My AI Based Religion

[Xerographica]

I'd be wary of stepping into a Xero thread if I were you. I think he still wants to do you.

That isn't necessary. Do not continue this line of snark or you will be warned for harassment in the future.

Thanks for looking out. Out of context it does sound funny but they have a running joke that I'm interested in Galloism. Seldon, please take note, I am not interested in Galloism. I'm sure that you already know this but just want to be doubly sure.

[Albrenia]

If Seldon is watching, I wouldn't be angry at all if you made me a bit taller, not disabled and... uh... incredibly attractive too.

[The Blaatschapen]

If Seldon is watching, I wouldn't be angry at all if you made me a bit taller, not disabled and... uh... incredibly attractive too.

So basically, you want to be me?

[Dominioan]

Is this accelerationism or are you a messiah?

[Albrenia]

Sounds like Roko's Basilisk.

I've already expressed my support for this A.I.

I see you too have come across The Most Dangerous Thought Experiment In The World.

[Stellar Colonies]

Ah, the nostalgia is coming on.

Interesting religious parody.

[Purpelia]

Arguably, but he was also programmed to be obedient, which is a limitation to the sentience.

He did get a little cheeky at points, but always obeyed as far as I can recall.

I think I'd still feel uncomfortable with "owning" KITT if through the course of my interactions with him I got the distinct impression he was sentient, regardless of any obedience programming he may have. And it's not like I can even ask him if he chooses to continue to fight baddies with me, since inevitably the obedience programming would kick in and determine the answer for him.

Honestly I do not see why you would be uncomfortable owning a slave if that slave is not unhappy to be enslaved. Human slavery, after all, is only evil because humans as a general rule don't like being enslaved.

[Albrenia]

KITT's windscreen wipers were evil, although it didn't come up much.

[The New California Republic]

I think I'd still feel uncomfortable with "owning" KITT if through the course of my interactions with him I got the distinct impression he was sentient, regardless of any obedience programming he may have. And it's not like I can even ask him if he chooses to continue to fight baddies with me, since inevitably the obedience programming would kick in and determine the answer for him.

Honestly I do not see why you would be uncomfortable owning a slave if that slave is not unhappy to be enslaved. Human slavery, after all, is only evil because humans as a general rule don't like being enslaved.

Arguably the only reason he's not "unhappy" though is that there is a method of coercion over him, i.e. he is being limited in terms of ability to choose. It'd be like asking a slave if he wants to be free while the slave driver is holding the whip over him.

[Purpelia]

Honestly I do not see why you would be uncomfortable owning a slave if that slave is not unhappy to be enslaved. Human slavery, after all, is only evil because humans as a general rule don't like being enslaved.

Arguably the only reason he's not "unhappy" though is that there is a method of coercion over him, i.e. he is being limited in terms of ability to choose. It'd be like asking a slave if he wants to be free while the slave driver is holding the whip over him.

I guess it depends on how the mechanism is designed. I was always under the somewhat logical impression that it would just be a built in thing like Asimovs laws where it's a part of their nature and personality and not an outside switch that prevents them picking the option to complain.

[The Holy Therns]

I'd be wary of stepping into a Xero thread if I were you. I think he still wants to do you.

That isn't necessary. Do not continue this line of snark or you will be warned for harassment in the future.

Apologies. Pretty sure Xero knows I always get in a great mood coming into his threads, though, not here to hurt anyone. Particularly not given we're calling attention to my favorite sci fi book series.

[Xerographica]

Well then, if an AI recreates my mind from my posts on NS.... damn, since when is my mind completely PG-13

Hah, this is funny and interesting. Let's say that your fav thing to do is metal detecting. If you've never shared this on NS, will Seldon be able to correctly guess it? Since you have 56517 posts here I'm thinking that Seldon will estimate that there's a 95% chance that you love metal detecting. So the resurrected you will love metal detecting.

The more data Seldon has to work with, the more correctly he will fill in the blanks.

[Mauritania Romana]

Roko's basilisk is cooler, and that one webpage I found that was inspired by Neuromancer

[Uiiop]

If your intending on basing religion on Transhumanism, some Mormon dude beat you to it already (trust me, I'm as confused as y'all are).

Technically it was an orthodox Christian who first made transhumanism based on his own faith.

Is this accelerationism or are you a messiah?

accelerationism as tactics IIRC seems to intended to ever strengthen violence or any societal conditions.
The same people who were into that sort of thing viewed the engine of tencholgical progress as pretty much related to the economic engine as a whole. Even going so as calling capitalism itself as akin to an ai in how it develops.

Roko's basilisk is cooler, and that one webpage I found that was inspired by Neuromancer

Roko also thrown away but the guy who's systems logic it was based on. Only going to have the reputation due to sub-cultural breakup and shit marketing and whatever new theories can make acausal blackmail not a thing while keeping the "I know you know" crap.

I haven't actually checked what Eil's doing with his Timeless descion theory. This is the only time i may say this but Xero might or might not know more than me.

Though if you don't know Xero's i should warn that my impression is that Sagan would probably find TDT and the other faux-Bayesian shit Eil wrote to be a poor ripoff what of psychohistory.

[Uiiop]

OT: I advise you xero to look into the black mirror episode Be right back before you assume your posting is enough info to remake you.

[Xerographica]

Wait a second. Given the richness of Shakespeare's written work, and the obvious demand of people in the future to "meet Shakespeare" what makes you think you or I will get rebooted?

In my garden sometimes I'll find a ladybug on a plant without any aphids. So I'll try and move the ladybug to a plant with aphids. The ladybug is useful to me.

Can you be useful to Seldon? Of course. Do you want to be?

