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Postby Jedi Council » Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:37 pm

Ifreann wrote:Because he promises to help them ban abortion and gay marriage and Muslims. The Christian right in America doesn't use their religion to inform their politics so much as they use politics to enforce their religion.

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Postby Geneviev » Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:38 pm

Joohan wrote:
Geneviev wrote:I'm definitely not an atheist, and still think Obama was my favorite president in my lifetime. Trump's personal life, on the other hand, does seem to indicate disbelief in God. I wouldn't want to compare most atheists to him, either.


I know, I didnt say he couldn't be Christian, just said i dont think he honestly is.

I think he is, at least.
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Postby Joohan » Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:42 pm

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I know, I didnt say he couldn't be Christian, just said i dont think he honestly is.

I think he is, at least.


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Postby Suriyanakhon » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:55 pm

Joohan wrote:
Geneviev wrote:If he doesn't act like it, he's not a Christian. Matthew 7:15-21.

Also, persecution has only become worse under Trump. Obama supported Christians, Biden is an excellent Christian himself, but Trump caused real persecution.


Obama was almost certainly an atheist, as is Trump. I doubt Joe is a Christian, let alone a Catholic, as it is yet still an on going debate among American bishops whether or not he should even be allowed communion for his stances.


This is based on no reasoning besides not liking their political positions though. Even if Biden were excommunicated, that would not make him an atheist, unless being excommunicated means you automatically stop believing in God. Whether or not Trump is an atheist is debatable, it's also possible he believes in the existence of a God to some extent but it just serves his ego.
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Postby New Pharaohnic Egypt » Sat Nov 07, 2020 6:38 pm

I think part of it is that the Christians who are accused of being hypocritical for supporting Trump find their opponents to be just as hypocritical.

Trump supporters are told they are hypocrites for supporting the least religious and morally upstanding president in history, but if they did support a moral Christian candidate, they'd be beaten over the head with separation of church and state.
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Postby Lsantarcht Flu » Sun Nov 08, 2020 4:49 pm

I know I am responding after the results of the election (thank god Biden won!) but this was an interesting question I wanted to answer. Im also catholic, not christian, but essentially its the same thing so whatever I guess. (I do not support trump)

from conversations ive had with my parents (hardcore republican and religious), they were taught by their parents to always vote republicans no matter what, as it was the party that was most "in line" with what god wanted. so i think most christians who like trump and voted for him just do it because they grew up like that and dont want to take the time to educate themselves otherwise.

i personally believe that god loves everyone no matter what and knows no hate (literally goes against everything hes about) so i choose the candidate that was best in line with that and will continue to do that regardless of party.

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Lsantarcht Flu wrote:I know I am responding after the results of the election (thank god Biden won!) but this was an interesting question I wanted to answer. Im also catholic, not christian, but essentially its the same thing so whatever I guess. (I do not support trump)

from conversations ive had with my parents (hardcore republican and religious), they were taught by their parents to always vote republicans no matter what, as it was the party that was most "in line" with what god wanted. so i think most christians who like trump and voted for him just do it because they grew up like that and dont want to take the time to educate themselves otherwise.

i personally believe that god loves everyone no matter what and knows no hate (literally goes against everything hes about) so i choose the candidate that was best in line with that and will continue to do that regardless of party.


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Postby Diarcesia » Sun Nov 08, 2020 5:08 pm

Lsantarcht Flu wrote:I know I am responding after the results of the election (thank god Biden won!) but this was an interesting question I wanted to answer. Im also catholic, not christian, but essentially its the same thing so whatever I guess. (I do not support trump)

from conversations ive had with my parents (hardcore republican and religious), they were taught by their parents to always vote republicans no matter what, as it was the party that was most "in line" with what god wanted. so i think most christians who like trump and voted for him just do it because they grew up like that and dont want to take the time to educate themselves otherwise.

i personally believe that god loves everyone no matter what and knows no hate (literally goes against everything hes about) so i choose the candidate that was best in line with that and will continue to do that regardless of party.

To add to what was discussed in another thread, in play is an almost superstitious worry that swearing in a president that does not align to God's will is a sure way for things to go bad for the US as divine retribution.
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Lsantarcht Flu wrote:I know I am responding after the results of the election (thank god Biden won!) but this was an interesting question I wanted to answer. Im also catholic, not christian, but essentially its the same thing so whatever I guess. (I do not support trump)

from conversations ive had with my parents (hardcore republican and religious), they were taught by their parents to always vote republicans no matter what, as it was the party that was most "in line" with what god wanted. so i think most christians who like trump and voted for him just do it because they grew up like that and dont want to take the time to educate themselves otherwise.

i personally believe that god loves everyone no matter what and knows no hate (literally goes against everything hes about) so i choose the candidate that was best in line with that and will continue to do that regardless of party.

"I'm Catholic, not Christian."

Oh boy.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:27 am

Jedi Council wrote:
Lsantarcht Flu wrote:I know I am responding after the results of the election (thank god Biden won!) but this was an interesting question I wanted to answer. Im also catholic, not christian, but essentially its the same thing so whatever I guess. (I do not support trump)

from conversations ive had with my parents (hardcore republican and religious), they were taught by their parents to always vote republicans no matter what, as it was the party that was most "in line" with what god wanted. so i think most christians who like trump and voted for him just do it because they grew up like that and dont want to take the time to educate themselves otherwise.

i personally believe that god loves everyone no matter what and knows no hate (literally goes against everything hes about) so i choose the candidate that was best in line with that and will continue to do that regardless of party.

