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Postby Bombadil » Sun Nov 29, 2020 7:00 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Bombadil wrote:There's a difference between 'an issue for Christians' and a 'Christian issue'. LGBT and gun rights might be an issue for Christians but they've very little to do with Christ and Christianity.

Ultimately they're what's called political wedge points, issues devised to create separation between 'us' and 'them' for political gain. And they do easily blind people to rational thought given they're such easy 'values' to fall back on as the base of one's reasoning.


So the question is - do people vote for Trump because he represents their ideals better, or are they cherrypicking their own ideals to justify voting for Trump ?


Dunno, I mean the polarisation has genuinely caused me to question my own views, how selectively do I digest information.. it's kind of hard to wrap my head around people who profess to be christian to support such a guy.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:46 pm

Bombadil wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
So the question is - do people vote for Trump because he represents their ideals better, or are they cherrypicking their own ideals to justify voting for Trump ?


Dunno, I mean the polarisation has genuinely caused me to question my own views, how selectively do I digest information.. it's kind of hard to wrap my head around people who profess to be christian to support such a guy.


To wit - especially since one of the other candidates was a Jewish (former) carpenter who goes around the country trying to give free healthcare ;)
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Postby Cordel One » Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:50 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Dunno, I mean the polarisation has genuinely caused me to question my own views, how selectively do I digest information.. it's kind of hard to wrap my head around people who profess to be christian to support such a guy.


To wit - especially since one of the other candidates was a Jewish (former) carpenter who goes around the country trying to give free healthcare ;)

I know, right? We coulda had a carpenter, and carpentry is awesome. Also the other stuff.

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Postby Sundiata » Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:10 pm

Cordel One wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
To wit - especially since one of the other candidates was a Jewish (former) carpenter who goes around the country trying to give free healthcare ;)

I know, right? We coulda had a carpenter, and carpentry is awesome. Also the other stuff.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:37 am

Cordel One wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
To wit - especially since one of the other candidates was a Jewish (former) carpenter who goes around the country trying to give free healthcare ;)

I know, right? We coulda had a carpenter, and carpentry is awesome. Also the other stuff.


Which begs the question.. why do some christians NOT support Bernie, despite him objectively being far more Jesuslike than Trump ?
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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:52 am

Neutraligon wrote:
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Why? One doesn't need to be a Christian to serve the interests of the faith.

True, but then one questions exactly how Trump served the interests of the faith where Biden, who actually follows the faith would not.

The real reason is because he has an R in front of his name, and to some, that means, by definition they're a moral Christian, regardless of what that person actually says or does. Plus, I do think that many Christians who support Trump do so because they're phonies who only pay lip service to the religion and only care about power.
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Postby Transjlwanja » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:17 am

Glen Ellyn wrote:Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God


Because of his policies & those of his party many Christians (& others!) see voting for him as the lesser of two evils. I don't think many Christians actually think he's a "man of God" (other than in the general sense that "the powers that be are ordained of God").
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Postby Saint Yosx » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:20 am

Transjlwanja wrote:
Glen Ellyn wrote:Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God


Because of his policies & those of his party many Christians (& others!) see voting for him as the lesser of two evils. I don't think many Christians actually think he's a "man of God" (other than in the general sense that "the powers that be are ordained of God").



Yeah, I think that's what the problem is here, they only agree with Trump on a few things but not all. That's why a multi party system would be more democratic so people don't have top compromise on their views, ethics, and morals...

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Postby The Reformed American Republic » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:52 am

Transjlwanja wrote:
Glen Ellyn wrote:Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God


Because of his policies & those of his party many Christians (& others!) see voting for him as the lesser of two evils. I don't think many Christians actually think he's a "man of God" (other than in the general sense that "the powers that be are ordained of God").

We have people who think he is like a prophet and savior sent by God. Either way, God didn't put Trump in office in 2016, the people who voted for him did.
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Postby Bombadil » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:28 pm

Christians who support Trump..

A group of young men claiming to be Christians have posted a video of themselves tearing down a mysterious monolith that had appeared atop a California mountain and replacing it with a cross.

The monolith had been built near the town of Atascadero and sparked huge interest after the appearance of a similar silvery metal-faced monolith that had been discovered in the deserts of Utah.

That original monolith – which attracted hundreds of curious sightseers and garnered headlines worldwide – was also destroyed by visitors who were captured taking it down and carrying it away by an observer’s mobile phone video.

Now the Atascadero monolith has met a similar kind of fate, according to a report in the San Luis Obispo Tribune newspaper.

