Poland abortion ruling sparks 'women's strike'

[Tinhampton]

Why are people praising this "women's strike" here on a scale that I would not expect for a common-and-garden variety pro-choice protest - or, for that matter, even a Women's March?

[The Reformed American Republic]

Bing-bong, your rights are gone

You don't believe in rights, so abortion is just a privilege.

[Vassenor]

"Women" have been threatening to go on strike since the days of Aristophanes. I doubt such a "strike" would be any more successful today than it would have been back then.

Well done, Poland. Eliminating children with Down's syndrome pre-birth as bad as eliminating them post-birth. And we all know of at least one person who was all in on the latter policy.

So you're ok with the rise in unsafe back alley procedures that will result from this ban?

[Kowani]

Bing-bong, your rights are gone

You don't believe in rights, so abortion is just a privilege.

Almost like my views have been changing over the past months or something.
Funny how that works.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The democratic government of Poland has failed to represent it's people.

Yeet the anti sjws out and get a center left party installed next election.

[Turelisa-]

"Women" have been threatening to go on strike since the days of Aristophanes. I doubt such a "strike" would be any more successful today than it would have been back then.

Well done, Poland. Eliminating children with Down's syndrome pre-birth as bad as eliminating them post-birth. And we all know of at least one person who was all in on the latter policy.

So you're ok with the rise in unsafe back alley procedures that will result from this ban?

Instead of obeying the law and giving life to their unborn babies, whom they have the right to donate to people who are in a position to raise them, the women would be choosing to use illegal and potentially unsafe procedures, well aware of the potential danger to their lives and the risk of prosecution and punishment.

[The Slayers Republic]

Not good. Poland has veered too far to the right in recent years with its LGBT-free zones and its souring relationship with Israel. Eastern Europe on a whole seems to be becoming less and less Western by the day. Concerns have also been raised that Poland is trying to become a Singapore-style illiberal democracy. I fully support the demonstrations.

Huh, what as surprise?

[Vassenor]

So you're ok with the rise in unsafe back alley procedures that will result from this ban?

Instead of obeying the law and giving life to their unborn babies, whom they have the right to donate to people who are in a position to raise them, the women would be choosing to use illegal and potentially unsafe procedures, well aware of the potential danger to their lives and the risk of prosecution and punishment.

So what state is the foster and adoption system in in Poland?

[The New California Republic]

Instead of obeying the law and giving life to their unborn babies, whom they have the right to donate to people who are in a position to raise them

You neglected to mention that they just need to have their body usurped by the fetus for 9 months before that happens.

the women would be choosing to use illegal and potentially unsafe procedures, well aware of the potential danger to their lives and the risk of prosecution and punishment.

Actually it has been estimated that hundreds of thousands of Polish women travel abroad for abortions every year. So the abortions are still happening, the only difference is that they aren't happening in Poland; and that the women that the law punishes are those who cannot travel abroad for the procedure, either because they cannot afford it or because they are in abusive relationship.

[Kernen]

This is an excellent ruling, and a “women’s strike” would just demonstrate the wisdom of traditional gender roles, as it actually would have a net positive effect.

Lol I can hardly imagine my wife being better off in a traditional gender role. I'd eat crap food, we'd be stuck being parents, our household income would drop by more than half...maybe traditional gender roles and their social effects are, quelle surprise, not for everybody. Good on Polish women for finding their voices.

[Major-Tom]

"Women" have been threatening to go on strike since the days of Aristophanes. I doubt such a "strike" would be any more successful today than it would have been back then.

Well done, Poland. Eliminating children with Down's syndrome pre-birth as bad as eliminating them post-birth. And we all know of at least one person who was all in on the latter policy.

So you're ok with the rise in unsafe back alley procedures that will result from this ban?

Judging by his tone, I don't think that's his main stake in this, ya know what I mean?

Who puts apostrophes around women?

[Sanghyeok]

So you're ok with the rise in unsafe back alley procedures that will result from this ban?

Judging by his tone, I don't think that's his main stake in this, ya know what I mean?

Who puts apostrophes around women?

One look at their username and my suspicions were confirmed.

[ArenaC]

I stand with the brave women of Poland, who fight against this ruling. Abortion access is critical, and is a human right nobody should ever take away. May their strike be successful.

Yes

[Endem]

Instead of obeying the law and giving life to their unborn babies, whom they have the right to donate to people who are in a position to raise them, the women would be choosing to use illegal and potentially unsafe procedures, well aware of the potential danger to their lives and the risk of prosecution and punishment.

So what state is the foster and adoption system in in Poland?

