Why do Some Christians support Trump?

[Cocuryeo]

I wonder if Trump himself is Christian, because I don't really think so.

Trump is about as Christian as a stripclub.

Lol, ironically, this makes the Christians look bad. I feel sorry for them.

[Kowani]

Trump is about as Christian as a stripclub.

Lol, ironically, this makes the Christians look bad. I feel sorry for them.

Well, that was not my intention, but yeah, I probably could've worded that better.

[Cocuryeo]

Lol, ironically, this makes the Christians look bad. I feel sorry for them.

Well, that was not my intention, but yeah, I probably could've worded that better.

Just my personal opinion, but I get what you mean.

[Nejii]

I wouldn’t say “some”. I would say a heavy majority even if not the majority.

Let us consider this; Firstly abortion. This is a token of the left and believe it or not your average Christian (true Christian that attends services and invests in the faith) sees aborting the unborn as murder. Secondly, homosexuality and LGBT, there are literally Bible verses that condemn the LGBT based lifestyle (Leviticus 18:22, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Romans 1:26-27). Thirdly, the Left’s tendency to play into identity politics and other divisive tactics when the Bible itself says that “Man was made in God’s image” while not highlighting any one race of man. Granted, institutions such as the Catholic Church did a (pardon my French) piss poor job of upholding this value.

There are other things to be looked at as well. The party hard and “let loose” lifestyle associated with pro-left youth that goes against the Christian doctrine against drunkenness or other forms of intoxication. The whole “slut culture” (male and female) that is rising from the left and has a glare contest with the teachings of the Bible regarding the sanctity of human intimacy and sexuality in marriage.

I could continue but I feel that I’ve laid out enough. A true nose to the Bible Christian (not a “weekend” Christian) isn’t going to go along with Biden and his Democratic Party. I’m not endorsing Trump or making condemnations here I’m just laying out the table spread.

Are the Democrats forcing you to get an abortion, be gay, get drunk, or be a slut? I certainly haven't heard of any of these things being mandatory. It seems to me you're upset that the state isn't imposing Christian values on non-Christians enough.

If you lived in an Islamic theocracy, you wouldn't appreciate being made to pay an extra tax because you're the wrong religion and if you ever end up convincing a Muslim to convert to Christianity, you definitely wouldn't appreciate being executed for it. What happened to do unto others as you would have them do unto you? If you don't want to live under a theocracy then you shouldn't force one on us.

Also, I love how you used the term identity politics derisively when you are a walking manifestation of it, you are preaching Christian identity politics.

Firstly, relax. No one is upset about anything but you it seems.

Secondly, I'm not preaching anything. I'm simply laying out the spread as I said. The question of this thread is "why so many Christians support trump". I was answering the question. I'm not making any endorsements, justifications, or cooking up any case defenses or preaching rhetoric. Your just being a hyper-sensitive snowflake, I'm sorry to say.

[Cocuryeo]

I wonder which denominations support Trump the most.

[Nejii]

I wonder which denominations support Trump the most.

Most support, unsure. But he is losing a heady amount of catholic support.

[Cocuryeo]

I wonder which denominations support Trump the most.

Most support, unsure. But he is losing a heady amount of catholic support.

I know a handful of Protestants don't like him, but I didn't know about the Catholics.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

I wouldn’t say “some”. I would say a heavy majority even if not the majority.

A "heavy majority" is greater than "the majority". So your strong opinion is a bit suspect off the bat.

Let us consider this; Firstly abortion. This is a token of the left and believe it or not your average Christian (true Christian that attends services and invests in the faith) sees aborting the unborn as murder. Secondly, homosexuality and LGBT, there are literally Bible verses that condemn the LGBT based lifestyle (Leviticus 18:22, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Romans 1:26-27). Thirdly, the Left’s tendency to play into identity politics and other divisive tactics when the Bible itself says that “Man was made in God’s image” while not highlighting any one race of man. Granted, institutions such as the Catholic Church did a (pardon my French) piss poor job of upholding this value.

There are other things to be looked at as well. The party hard and “let loose” lifestyle associated with pro-left youth that goes against the Christian doctrine against drunkenness or other forms of intoxication. The whole “slut culture” (male and female) that is rising from the left and has a glare contest with the teachings of the Bible regarding the sanctity of human intimacy and sexuality in marriage.

I could continue but I feel that I’ve laid out enough. A true nose to the Bible Christian (not a “weekend” Christian) isn’t going to go along with Biden and his Democratic Party.