"I'm Catholic, not Christian."

Oh boy.


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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:45 am

And how is voting for Biden a manifestation of one's Christian values?
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Postby Salus Maior » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:04 am

Lsantarcht Flu wrote: Im also catholic, not christian.


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Lsantarcht Flu wrote: Im also catholic, not christian.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:30 am

Australian rePublic wrote:And how is voting for Biden a manifestation of one's Christian values?

He's a Christian who represents Christian values. Voting for him is at least voting for Christian values. It doesn't necessarily make you Christian, though.
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Jedi Council wrote:
Lsantarcht Flu wrote:I know I am responding after the results of the election (thank god Biden won!) but this was an interesting question I wanted to answer. Im also catholic, not christian, but essentially its the same thing so whatever I guess. (I do not support trump)

from conversations ive had with my parents (hardcore republican and religious), they were taught by their parents to always vote republicans no matter what, as it was the party that was most "in line" with what god wanted. so i think most christians who like trump and voted for him just do it because they grew up like that and dont want to take the time to educate themselves otherwise.

i personally believe that god loves everyone no matter what and knows no hate (literally goes against everything hes about) so i choose the candidate that was best in line with that and will continue to do that regardless of party.

"I'm Catholic, not Christian."

Oh boy.

I’ve seen that line from Protestants who don’t consider Catholics Christian, but never from Catholics themselves until now
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Postby Western Theram » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:49 am

every single trump supoorting christian just repeats the same bullshit "He'S pRo LiFe"
he's told little girls that he's raped to "get a fucking abortion"
also go look at the video of evangelical fundamentalists literally threatening and blocking a little girl outside a hospital cause she was suppose to get an abortion cause her uncle raped her. neither her nor the fetus would survive the pregnancy. don't like abortion? you don't have to but don't take away someone else's rights because you're an asshole

"AnTi-cHrIsTiAn" you mean not allowing you to discriminate against people?
there are gay people in "conversion camps" that literally go through torture but sure you're the oppressed one cause the law says you have to bake a gay wedding cake. you are NOT ALLOWED to refuse service to someone based on race, gender, sexual orientation or religion.

"GoOd FoR tHe EcOnOmY" the united states economy has been significantly worse under trump's regime. he's cheated on his wives, has a huge history of racial intolerance from refusing to rent a hotel room to black people to PUBLICLY calling for the execution of the central park five which were innocent.

he's probably the most anti-christian, anti-life and anti-freedom president america has had in the 21st century
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Postby Faaruma » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:06 pm

Glen Ellyn wrote:Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God


I could ask the same question to Muslim Biden supporters. Why support a man with such positions on gays and abortion?

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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:09 pm

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Glen Ellyn wrote:Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God


I could ask the same question to Muslim Biden supporters. Why support a man with such positions on gays and abortion?

Perhaps because one is a secular muslim who doesnt want to foist their faith on others.
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Postby Faaruma » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:12 pm

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I could ask the same question to Muslim Biden supporters. Why support a man with such positions on gays and abortion?

Perhaps because one is a secular muslim who doesnt want to foist their faith on others.


Could one be a secular christian who votes Trump then?

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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:15 pm

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Jedi Council wrote:Perhaps because one is a secular muslim who doesnt want to foist their faith on others.


Could one be a secular christian who votes Trump then?

I mean I suppose but it would not make much sense given that many of Trumps policies, as well as those of his GOP enablers, are predicated on religious belief, like restricting abortion and banning same sex marriage.

There is very little in the way of a secular argument for either of these positions, and even if there was, it does not appear to be the primary animus for them..
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Postby Diarcesia » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:19 pm

Faaruma wrote:
Jedi Council wrote:Perhaps because one is a secular muslim who doesnt want to foist their faith on others.


Could one be a secular christian who votes Trump then?

Possible, though I imagine it to be highly unlikely.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:19 pm

Because hypocrisy is the real thing holding them together. Trump is not a Christian, but boy has he used the Christian Right very well because as long as he advances their suppressive agenda...

Frankly, it’s disgusting. Religion has no place in politics. Religion needs to be taken out of the process. For our own good. Learn from fucking history. My word.
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Postby Jedi Council » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:21 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Because hypocrisy is the real thing holding them together. Trump is not a Christian, but boy has he used the Christian Right very well because as long as he advances their suppressive agenda...

Frankly, it’s disgusting. Religion has no place in politics. Religion needs to be taken out of the process. For our own good. Learn from fucking history. My word.

It would actually benefit religion to steer clear of politics as well.

I would be far less critical of them if they would stop trying to make the government enforce their morality upon everyone.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Nov 10, 2020 12:21 pm

Jedi Council wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Because hypocrisy is the real thing holding them together. Trump is not a Christian, but boy has he used the Christian Right very well because as long as he advances their suppressive agenda...

Frankly, it’s disgusting. Religion has no place in politics. Religion needs to be taken out of the process. For our own good. Learn from fucking history. My word.

It would actually benefit religion to steer clear of politics as well.

I would be far less critical of them if they would stop trying to make the government enforce their morality upon everyone.


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