In a video, which was livestreamed and posted online, the group of young men drive from southern California to tear down the structure. Under cover of darkness, they hike up to the structure and tear it down while chanting “Christ is king!”. They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

During the video, the men also make offensive comments and drink substantial quantities of energy drinks, while also referencing Donald Trump and the QAnon conspiracy theory and their mission is to demonstrate “how much we love Jesus Christ”.

The vandalism angered local officials.

“We are upset that these young men felt the need to drive five hours to come into our community and vandalize the monolith,” Atascadero’s mayor, Heather Moreno, said in a news release. “The monolith was something unique and fun in an otherwise stressful time.”
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Postby Eukaryotic Cells » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:31 pm

Bombadil wrote:Christians who support Trump..

A group of young men claiming to be Christians have posted a video of themselves tearing down a mysterious monolith that had appeared atop a California mountain and replacing it with a cross.

The monolith had been built near the town of Atascadero and sparked huge interest after the appearance of a similar silvery metal-faced monolith that had been discovered in the deserts of Utah.

That original monolith – which attracted hundreds of curious sightseers and garnered headlines worldwide – was also destroyed by visitors who were captured taking it down and carrying it away by an observer’s mobile phone video.

Now the Atascadero monolith has met a similar kind of fate, according to a report in the San Luis Obispo Tribune newspaper.

In a video, which was livestreamed and posted online, the group of young men drive from southern California to tear down the structure. Under cover of darkness, they hike up to the structure and tear it down while chanting “Christ is king!”. They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

During the video, the men also make offensive comments and drink substantial quantities of energy drinks, while also referencing Donald Trump and the QAnon conspiracy theory and their mission is to demonstrate “how much we love Jesus Christ”.

The vandalism angered local officials.

“We are upset that these young men felt the need to drive five hours to come into our community and vandalize the monolith,” Atascadero’s mayor, Heather Moreno, said in a news release. “The monolith was something unique and fun in an otherwise stressful time.”

These guys sound like they're great fun at parties.

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Postby Old Tanokiana » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:39 pm

Bombadil wrote: something about a monnolith in Cali being replaced with a cross


Can't have shit in California

I mean whoever made that could probably make another one since one recently popped up in Romania
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Postby Vetalia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:55 pm

I don't support Trump because he is a Christian, I support him because he has acted in defense of religious freedom and has been one of the most pro-life politicians in recent American history, backed up with action by appointing pro-life judges.
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Postby Salus Maior » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:12 pm

Bombadil wrote:Christians who support Trump..

A group of young men claiming to be Christians have posted a video of themselves tearing down a mysterious monolith that had appeared atop a California mountain and replacing it with a cross.

The monolith had been built near the town of Atascadero and sparked huge interest after the appearance of a similar silvery metal-faced monolith that had been discovered in the deserts of Utah.

That original monolith – which attracted hundreds of curious sightseers and garnered headlines worldwide – was also destroyed by visitors who were captured taking it down and carrying it away by an observer’s mobile phone video.

Now the Atascadero monolith has met a similar kind of fate, according to a report in the San Luis Obispo Tribune newspaper.

In a video, which was livestreamed and posted online, the group of young men drive from southern California to tear down the structure. Under cover of darkness, they hike up to the structure and tear it down while chanting “Christ is king!”. They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

During the video, the men also make offensive comments and drink substantial quantities of energy drinks, while also referencing Donald Trump and the QAnon conspiracy theory and their mission is to demonstrate “how much we love Jesus Christ”.

The vandalism angered local officials.

“We are upset that these young men felt the need to drive five hours to come into our community and vandalize the monolith,” Atascadero’s mayor, Heather Moreno, said in a news release. “The monolith was something unique and fun in an otherwise stressful time.”


Sounds like a bunch of asshole teenagers.
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Postby Youlia » Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:42 pm

Bombadil wrote:Christians who support Trump..

A group of young men claiming to be Christians have posted a video of themselves tearing down a mysterious monolith that had appeared atop a California mountain and replacing it with a cross.

The monolith had been built near the town of Atascadero and sparked huge interest after the appearance of a similar silvery metal-faced monolith that had been discovered in the deserts of Utah.

That original monolith – which attracted hundreds of curious sightseers and garnered headlines worldwide – was also destroyed by visitors who were captured taking it down and carrying it away by an observer’s mobile phone video.

Now the Atascadero monolith has met a similar kind of fate, according to a report in the San Luis Obispo Tribune newspaper.