43 / 55 of all Christians. Or if you want to cheat with "no true scotsman" then it's 82% of white Evangelicals.

Also note the comical number of Evangelical Christians who do not approve of Trump but are going to vote for him anyway.

[Nejii]

I wouldn’t say “some”. I would say a heavy majority even if not the majority.

A "heavy majority" is greater than "the majority". So your strong opinion is a bit suspect off the bat.

Tit for tat. A simple grammatical error. (GOT EEM!!)

43 / 55 of all Christians. Or if you want to cheat with "no true scotsman" then it's 82% of white Evangelicals.

Also note the comical number of Evangelical Christians who do not approve of Trump but are going to vote for him anyway.

"No true Scotsman"? What?

Also, in truth I was giving the benefit of the doubt. As there are Christians who are pro-left/Democrats.

[Li Jing]

I know several Christians who are voting Biden, granted they are all millennials or younger.

[Europa Undivided]

Because he is the lesser evil in their eyes?

[Idzequitch]

I wouldn’t say “some”. I would say a heavy majority even if not the majority.

Let us consider this; Firstly abortion. This is a token of the left and believe it or not your average Christian (true Christian that attends services and invests in the faith) sees aborting the unborn as murder. Secondly, homosexuality and LGBT, there are literally Bible verses that condemn the LGBT based lifestyle (Leviticus 18:22, 1 Timothy 1:10, and Romans 1:26-27). Thirdly, the Left’s tendency to play into identity politics and other divisive tactics when the Bible itself says that “Man was made in God’s image” while not highlighting any one race of man. Granted, institutions such as the Catholic Church did a (pardon my French) piss poor job of upholding this value.

There are other things to be looked at as well. The party hard and “let loose” lifestyle associated with pro-left youth that goes against the Christian doctrine against drunkenness or other forms of intoxication. The whole “slut culture” (male and female) that is rising from the left and has a glare contest with the teachings of the Bible regarding the sanctity of human intimacy and sexuality in marriage.

I could continue but I feel that I’ve laid out enough. A true nose to the Bible Christian (not a “weekend” Christian) isn’t going to go along with Biden and his Democratic Party. I’m not endorsing Trump or making condemnations here I’m just laying out the table spread.

Who appointed you gatekeeper? I can assure you that I am a "true" Christian who takes his faith quite seriously. I also voted for Biden. Here's why.

1) I won't lie. Abortion makes me uneasy. Wanna know a fun fact? Despite the right's desperate attempts to convince us that everyone woman and girl is going out and getting an abortion, the abortion rate has been in a state of constant decline since Roe v. Wade. Much of this is a healthcare issue. While Republicans are content to leave everyone to fight for their own healthcare and teach abstinence only sex ed, Democrats are actually the ones who have done things to reduce numbers of unwanted pregnancies, including normalizing condom usage, making birth control and contraceptives readily available, and supporting actual sex ed. It comes as no real surprise then that the most drastic drop in abortions since Roe happened under President Obama. I will also point out that Republican presidents have appointed far more Supreme Court justices than Democrats since Roe, and yet absolutely no headway has been made in overturning it. The Republican manner of approaching this issue simply doesn't work, both because it has legislatively and judicially failed , and because it puts the health of young women at risk.


2) I hardly think it is a productive use of time to try to legislate the Bible into law. Following biblical principles is meaningless sans Jesus; I believe we agree there, yes? So what good does it actually do to try to translate biblical principles into law? It's useless. Americans have a right to choose their religion. And if someone doesn't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, they have a right to live a different lifestyle. Frankly, someone else's gay marriage doesn't affect Christians or their ability to practice theor faith how they see fit.

3) If all were created in God's image, is it not our responsibility to ensure that we deal fairly with all people? If people of a sort are being treated poorly, is it not our mandate to stand with them? I hardly think it's very Christian to stand by as God's children are reviled, cheated, discriminated, and killed because of their skin color.

4) You speak of slut culture. And yet the Republican is the one who is known for divorce, affairs, sex with porn stars, etc. Biden is the sort of family man I would think a Christian would stand behind.

[Nejii]

I know several Christians who are voting Biden, granted they are all millennials or younger.

Most older Christians (Boomers and Gen-X'ers) are pro-right. The majority of Christians who support Biden and the left are today's youth.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

A "heavy majority" is greater than "the majority". So your strong opinion is a bit suspect off the bat.

Tit for tat. A simple grammatical error. (GOT EEM!!)

