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Postby Aclion » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:51 pm

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Galloism wrote:Both republicans and democrats have done this at varying time and places. I think the most recent case was last year in the state senate in oregon the republicans pulled that and they couldn't reach quorum.

I'm not sure what the rules are on rounding them up. I know the sergeant at arms for the senate can round them up and force them back if they're inside DC, but I'm not sure what the rules are if they actually make it out of the district.


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Postby Rusozak » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:57 pm

I'm not enough of a masochist to give serious thought to such an outcome. Just praying for a clear victory and taking it day by day.
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Postby Kowani » Fri Oct 30, 2020 12:10 am

Rusozak wrote:I'm not enough of a masochist to give serious thought to such an outcome. Just praying for a clear victory and taking it day by day.

Nightmare, however...
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:14 am

Cordel One wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
At least one person's gonna get their kink fulfilled, I feel.

It seems like every woman with power gets really sexualized and it's kinda weird.

Yes, it is...
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:26 am

Stellar Colonies wrote:
Cordel One wrote:It seems like every woman with power gets really sexualized and it's kinda weird.

Yes, it is...


Everyone who looks even remotely sexy, and is in a position of power, gets sexualized:

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https://www.pinterest.com/sandraschloem ... -sexy-man/
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Postby Forsher » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:41 am

Valrifell wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
I'm agreeing with RCP's map. Also, RCP's polling aggregate for Ernst and Tillis are within the margin of error. There were also no polls for Ernst after ACB's confirmation, while Tillis gained two points, and is on track to gain more. I'm fine with using RCP's as a data source, but wasn't 538 really sure about Hillary Clinton? Let's stick to RCP, since we're both good with that.


No, if you consider 70% "really sure" that's on you and your poor understanding of basic statistical analysis. The numbers don't agree with you, in that the GOP are so evidently favored to keep the Senate, you can keep believing it if you want though!


While much has, and I am sure will continue, to be said on the subject of Shof's statistical illiteracy, in this case he has, quite accidentally based on the course of your conversation, arrived at a valid point. Any scenario in which the Electoral College is tied will reflect a wider political landscape quite different to one in which Biden wins an outright majority. In other words, it's a conditional argument.

Consider, for example, this article's graphic entitled "Democrats will likely control the federal government". What you're interested in is noticing that certain patterns of outcomes are more likely than others. The key point is that each race is correlated with the others... they're not independent. Mechanically, a voter is more likely to vote for a Democratic senator if they are also voting for the Democratic presidential ticket too. But we're only limited in the case where voters don't turn up for Biden in substantial numbers. So we know that there are fewer voters voting for Biden, which means that voters as a whole are less likely to be backing Democratic senate candidates. And that 77% Chance that 538 gives the Democrats for control of the senate no longer applies.
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Postby Stellar Colonies » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:52 am


True.

Although it seems more prevalent with female politicians (I could be incorrect about that however, I'm not fully aware of how widespread it sexualizing politicians is in general).
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:08 am

Cordel One wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
At least one person's gonna get their kink fulfilled, I feel.

It seems like every woman with power gets really sexualized and it's kinda weird.


No, actually it's Ethel Mermania. He had a habit of doing this, and since my hints don't work I'll be ruder next time.
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:10 am

-Astoria- wrote:Eurgh.

Eh, the House would eventually vote one way or another. With how things are going, it's gonna be Biden, then Biden will kick the bucket and hand over the iron throne to Pence, which will have two options:
  1. Appoint Trump as VP through the Senate process, resign, and then ask Trump to reappoint hims back as VP.
  2. "lmao no this chair's mine now."
In any case, it'll be hilarious. Note that the Democrats will fight to the death in any way to prevent that, especially with contested election being hyperlikely. I mean, there's the impending disaster of potentially unprecedented amounts of uncounted ballots that can easily flip the election. Horrific gerrymandering is also a thing, for example if Biden won Wisconsin with a big margin (as polling suggests) but Republicans retain congressional majority, leading Wisconsin to instead voting for Trump in the contigency election.
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Postby Nobel Hobos 2 » Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:18 am

169/169 is particularly unlikely considering faithless Electors.

But actually, the prospect of faithless Electors makes a No Majority result more likely. Each one that votes for Colin Powell (or whoever) increases the number of viable combinations with No Majority.

Some Electors will get fined if they go faithless, and some can't (their vote will be overturned on legal appeal), but 20 states still have no law against faithless voting.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:08 pm

Forsher wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
No, if you consider 70% "really sure" that's on you and your poor understanding of basic statistical analysis. The numbers don't agree with you, in that the GOP are so evidently favored to keep the Senate, you can keep believing it if you want though!


While much has, and I am sure will continue, to be said on the subject of Shof's statistical illiteracy, in this case he has, quite accidentally based on the course of your conversation, arrived at a valid point. Any scenario in which the Electoral College is tied will reflect a wider political landscape quite different to one in which Biden wins an outright majority. In other words, it's a conditional argument.

