Ford and GM knew about climate change 50 years ago, lied

[The New California Republic]

this is why a democratic capitalist society is so important. Without oversight to keep capitalism in check it will inevitably self-destruct to turn a profit.

...this happened in a democratic capitalist society...so I don't see what you are getting at here.

[Sanghyeok]

this is why a democratic capitalist society is so important. Without oversight to keep capitalism in check it will inevitably self-destruct to turn a profit.

...this happened in a democratic capitalist society...so I don't see what you are getting at here.

"Democratic" capitalist society.

[Nevertopia]

this is why a democratic capitalist society is so important. Without oversight to keep capitalism in check it will inevitably self-destruct to turn a profit.

...this happened in a democratic capitalist society...so I don't see what you are getting at here.

which is now waking up to the affects of climate change and pushing for renewable energy.

[The New California Republic]

this is why a democratic capitalist society is so important. Without oversight to keep capitalism in check it will inevitably self-destruct to turn a profit.

...this happened in a democratic capitalist society...so I don't see what you are getting at here.

which is now waking up to the affects of climate change and pushing for renewable energy.

but again it didn't stop the Ford and GM thing happening in the first place.

[Sanghyeok]

...this happened in a democratic capitalist society...so I don't see what you are getting at here.

which is now waking up to the affects of climate change and pushing for renewable energy.

Sure it is. Climate change will kill us all before capitalism actually changes the way we run things.

Sorry, that was too pessimistic. Capitalism will kill all of the poor people before climate change is solved.

[Sanghyeok]

which is now waking up to the affects of climate change and pushing for renewable energy.

but again it didn't stop the Ford and GM thing happening in the first place.

The only thing I can hope for is renewable energy prices to drop drastically. Even then greedy oil barons and shareholders will be gasping and with their last breath, trying to bring down solar energy before they and their companies go bankrupt.

[Dumb Ideologies]

...this happened in a democratic capitalist society...so I don't see what you are getting at here.

"Democratic" capitalist society.

cant wait to vote out the extreme weather events and global resource wars

[Washington Resistance Army]

but the free market is supposed to be good and fix all the things : (

[Kowani]

"Democratic" capitalist society.

cant wait to vote out the extreme weather events and global resource wars

Vote to lock the revolving door!

[Nevertopia]

which is now waking up to the affects of climate change and pushing for renewable energy.

but again it didn't stop the Ford and GM thing happening in the first place.

imagine if it wasnt democratic in the first place. we would never get to a solution. the push for regulations is good. it gives the power to the people.

[The New California Republic]

but again it didn't stop the Ford and GM thing happening in the first place.

imagine if it wasnt democratic in the first place. we would never get to a solution. the push for regulations is good. it gives the power to the people.

Sorry but this post is essentially nonsense.

[Esalia]

but again it didn't stop the Ford and GM thing happening in the first place.

imagine if it wasnt democratic in the first place. we would never get to a solution. the push for regulations is good. it gives the power to the people.

Right, but you stated that a democratic capitalist society was needed to provide oversight.

GM/Ford did this fifty years ago and got away with it, in a democratic capitalist society. They've gotten little to no punishment, and the thing they covered up is still a problem today and there's a very real chance we don't successfully solve it.

That's not oversight. That's letting companies get away with destructive behaviour until it literally became impossible to ignore it.

[Plzen]

Democracy and capitalism are good because they ultimately force powerful interests to act as the people (voters, in the case of democracy, or consumers, in the case of capitalism) want them to. The problem is that the people often don't know what's good for them.

I don't think the solution is to abolish democracy or capitalism. That would just bring back the olden days of powerful interests not even pretending to care about the people. And we can't exactly get rid of popular ignorance, either - it's not reasonable, probably not even possible, that the average voter/consumer be well-informed in every possible field of learning that may be of relevance in social issues.

A very sticky problem indeed.

[Nevertopia]

imagine if it wasnt democratic in the first place. we would never get to a solution. the push for regulations is good. it gives the power to the people.

Sorry but this post is essentially nonsense.

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Sorry but this post is essentially nonsense.

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

Given the state of the world that really doesn't seem to be the case.

[The New California Republic]

Sorry but this post is essentially nonsense.

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

I am shocked, shocked!

Well not that shocked.

[Kowani]

Sorry but this post is essentially nonsense.

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

This has to be a self-parody.

[Nevertopia]

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

Given the state of the world that really doesn't seem to be the case.

poverty and inequality are being eliminated faster than any other point in human history and the average life expectancy has improved dramatically. Capitalism along with Democracy has ushered in an age of rapid improvements to the human condition. Regulating capitalism as well as letting democracy choose who the people want to lead in spite of its shortcomings has been the most effective at self-correcting and empowering the common man above the elites despite what the vocal minority who abuse the system like Ford and GM do. Hopefully Ford and GM will get fined, sued so they can financially contribute to the problem they made. Hopefully the people will vote those to power the ones who would carry out their will. Hopefully renewable energies can gain more traction after this.

[Nevertopia]

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

This has to be a self-parody.

idk man this is what basic highschool education taught me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Given the state of the world that really doesn't seem to be the case.

poverty and inequality are being eliminated faster than any other point in human history as well as the average life expectancy. Capitalism along with Democracy has ushered in an age of rapid improvements to the human condition. Regulating capitalism as well as letting democracy choose who the people want to lead in spite of its shortcomings has been the most effective at self-correcting and empowering the common man above the elites despite what the vocal minority who abuse the system like Ford and GM do. Hopefully Ford and GM will get fined, sued so they can financially contribute to the problem they made. Hopefully the people will vote those to power the ones who would carry out their will. Hopefully renewable energies can gain more traction after this.

Poverty is going down while rampant consumerism literally destroys the planet and will over the coming decades cause unprecedented movements of human populations as people have to flee environmental disasters that we caused. Progress!

[Nevertopia]

poverty and inequality are being eliminated faster than any other point in human history as well as the average life expectancy. Capitalism along with Democracy has ushered in an age of rapid improvements to the human condition. Regulating capitalism as well as letting democracy choose who the people want to lead in spite of its shortcomings has been the most effective at self-correcting and empowering the common man above the elites despite what the vocal minority who abuse the system like Ford and GM do. Hopefully Ford and GM will get fined, sued so they can financially contribute to the problem they made. Hopefully the people will vote those to power the ones who would carry out their will. Hopefully renewable energies can gain more traction after this.

Poverty is going down while rampant consumerism literally destroys the planet and will over the coming decades cause unprecedented movements of human populations as people have to flee environmental disasters that we caused. Progress!

Yes thats why things like environmental regulation are important. Capitalism without checks and balances is destructive after all.

[Sanghyeok]

no it isnt. Regulating capitalism and a democratically ellected government to oversee it being carried it is currently the best system humanity has come up with.

Democracy and capitalism cannot exist side by side. Democracy is more important, therefore capitalism must go.

[Nevertopia]

Democracy and capitalism cannot exist side by side. Democracy is more important, therefore capitalism must go.

you're very uninformed.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Poverty is going down while rampant consumerism literally destroys the planet and will over the coming decades cause unprecedented movements of human populations as people have to flee environmental disasters that we caused. Progress!

Yes thats why things like environmental regulation are important. Capitalism without checks and balances is destructive after all.

Your regulations are too little too late.