and trolling can be different things.
However, how can I count your decision to warn them for so-called "trolling", if another mod also partakes in also making such stupid decisions, even if Theram was intending to make people angry or not, but the intent of the phrase "ACAB" is to highlight police brutality, the only people it should make angry are normal human beings who wouldn't think of targeted brutality as a "good thing", and to make them angry at cops themselves, aside from that,

New Visayan Islands wrote:
Cultural Posadism wrote:A couple thoughts:
1. Who the fuck cares if the AG is black? He still lied to the Grand Jury.
2. Breonna Taylor's boyfriend was not a "criminal", nor before nor after her murder, as demonstrated by the fact he's not being prosecuted for shooting the pigs who murdered his girlfriend.
3. Try to be less rabid about your racism.

Yeah, take *** one day off for trolling. ***

Where do I see trolling here?
Is their intent to anger people? It's unknown to me, really, but they are engaged with another person in this argument, and both are displaying the same levels of ferocity in my opinion, but clearly the MGTOW guy wasn't punished either... Odd...
Disagreement can be seen here, obviously, so let's move on,
They're not trollbaiting either, they're not attracting trolls here either, it's quite clear, so, my defense of Theram wasn't as strong as this one, but even so, the only evidence that Posadism could be trolling here is their low level of civility, which, as I stated already, is somewhat at the same level as that of the MGTOW they are arguing with, which only presides on my point that only Cultural Posadism got punished.

And I know that what I'm doing right now is of course gloating, but as I just stated, I'm willing to risk my account to argue with two moderators about their unexplained warning of two people for "trolling" even though their intent here is to not troll, it is to argue with people who want to hopelessly defend a bunch of people who murdered an innocent black woman, and tried to sue her boyfriend, who was defending her, by the way, which, as far as I'm concerned, although I may not be entirely correct here, is legal.

If I do get my account whooped for gloating-so-called, I may cry, I may have a fit, but it'll only prove me right,

But here's the kicker, and this one goes especially to Farmhania,
"Intent is incredibly important and will be judged by the moderators to the best of their abilities."

Let's go back a year, in the forum topic for the Bruneian government trying to implement the use of stoning as a way of executing gay people,
on my account I used at the time, Nyameow (a nation based on the idea of a society for LGBT folk and other disenfranchised people to escape to if they are being harmed in their home countries), I posted on that topic about "throwing rainbow stones at them for payback", it was poorly worded, yes, and only made my situation worse, I was of course referring to the Sultan and the people insistent on implementing stoning,

now, Farmhania, decided to look at the rules, and saw that they should check for the intent, so they did,

so, what was the result, well from what I'm guessing, they didn't really look into it, probably took 1 second, didn't even check to see any background of the poster, or ask them what they meant, and even when I tried to appeal, I got a fat dismissal,

and the same level of determining the intent of the poster here can be seen in both the case of Farmhania warning someone for "trolling", as goes for New Visayan for warning someone for "trolling",

and, I may get warned, kicked, banned, whatever for saying this,

and, as a person whom relies on their own moral compass, one which includes the idea of honesty,

I'll be honest,

I think you're both being twats,

If you can't do the most simplest thing as to check further for any intent,

then clearly, yeah, you're both terrible, terrible at your job,

go ahead, warn me for gloating,

in the end, this may sound narcissistic and "holier-than-thou"ish, but, you're in the wrong,

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:32 am**

Servilis wrote:snip

its not that hard. On is standard all x are y, and in the other called a whole class of people pigs and also a user rabid

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:43 am**

Cordel One wrote:
Kernen wrote:No-knock raids, while extremely effective, create far more issues than they solve when the cops are wrong. They'd be better off risking the loss of some evidence for the benefits to the community.

No-knock raids are legal home invasions.

While no-knock raids are a controversy/incident waiting to happen, they do have a comprehensible purpose. To catch suspects completely off guard and prevent the destruction or hiding of evidence, or to keep suspects from escaping swiftly. That said, no-knock raids have proven to be problematic and even disastrous. Although calling them legal home invasions is a bit melodramatic.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:44 am**

Neanderthaland wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
If you think about it, arrest is legal kidnapping

I mean, yeah. But it's sort of like saying taxes are legal theft.

We need a world in which arrests are possible, but we also need cops to be held accountable.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:51 am**

Gravlen wrote:A training slideshow used by the Kentucky State Police (KSP) was given to some lawyers as part of discovery for a lawsuit. Let us see what the KSP was taught during training up until 2013, shall we?