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While much has not been made about Forsher's ability to hold a grudge... I mean seriously? When was the last time we got into it, was it even this year? Or even over the past 12 months? You gotta let forum based things go. As for my "statistical illiteracy" - considering that I've correctly predicted 34/35 Senate seats, that Valrifell agrees with me about 32/35 of my current predictions, (that's over 90% Forsher,) and that I've correctly predicted the 2016 election winner, based on statistics, I'd say that argument's bullshit based on reality, but perhaps you'll find some theoretical statistical detail that I've missed over a year ago, and keep throwing it at me until I stop responding. Also, Valrifell's point is wrong because he misread my inquiry as a statement, even though it had a question mark at the end.


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-Astoria- wrote:Eurgh.

Eh, the House would eventually vote one way or another. With how things are going, it's gonna be Biden, then Biden will kick the bucket and hand over the iron throne to Pence, which will have two options:
  1. Appoint Trump as VP through the Senate process, resign, and then ask Trump to reappoint hims back as VP.
  2. "lmao no this chair's mine now."
In any case, it'll be hilarious. Note that the Democrats will fight to the death in any way to prevent that, especially with contested election being hyperlikely. I mean, there's the impending disaster of potentially unprecedented amounts of uncounted ballots that can easily flip the election. Horrific gerrymandering is also a thing, for example if Biden won Wisconsin with a big margin (as polling suggests) but Republicans retain congressional majority, leading Wisconsin to instead voting for Trump in the contigency election.


It'd be hilarious if Pence appoints Ted Cruz as VP :P


Nobel Hobos 2 wrote:169/169 is particularly unlikely considering faithless Electors.

But actually, the prospect of faithless Electors makes a No Majority result more likely. Each one that votes for Colin Powell (or whoever) increases the number of viable combinations with No Majority.

Some Electors will get fined if they go faithless, and some can't (their vote will be overturned on legal appeal), but 20 states still have no law against faithless voting.


200 electors going faithless would be quite a feat :P
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Postby Major-Tom » Fri Oct 30, 2020 1:57 pm

Can someone more knowledgeable than myself explain why the GOP would choose Pence and not the incumbent? I re-read the OP and didn't see much clarification.
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Postby Shofercia » Fri Oct 30, 2020 4:30 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Can someone more knowledgeable than myself explain why the GOP would choose Pence and not the incumbent? I re-read the OP and didn't see much clarification.


The premise is that the Electoral Vote is split 269-269, and that there are either no faithless electors, or that both sides have an equal amount of faithless electors. I know the odds aren't high, but this thread presumes that it happens, so roll with it.

This means that the House elects the President, and the Senate elects the Vice President. However, it's quite possible that the House would be split, and since the House votes by states, 25 states would go Democrat and 25 states would go Republican. (The current balance is 26 Republican - 24 Democrat, so Democrats would just need to capture one state legislature.) This means that that the vote for President would be deadlocked.

The Senate selects the Vice President. This thread presumes that the Republicans hold the Senate, or are able to switch Senator Manchin's vote. As a result, the Republican Senate would elect the Vice President - Mike Pence.

Since the House is deadlocked and cannot elect a President, the Vice President would become the acting president until the 2022 midterms. The GOP cannot choose President Trump for a Vice Presidential role, even if said role would lead to Trump being Acting President.
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Postby Khetyou Mefkat » Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:01 am

Given Biden's health - all hail president Harris.

Count on the senate to bring in Pence again, then impeach Harris. And by 2022: all hail president Pence after all!
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Postby Resilient Acceleration » Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:26 am

Khetyou Mefkat wrote:Given Biden's health - all hail president Harris.

Count on the senate to bring in Pence again, then impeach Harris. And by 2022: all hail president Pence after all!

*President Pelosi, given how things would probably roll.
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Postby Cordel One » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:37 am

Shofercia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Both republicans and democrats have done this at varying time and places. I think the most recent case was last year in the state senate in oregon the republicans pulled that and they couldn't reach quorum.

I'm not sure what the rules are on rounding them up. I know the sergeant at arms for the senate can round them up and force them back if they're inside DC, but I'm not sure what the rules are if they actually make it out of the district.


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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 18, 2020 10:51 am

Khetyou Mefkat wrote:Given Biden's health - all hail president Harris.

Count on the senate to bring in Pence again, then impeach Harris. And by 2022: all hail president Pence after all!

What's wrong with Biden's health? I also don't see how Pence will get to be president after January 20th. Oh, and unless the Republicans take the House in 2022, ain't nobody gonna be impeached, no how.
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Khetyou Mefkat wrote:Given Biden's health - all hail president Harris.

Count on the senate to bring in Pence again, then impeach Harris. And by 2022: all hail president Pence after all!


Biden has one job: To survive until 12:01PM January 20th. As long as he succeeds in that job, I'm happy.

And while I'm not thrilled at the prospect of having a cop as President, I guess all Presidents are cops deep down anyway.
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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:03 am

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Khetyou Mefkat wrote:Given Biden's health - all hail president Harris.

Count on the senate to bring in Pence again, then impeach Harris. And by 2022: all hail president Pence after all!


Biden has one job: To survive until 12:01PM January 20th. As long as he succeeds in that job, I'm happy.

And while I'm not thrilled at the prospect of having a cop as President, I guess all Presidents are cops deep down anyway.

Maybe not cops but members of the military ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... experience
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