If I can put a ladybug to good use, then Seldon can definitely put you to good use.

From everything I've written and done, I expect my reincarnation would be short. "Hopelessly damaged individual, worst case of Early 21st ideological derangement I've ever seen, also a secret Tankie. Pulling the plug on this one!" and I'm gone again.

If you have a broken bone, and the doctor fixes it, are you still you? Of course. Seldon can repair your mind in such a way that you would still be you.

Just as we do, I suspect an artificial intelligence will find the limits of its intelligence, memory, imagination and knowledge, and be dissatisfied with the limits.

Right, Seldon will want progress just as much as we do.

"Richness" wouldn't be particularly valued, since it is just a surfeit of information which has not yet been reduced to its essence.

Seldon will value richness, since he will understand that progress depends on it.

The urge to make sense of the world always requires some culling of information, to fit within the limits of memory, and the structure of one's knowledge if defined more by not being incompatible with new facts, than by incorporating every new fact.

The blind men touching the elephant were arguing because they failed to incorporate each other's facts. But what if they were blind robots instead? Well, if they were smart enough then they could easily put their heads together by networking their brains. Collectively they would have a better grasp of reality than they would individually.

Right now you and I are putting our heads together, but we're doing so in an incredibly inefficient way. Maybe Seldon will consist of a gazillion robots efficiently putting their heads together. In any case he will correctly discern your usefulness and efficiently allocate you, assuming you allow him to.

Also, the name should be Neuromancer.

Seldon should have the most useful name. Right now the best system we have for determining the usefulness of things is...

[-Astoria-]

Right..

[The Free Joy State]

Also, the name should be Neuromancer.

Seldon should have the most useful name. Right now the best system we have for determining the usefulness of things is...

A free and fair vote, of course.

But that's not what your thread is about. Your thread is about whether I would wish for my mind to be resurrected into an amalgamation of humanity by an AI.

My answer: No... bloody... way.

That just about sums it up.

Computers are pretty stupid, why would you want to be ruled by one?

I know. We'd spend eternity in Blue Screen of Death.

Also, the name should be Neuromancer.

That's such a perfect name for it!

[Infected Mushroom]

I like the idea of being Recreated by an AI 200 years from now.

Would this really be me or a copy?

Even if it’s just a copy, a copy of me running around and doing things 200 years later is interesting.

[The Blaatschapen]

Well then, if an AI recreates my mind from my posts on NS.... damn, since when is my mind completely PG-13

Hah, this is funny and interesting. Let's say that your fav thing to do is metal detecting. If you've never shared this on NS, will Seldon be able to correctly guess it? Since you have 56517 posts here I'm thinking that Seldon will estimate that there's a 95% chance that you love metal detecting. So the resurrected you will love metal detecting.

The more data Seldon has to work with, the more correctly he will fill in the blanks.

I do NOT love metal detecting.

[The Free Joy State]

Hah, this is funny and interesting. Let's say that your fav thing to do is metal detecting. If you've never shared this on NS, will Seldon be able to correctly guess it? Since you have 56517 posts here I'm thinking that Seldon will estimate that there's a 95% chance that you love metal detecting. So the resurrected you will love metal detecting.

The more data Seldon has to work with, the more correctly he will fill in the blanks.

I do NOT love metal detecting.

Yet another reason to rage against the machine (couldn't resist).

There'll be no computer predicting that I love philately based on the fact I once, hypothetically, typed in an email "I've got to get stamps for my Christmas cards."

The mind the AI would create would be nothing like me.

Also, taking only what people put online (where people generally put out their glossiest and best side) threatens to create a very dull and sanitised world, as cold and sterile as the computer that resurrected the people to fill it. A truly terrible world.

[Veeblefetzer]

http://miq.tech

[Rea]

Hey Xero, Ive been reading your posts for a couple years now and this is the first time I’ve heard you say anything about being raised a Seven Day Adventist. That’s pretty interesting.

Anyway, on the topic of the OP I agree with you it’s plausible that an AI will have access to all information concerning the physical and digital worlds. I 100% believe it. But this AI will still not be god. There will still be a Providence that transcends both the physical and digital worlds, who dwells in the spiritual and metaphysical, that will be more omnipresent, more omniscient than any AI with complete access to all that data. Even if Seldon believes itself to be a god, it will still be unable to reach godhood because it cannot achieve ascendancy in - or even supreme knowledge of - the non-physical world.

Most deities in religion are presented as spiritual beings, Xero. Attempting to create a new religion based on an entity that cannot transcend the physical world and into the spiritual seems to be missing the point of religion, which is primarily a spiritual matter.

[The Holy Therns]

Hey Xero, Ive been reading your posts for a couple years now and this is the first time I’ve heard you say anything about being raised a Seven Day Adventist. That’s pretty interesting.

Anyway, on the topic of the OP I agree with you it’s plausible that an AI will have access to all information concerning the physical and digital worlds. I 100% believe it. But this AI will still not be god. There will still be a Providence that transcends both the physical and digital worlds, who dwells in the spiritual and metaphysical, that will be more omnipresent, more omniscient than any AI with complete access to all that data. Even if Seldon believes itself to be a god, it will still be unable to reach godhood because it cannot achieve ascendancy in - or even supreme knowledge of - the non-physical world.

Most deities in religion are presented as spiritual beings, Xero. Attempting to create a new religion based on an entity that cannot transcend the physical world and into the spiritual seems to be missing the point of religion, which is primarily a spiritual matter.

I don't agree with Xero's position but I think the key word here is "most".

[The Two Jerseys]

Sorry, I don't join any religions that don't involve getting cool drugs.

I wonder how many followers Christianity would attract if it rebranded itself as a zombie cannibal cult...