One slide, titled “Violence of Action,” in addition to imploring officers to be “ruthless killer[s],” instructs troopers to have “a mindset void of emotion” and to “meet violence with greater violence.”

A line from Adolf Hitler’s fascist and anti-Semitic manifesto, Mein Kampf, is featured in the slide: “the very first essential for success is a perpetually constant and regular employment of violence.”

The presentation also links to a Hitler page on Goodreads, a database of quotes and books.

Two other slides quoting Hitler bring his total to three, making him the most quoted person in the presentation.

A closing slide of the Powerpoint simply states “Über Alles” in large text. The phrase, which was previously part of the German national anthem, translates to “above all” or “above everything else,” commonly used to signify national superiority. Modern Germans heavily associate the phrase with the Nazis.

In a deposition on October 14, KSP Captain James Goble said that Lieutenant Curt Hall, whose name is on the slideshow, taught “warrior mentality” trainings at the KSP Academy.

Hall was the Assistant Commander at the KSP Academy from 2005 to 2015, and later became Commander of Internal Affairs at KSP before recently retiring. The internal affairs unit is typically tasked with investigating police misconduct.

The KSP presentation appears to draw heavily from nationally-known police trainer Dave Grossman, who delivers lectures to police forces nation-wide on his theory of “killology” teaching police officers to embrace “the responsibility to kill” and “making it possible for people to kill without conscious thought,” as he said during an interview with PBS’s Frontline.

This is not reassuring...

Quoting this from Gravlen in the Police protest thread. They train the cops how to be basically sick in the head, and people wonder why these deaths occurred.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:56 am**

Aclion wrote:
Servilis wrote:snip

its not that hard. On is standard all x are y, and in the other called a whole class of people pigs and also a user rabid

What's the problem?
Neither of them are wrong.
In my opinion, yes, cops are class traitors, there is no such thing as a good cop, you can give examples of cops doing nice things but they're still class traitors nonetheless.
And why shouldn't a person be allowed to call cops "pigs", people have been calling cops "pigs" for years, they chose to be cops, they weren't born cops, you know who was born the way they are? Minorities, the same minorities that cops became cops just to shit on.

And the user was being a rabid racist, albeit trying to hide it with "but... but... the person I agree with was black..", tokenism is just rabid...

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:15 am**

Servilis wrote:
Aclion wrote:its not that hard. On is standard all x are y, and in the other called a whole class of people pigs and also a user rabid

What's the problem?
Neither of them are wrong.
In my opinion, yes, cops are class traitors, there is no such thing as a good cop, you can give examples of cops doing nice things but they're still class traitors nonetheless.
And why shouldn't a person be allowed to call cops "pigs", people have been calling cops "pigs" for years, they chose to be cops, they weren't born cops, you know who was born the way they are? Minorities, the same minorities that cops became cops just to shit on.

And the user was being a rabid racist, albeit trying to hide it with "but... but... the person I agree with was black..", tokenism is just rabid...

Its nice you feel that way,

However it is still all x is y, and you can't call other posters racists.

If you dont like the site rules, you dont have to stay here.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:01 am**

Servilis wrote:
Aclion wrote:its not that hard. On is standard all x are y, and in the other called a whole class of people pigs and also a user rabid

What's the problem?
Neither of them are wrong.
In my opinion, yes, cops are class traitors, there is no such thing as a good cop, you can give examples of cops doing nice things but they're still class traitors nonetheless.
And why shouldn't a person be allowed to call cops "pigs", people have been calling cops "pigs" for years, they chose to be cops, they weren't born cops, you know who was born the way they are? Minorities, the same minorities that cops became cops just to shit on.

And the user was being a rabid racist, albeit trying to hide it with "but... but... the person I agree with was black..", tokenism is just rabid...

*** Warned for trolling ***

You're welcome to opinions and to express them here but it would be better if you expressed them in a civil manner. If you cannot do that, please don't post. If you can't do that, you might want to consider patronizing a different site.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:03 pm**

Ethel mermania wrote:
Servilis wrote:What's the problem?
Neither of them are wrong.
In my opinion, yes, cops are class traitors, there is no such thing as a good cop, you can give examples of cops doing nice things but they're still class traitors nonetheless.
And why shouldn't a person be allowed to call cops "pigs", people have been calling cops "pigs" for years, they chose to be cops, they weren't born cops, you know who was born the way they are? Minorities, the same minorities that cops became cops just to shit on.