43 / 55 of all Christians. Or if you want to cheat with "no true scotsman" then it's 82% of white Evangelicals.

Also note the comical number of Evangelical Christians who do not approve of Trump but are going to vote for him anyway.

"No true Scotsman"? What?

If you can't cope with figures of speech, don't use them yourself ("Pardon my French"). Look it up.

Also, in truth I was giving the benefit of the doubt. As there are Christians who are pro-left/Democrats.

That's my point, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt.

A true nose to the Bible Christian (not a “weekend” Christian) isn’t going to go along with Biden and his Democratic Party.

"White Evangelical" is as close as I could find to "true nose to the Bible Christian" and even 17% of them go with the Democrats.

Any better definition is pretty much going to include "Republican voting" making your argument circular.

[Nejii]

Who appointed you gatekeeper?

No one, so calm down. Actually, reference the statistics Nobel Hobos 2 linked to me directly.

1) I won't lie. Abortion makes me uneasy. Wanna know a fun fact? Despite the right's desperate attempts to convince us that everyone woman and girl is going out and getting an abortion, the abortion rate has been in a state of constant decline since Roe v. Wade. Much of this is a healthcare issue. While Republicans are content to leave everyone to fight for their own healthcare and teach abstinence only sex ed, Democrats are actually the ones who have done things to reduce numbers of unwanted pregnancies, including normalizing condom usage, making birth control and contraceptives readily available, and supporting actual sex ed. It comes as no real surprise then that the most drastic drop in abortions since Roe happened under President Obama. I will also point out that Republican presidents have appointed far more Supreme Court justices than Democrats since Roe, and yet absolutely no headway has been made in overturning it. The Republican manner of approaching this issue simply doesn't work, both because it has legislatively and judicially failed , and because it puts the health of young women at risk.


2) I hardly think it is a productive use of time to try to legislate the Bible into law. Following biblical principles is meaningless sans Jesus; I believe we agree there, yes? So what good does it actually do to try to translate biblical principles into law? It's useless. Americans have a right to choose their religion. And if someone doesn't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, they have a right to live a different lifestyle. Frankly, someone else's gay marriage doesn't affect Christians or their ability to practice theor faith how they see fit.

3) If all were created in God's image, is it not our responsibility to ensure that we deal fairly with all people? If people of a sort are being treated poorly, is it not our mandate to stand with them? I hardly think it's very Christian to stand by as God's children are reviled, cheated, discriminated, and killed because of their skin color.

4) You speak of slut culture. And yet the Republican is the one who is known for divorce, affairs, sex with porn stars, etc. Biden is the sort of family man I would think a Christian would stand behind.

Your taking aim directly at me (which is funny) but I am simply relaying a truism regarding relation between mainstream American Christianity and the pro-left Democratic Party.

"Americans have a right to choose their religion. And if someone doesn't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, they have a right to live a different lifestyle. Frankly, someone else's gay marriage doesn't affect Christians or their ability to practice their faith how they see fit." Who are you talking to here? Me, yourself, or Christianity?

"I hardly think it's very Christian to stand by as God's children are reviled, cheated, discriminated, and killed because of their skin color." Absolutely. But not by improperly informed fearmongering and again, divisive identity politics.

"Biden is the sort of family man I would think a Christian would stand behind." Yeah no.

[Nejii]

Tit for tat. A simple grammatical error. (GOT EEM!!)



"No true Scotsman"? What?

If you can't cope with figures of speech, don't use them yourself ("Pardon my French"). Look it up.

Also, in truth I was giving the benefit of the doubt. As there are Christians who are pro-left/Democrats.

That's my point, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt.

A true nose to the Bible Christian (not a “weekend” Christian) isn’t going to go along with Biden and his Democratic Party.

"White Evangelical" is as close as I could find to "true nose to the Bible Christian" and even 17% of them go with the Democrats.

Any better definition is pretty much going to include "Republican voting" making your argument circular.

By "true nose to the Bible Christian" I meant a strict, stoic type that strives to leave each day by the Bible and it's teachings. And yet you take this avenue; "White Evangelical".

[The Alma Mater]

Trump is about as Christian as a stripclub.

Lol, ironically, this makes the Christians look bad. I feel sorry for them.

Not necessarily- people like Jefferson and Lincoln were not practicing christians either, yet voting for them would not have been unchristian.

[Idzequitch]

Who appointed you gatekeeper?

No one, so calm down. Actually, reference the statistics Nobel Hobos 2 linked to me directly.