By the way, Polish foster and adoption system is bad, most children have to life in foster homes as there is not enough families to take them in, and judging by the amount of charities each year for foster children, it is probably underfunded

Coming from a Polish person

[Cordel One]

Judging by his tone, I don't think that's his main stake in this, ya know what I mean?

Who puts apostrophes around women?

One look at their username and my suspicions were confirmed.

When you're going your own way so much that you obsess over what women do with their bodies

[The Reformed American Republic]

You don't believe in rights, so abortion is just a privilege.

Almost like my views have been changing over the past months or something.
Funny how that works.

No, you realized that denying the existence of rights when non-leftists complain while claiming that "victim" groups are being unjustly deprived of their rights doesn't make sense and gets your views mocked.

[Kowani]

Almost like my views have been changing over the past months or something.
Funny how that works.

No, you realized that denying the existence of rights when non-leftists complain while claiming that "victim" groups are being unjustly deprived of their rights doesn't make sense and gets your views mocked.

Or…you could have actually looked at my posts and realized that my beliefs have been evolving or something. But that would take effort.

[Shrillland]

The democratic government of Poland has failed to represent it's people.

Yeet the anti sjws out and get a center left party installed next election.

I doubt the Lewica parties are going to get that far anytime soon myself. As it is, PiS still has a majority coalition since United Poland didn't completely back out of it, so it'll be three years before that happens.

[The Free Joy State]

Good for the women of Poland. I hope they keep up the fight. The laws there were already far too stringent.

This change threatens most the poor and vulnerable women, women who cannot fly to Germany and Slovakia and obtain cheaper, safe abortions in clinics where women "are not made to feel like criminals" (my source below). The women who will suffer most, left to face riskier, illegal procedures in Poland are the poorer women who are already more likely to get pregnant because they cannot afford 400 zlotys for an private appointment plus 120 zlotys for a birth control pill prescription (four times a year, 13% of average earnings; Viagra, by contrast, needs no prescription).

Before these new laws, it was estimated that up to 150,000 illegal abortions occurred every year in Poland and abroad (between one-quarter and one-third of all Polish women have had an abortion). How many more illegal abortions must now occur under these new laws?

[Picairn]

As far as I see, the Supreme Court holds way too much power in many Western democracies. From the US and now Poland. This is certainly weird since I thought the legislature is the one to make laws, not the judicial branch.

[The Reformed American Republic]

No, you realized that denying the existence of rights when non-leftists complain while claiming that "victim" groups are being unjustly deprived of their rights doesn't make sense and gets your views mocked.

Or…you could have actually looked at my posts and realized that my beliefs have been evolving or something. But that would take effort.

I'm sure you're the king of putting effort into understanding opposing views yourself.

As far as I see, the Supreme Court holds way too much power in many Western democracies. From the US and now Poland. This is certainly weird since I thought the legislature is the one to make laws, not the judicial branch.

I actually agree with this. Unless a law or policy crushes freedom of speech or another essential right, I do think the judiciary should exercise more restraint. The legislature is supposed to set the laws and that includes how much access to abortion one should have and what regulations should be in effect.

[Ifreann]

Solidarity with the people in the streets of Poland. Hopefully they can toss this government into the sea before it gets any more fascist.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The democratic government of Poland has failed to represent it's people.

Yeet the anti sjws out and get a center left party installed next election.

I doubt the Lewica parties are going to get that far anytime soon myself. As it is, PiS still has a majority coalition since United Poland didn't completely back out of it, so it'll be three years before that happens.

PiS has lost seats in the Polish goverment in the last election and theses protests will only decay there support in Poland.

PiS is a shitty pollical party full of anti sjw wankers. They will lose power over time. Shit like this will speed up there decay.

[Mercatus]

Good on Poland for this ruling. Abortion is murder of an innocent human being and these pro-choice activists wish to deny a fetus their right to life. Pro-Choice activists are hypocrites, they say that people don't have the right to make medical decisions for others, yet an expecting mother deciding to terminate a child still growing inside her is doing exactly that. I find what these women are doing to be appalling, and they deserve whatever punishment is coming to them.

[Necroghastia]

Good on Poland for this ruling. Abortion is murder of an innocent human being and these pro-choice activists wish to deny a fetus their right to life. Pro-Choice activists are hypocrites, they say that people don't have the right to make medical decisions for others, yet an expecting mother deciding to terminate a child still growing inside her is doing exactly that. I find what these women are doing to be appalling, and they deserve whatever punishment is coming to them.

A fetus is no more a human being than a tumor, particularly in the first several weeks. Moreover, what born human has the right to use another's body in such a way?