And the user was being a rabid racist, albeit trying to hide it with "but... but... the person I agree with was black..", tokenism is just rabid...

Its nice you feel that way,

However it is still all x is y, and you can't call other posters racists.

If you dont like the site rules, you dont have to stay here.

It’s actually more like all x is x. And if a poster is racist, then yeah, you can call them racist. Have you seen the shit cops do on a daily basis? Cops are rotten to the core, the very institution. Cops exist solely to perpetuate the white supremacist system and keep other races under their boot. They are functionally similar to the SS. That ain’t trolling, that’s observation. If a cop was “good”, they wouldn’t have become a cop. So the only good cop isn’t.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:45 pm**

The amount of anti-cop nonsense and stupidity displayed in this thread makes me want to quit NS and kill myself if I can manage to do so before having an aneurysm.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:46 pm**

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The amount of anti-cop nonsense and stupidity displayed in this thread makes me want to quit NS and kill myself if I can manage to do so before having an aneurysm.

Try not to get so worked up about stuff you read on the internet.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:48 pm**

Neanderthaland wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The amount of anti-cop nonsense and stupidity displayed in this thread makes me want to quit NS and kill myself if I can manage to do so before having an aneurysm.

Try not to get so worked up about stuff you read on the internet.

Yeah, I don't actually feel that strongly about this thread but I'm certainly not clicking on it ever again...

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:48 pm**

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The amount of anti-cop nonsense and stupidity displayed in this thread makes me want to quit NS and kill myself if I can manage to do so before having an aneurysm.

“Anti-cop nonsense”. Either you haven’t been paying attention, or worse, you don’t care. If you don’t see the wrongs that cops are committing, then I don’t know what to tell you.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:48 pm**

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Try not to get so worked up about stuff you read on the internet.

Yeah, I don't actually feel that strongly about this thread but I'm certainly not clicking on it ever again...

Ok, thanks for dropping by.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:51 pm**

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Neanderthaland wrote:Try not to get so worked up about stuff you read on the internet.

Yeah, I don't actually feel that strongly about this thread but I'm certainly not clicking on it ever again...

If it annoys you, might be best to probably take a break.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:53 pm**

Greater Malegron wrote:
The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:The amount of anti-cop nonsense and stupidity displayed in this thread makes me want to quit NS and kill myself if I can manage to do so before having an aneurysm.

“Anti-cop nonsense”. Either you haven’t been paying attention, or worse, you don’t care. If you don’t see the wrongs that cops are committing, then I don’t know what to tell you.

I have probably been paying more attention than you. I've read some of your posts and they are chock-full of miss-info. Yeah, sometimes humans, who are broken and fallible creatures, do bad things. It happens.
You, however, have seemed to swallow hole the "burn it all down because it's irreversibly racist" pill that is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:59 pm**

The Federal Government of Iowa wrote:
Greater Malegron wrote:“Anti-cop nonsense”. Either you haven’t been paying attention, or worse, you don’t care. If you don’t see the wrongs that cops are committing, then I don’t know what to tell you.

I have probably been paying more attention than you. I've read some of your posts and they are chock-full of miss-info. Yeah, sometimes humans, who are broken and fallible creatures, do bad things. It happens.
You, however, have seemed to swallow hole the "burn it all down because it's irreversibly racist" pill that is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life.

Gee, it’s almost like cops were created specifically to enforce and perpetuate a racist system. You can take that “some cops are bad but it’s not all cops” and throw it down a well. If you’re too privileged to see the rot behind the very institution of police itself, rather than individuals, that’s on you. Why wouldn’t we burn it all down. It’s a vehicle through which the oppressor controls the oppressed.

Posted: **Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:00 pm**

Nejii wrote:
Cordel One wrote:No-knock raids are legal home invasions.

While no-knock raids are a controversy/incident waiting to happen, they do have a comprehensible purpose. To catch suspects completely off guard and prevent the destruction or hiding of evidence, or to keep suspects from escaping swiftly. That said, no-knock raids have proven to be problematic and even disastrous. Although calling them illegal kidnapping is a bit melodramatic.

I think the best way to treat them is to reserve them for situations where there is a present danger of violence. Something like a hostage situation. Otherwise it is best to just not use them imo.

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