1) I won't lie. Abortion makes me uneasy. Wanna know a fun fact? Despite the right's desperate attempts to convince us that everyone woman and girl is going out and getting an abortion, the abortion rate has been in a state of constant decline since Roe v. Wade. Much of this is a healthcare issue. While Republicans are content to leave everyone to fight for their own healthcare and teach abstinence only sex ed, Democrats are actually the ones who have done things to reduce numbers of unwanted pregnancies, including normalizing condom usage, making birth control and contraceptives readily available, and supporting actual sex ed. It comes as no real surprise then that the most drastic drop in abortions since Roe happened under President Obama. I will also point out that Republican presidents have appointed far more Supreme Court justices than Democrats since Roe, and yet absolutely no headway has been made in overturning it. The Republican manner of approaching this issue simply doesn't work, both because it has legislatively and judicially failed , and because it puts the health of young women at risk.


2) I hardly think it is a productive use of time to try to legislate the Bible into law. Following biblical principles is meaningless sans Jesus; I believe we agree there, yes? So what good does it actually do to try to translate biblical principles into law? It's useless. Americans have a right to choose their religion. And if someone doesn't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, they have a right to live a different lifestyle. Frankly, someone else's gay marriage doesn't affect Christians or their ability to practice theor faith how they see fit.

3) If all were created in God's image, is it not our responsibility to ensure that we deal fairly with all people? If people of a sort are being treated poorly, is it not our mandate to stand with them? I hardly think it's very Christian to stand by as God's children are reviled, cheated, discriminated, and killed because of their skin color.

4) You speak of slut culture. And yet the Republican is the one who is known for divorce, affairs, sex with porn stars, etc. Biden is the sort of family man I would think a Christian would stand behind.

Your taking aim directly at me (which is funny) but I am simply relaying a truism regarding relation between mainstream American Christianity and the pro-left Democratic Party.

"Americans have a right to choose their religion. And if someone doesn't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, they have a right to live a different lifestyle. Frankly, someone else's gay marriage doesn't affect Christians or their ability to practice their faith how they see fit." Who are you talking to here? Me, yourself, or Christianity?

"I hardly think it's very Christian to stand by as God's children are reviled, cheated, discriminated, and killed because of their skin color." Absolutely. But not by improperly informed fearmongering and again, divisive identity politics.

"Biden is the sort of family man I would think a Christian would stand behind." Yeah no.

I don't understand the point of this post. I don't understand what point you're trying to make with any of your posts. You've cherry picked a few statements I made and not really even responded to them. At least you've said nothing that's worth bothering to respond to. Please help me understand what on earth you're trying to say and/or do here and perhaps then I will know how to engage what you say.

[Nobel Hobos 2]

If you can't cope with figures of speech, don't use them yourself ("Pardon my French"). Look it up.



That's my point, you didn't give the benefit of the doubt.

A true nose to the Bible Christian (not a “weekend” Christian) isn’t going to go along with Biden and his Democratic Party.

"White Evangelical" is as close as I could find to "true nose to the Bible Christian" and even 17% of them go with the Democrats.

Any better definition is pretty much going to include "Republican voting" making your argument circular.

By "true nose to the Bible Christian" I meant a strict, stoic type that strives to leave each day by the Bible and it's teachings. And yet you take this avenue; "White Evangelical".

Yes? I used a definition for which data is available. You'd rather make circular arguments apparently.

One day it will dawn on you that making absolutist statements that are only true exactly the way you meant them means that you are wrong just about every time.

[Nejii]

No one, so calm down. Actually, reference the statistics Nobel Hobos 2 linked to me directly.



Your taking aim directly at me (which is funny) but I am simply relaying a truism regarding relation between mainstream American Christianity and the pro-left Democratic Party.

"Americans have a right to choose their religion. And if someone doesn't subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, they have a right to live a different lifestyle. Frankly, someone else's gay marriage doesn't affect Christians or their ability to practice their faith how they see fit." Who are you talking to here? Me, yourself, or Christianity?

"I hardly think it's very Christian to stand by as God's children are reviled, cheated, discriminated, and killed because of their skin color." Absolutely. But not by improperly informed fearmongering and again, divisive identity politics.

"Biden is the sort of family man I would think a Christian would stand behind." Yeah no.

I don't understand the point of this post. I don't understand what point you're trying to make with any of your posts. You've cherry picked a few statements I made and not really even responded to them. At least you've said nothing that's worth bothering to respond to. Please help me understand what on earth you're trying to say and/or do here and perhaps then I will know how to engage what you say.