In a video, which was livestreamed and posted online, the group of young men drive from southern California to tear down the structure. Under cover of darkness, they hike up to the structure and tear it down while chanting “Christ is king!”. They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

During the video, the men also make offensive comments and drink substantial quantities of energy drinks, while also referencing Donald Trump and the QAnon conspiracy theory and their mission is to demonstrate “how much we love Jesus Christ”.

The vandalism angered local officials.

“We are upset that these young men felt the need to drive five hours to come into our community and vandalize the monolith,” Atascadero’s mayor, Heather Moreno, said in a news release. “The monolith was something unique and fun in an otherwise stressful time.”

When I heard this, it angered me greatly. Why would you destroy something so peaceful in the name of Christ? How are the monoliths anti-Christ? Qanon and Trump are anti-Christ.

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Postby Cordel One » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:14 pm

Bombadil wrote:Christians who support Trump..

A group of young men claiming to be Christians have posted a video of themselves tearing down a mysterious monolith that had appeared atop a California mountain and replacing it with a cross.

The monolith had been built near the town of Atascadero and sparked huge interest after the appearance of a similar silvery metal-faced monolith that had been discovered in the deserts of Utah.

That original monolith – which attracted hundreds of curious sightseers and garnered headlines worldwide – was also destroyed by visitors who were captured taking it down and carrying it away by an observer’s mobile phone video.

Now the Atascadero monolith has met a similar kind of fate, according to a report in the San Luis Obispo Tribune newspaper.

In a video, which was livestreamed and posted online, the group of young men drive from southern California to tear down the structure. Under cover of darkness, they hike up to the structure and tear it down while chanting “Christ is king!”. They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

During the video, the men also make offensive comments and drink substantial quantities of energy drinks, while also referencing Donald Trump and the QAnon conspiracy theory and their mission is to demonstrate “how much we love Jesus Christ”.

The vandalism angered local officials.

“We are upset that these young men felt the need to drive five hours to come into our community and vandalize the monolith,” Atascadero’s mayor, Heather Moreno, said in a news release. “The monolith was something unique and fun in an otherwise stressful time.”

what assholes. Is the monolith still around or did they take it?

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Postby Adamede » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:18 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
Bombadil wrote:There's a difference between 'an issue for Christians' and a 'Christian issue'. LGBT and gun rights might be an issue for Christians but they've very little to do with Christ and Christianity.

Ultimately they're what's called political wedge points, issues devised to create separation between 'us' and 'them' for political gain. And they do easily blind people to rational thought given they're such easy 'values' to fall back on as the base of one's reasoning.


So the question is - do people vote for Trump because he represents their ideals better, or are they cherrypicking their own ideals to justify voting for Trump ?

Little of column A, little of column B.

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Postby Bombadil » Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:23 pm

Cordel One wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Christians who support Trump..

A group of young men claiming to be Christians have posted a video of themselves tearing down a mysterious monolith that had appeared atop a California mountain and replacing it with a cross.

The monolith had been built near the town of Atascadero and sparked huge interest after the appearance of a similar silvery metal-faced monolith that had been discovered in the deserts of Utah.

That original monolith – which attracted hundreds of curious sightseers and garnered headlines worldwide – was also destroyed by visitors who were captured taking it down and carrying it away by an observer’s mobile phone video.

Now the Atascadero monolith has met a similar kind of fate, according to a report in the San Luis Obispo Tribune newspaper.

In a video, which was livestreamed and posted online, the group of young men drive from southern California to tear down the structure. Under cover of darkness, they hike up to the structure and tear it down while chanting “Christ is king!”. They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

During the video, the men also make offensive comments and drink substantial quantities of energy drinks, while also referencing Donald Trump and the QAnon conspiracy theory and their mission is to demonstrate “how much we love Jesus Christ”.

The vandalism angered local officials.

“We are upset that these young men felt the need to drive five hours to come into our community and vandalize the monolith,” Atascadero’s mayor, Heather Moreno, said in a news release. “The monolith was something unique and fun in an otherwise stressful time.”

what assholes. Is the monolith still around or did they take it?


They then erect a homemade wooden cross in its place and drag the remains of the monolith down the mountain to their car.

Seems they took it.

Salus Maior wrote:Sounds like a bunch of asshole teenagers.


A bunch of asshole teenagers I can accept, a bunch of asshole teenagers who profess to follow the teachings of Christ vandalising something for fuck all reason is something else.
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