Nice dodge.

But to help you;
-I'd hardly call Biden or Trump either family man down home Christian icons.

-There's a difference between spreading and standing up for racial and cultural equality and spreading fear and kindling hate via identity politics. Which is a popular left strategy.

-And finally, my far previous post was just a statement meant to explain why the Christian majority would choose Trump over Biden. I was relaying Christian doctrine and it's contrast with pro-left morals and stances and it seems I pressed a button on you or something...

[Nejii]

By "true nose to the Bible Christian" I meant a strict, stoic type that strives to leave each day by the Bible and it's teachings. And yet you take this avenue; "White Evangelical".

Yes? I used a definition for which data is available. You'd rather make circular arguments apparently.

One day it will dawn on you that making absolutist statements that are only true exactly the way you meant them means that you are wrong just about every time.

Oh! Oh, I see, I see...

[Idzequitch]

I don't understand the point of this post. I don't understand what point you're trying to make with any of your posts. You've cherry picked a few statements I made and not really even responded to them. At least you've said nothing that's worth bothering to respond to. Please help me understand what on earth you're trying to say and/or do here and perhaps then I will know how to engage what you say.

Nice dodge.

But to help you;
-I'd hardly call Biden or Trump either family man down home Christian icons.

-There's a difference between spreading and standing up for racial and cultural equality and spreading fear and kindling hate via identity politics. Which is a popular left strategy.

-And finally, my far previous post was just a statement meant to explain why the Christian majority would choose Trump over Biden. I was relaying Christian doctrine and it's contrast with pro-left morals and stances and it seems I pressed a button on you or something...

It pressed a button because it seemed to be implying that my faith was null due to my voting for Biden. If I understood you incorrectly, then I apologize. There seemed to be some personal stances thrown in your relaying of the "truism" as you call it. Again if I read in error, I apologize. I'm not dodging. I truly started questioning my interpretation of what you said. I still don't feel I quite understand. But that's okay.

Of course neither is a Christian icon. But Biden does seem to be at least something of a family man, so to speak. Certainly moreso than Trump.

I won't throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rioting and violence shouldn't happen. But the fact remains that Democrats tend to work towards achieving that equality while Republicans largely seem content to pretend the inequality doesn't exist.

[Diahon]

Lol, ironically, this makes the Christians look bad. I feel sorry for them.

Not necessarily- people like Jefferson and Lincoln were not practicing christians either, yet voting for them would not have been unchristian.

given the epithets that were flung jefferson's way (or was it paine's?) due to the guy's deism, and lincoln's lack of visible religious bonafides was less prominent than, say, disrupting the so-called natural order of things, i wouldn't go that far in claiming that

[Salus Maior]

Lol, ironically, this makes the Christians look bad. I feel sorry for them.

Not necessarily- people like Jefferson and Lincoln were not practicing christians either, yet voting for them would not have been unchristian.

It's not entirely certain what Lincoln's spiritual life was like. At least, not from the sources I've read including primary sources from the man himself.

Although it is pretty clear he did hold some degree of Christian belief, he wasn't a Deist like Jefferson.

[New Haasia]

Nice dodge.

But to help you;
-I'd hardly call Biden or Trump either family man down home Christian icons.

-There's a difference between spreading and standing up for racial and cultural equality and spreading fear and kindling hate via identity politics. Which is a popular left strategy.

-And finally, my far previous post was just a statement meant to explain why the Christian majority would choose Trump over Biden. I was relaying Christian doctrine and it's contrast with pro-left morals and stances and it seems I pressed a button on you or something...

It pressed a button because it seemed to be implying that my faith was null due to my voting for Biden. If I understood you incorrectly, then I apologize. There seemed to be some personal stances thrown in your relaying of the "truism" as you call it. Again if I read in error, I apologize. I'm not dodging. I truly started questioning my interpretation of what you said. I still don't feel I quite understand. But that's okay.

Of course neither is a Christian icon. But Biden does seem to be at least something of a family man, so to speak. Certainly moreso than Trump.

I won't throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rioting and violence shouldn't happen. But the fact remains that Democrats tend to work towards achieving that equality while Republicans largely seem content to pretend the inequality doesn't exist.

Trump is way less of a moral person than Biden, which is why I am so surprised by the evangelical’s massive support for him. Him being pro Life is the only Christian thing about him. Some amount of deception (on Trump’s part) is the only logical explanation for why so many Christians love him, despite his appalling evils.