Why do Some Christians support Trump?

[Sanghyeok]

Hes not pro life at all tho lmfao. The guy was pro choice up till he was voted for and while you love his empty promise to end abortion, living children are separated still from their parents by his cruel migrant policy.

And he is also responsible for thousands of deaths. I don't know what is pro-life about that.

Most "pro-life" Christians are just "pro-fetus", I think.

[Baloo Kingdom]

As I wrote above, I'm both. The New Testament is very individualistic. Do you have a scripture that says to use force to make others be "Good"?

Matthew 21:12-13, NIV: "Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves. 'It is written', he said to them, 'my house will be called a house of prayers, but you are making it a den of robbers'".

Pretty clearly Jesus himself using force to correct a wrong, there.

You made me pull out my bible to find that one, by the way; thank you. I've been meaning to get around to reading it again.

You know, the best part of those verses is the part when Jesus literally sits there for a half-hour and makes a whip to drive out the immoral offering merchants.

[Untecna]

Have you heard of the Ku Klux Klan?

He probably thinks no racists are around in the world today, which is funny because his own views could be considered racist.

Who's? Glorious Hong Kong or Trump?

[Kiu Ghesik]

Matthew 21:12-13, NIV: "Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves. 'It is written', he said to them, 'my house will be called a house of prayers, but you are making it a den of robbers'".

Pretty clearly Jesus himself using force to correct a wrong, there.

You made me pull out my bible to find that one, by the way; thank you. I've been meaning to get around to reading it again.

You know, the best part of those verses is the part when Jesus literally sits there for a half-hour and makes a whip to drive out the immoral offering merchants.

Yeah, I love that bit. Most of the Gospel is actually a great read, if I'm being honest.

[Merrill]

The lockdown orders come from Governors, not the President. I disagree with them also. I'm not sure what immorality you are referring to - Kavanaugh perhaps? There is no evidence of the terrible things he was accused of. Also, do you not believe in repentance/forgiveness? Look at Kavanaugh's life post marriage - he is a good man. I don't believe that Trump hates God, I just don't think he knows Him. That's okay, we are not voting for a Redeemer, we are choosing a Chief Executive of a national government. Is there any US President that you approve of? The only one since 1960 that would maybe meet your requirements of devotion was Carter. His policies were terrible! Being Good is better than being Nice. Trump's policies allow me to be more Good that Biden's.

The lockdowns could have been over already. They could have been. But look where we are now, seven months later. The worst pandemic in the world. Why? The president doesn't care, he doesn't understand the suffering of the American people. He gets the best medical treatment in the nation and recovers, and then assumes that it's not killing the American people that he should be serving.

Yes, there is evidence. And what is repentance? It comes from confession. Did he confess to his crimes or make excuses? God does not take excuses, we shouldn't either. And that is all Kavanaugh gave us.

We need a better president. We deserve a better president. A president who doesn't read the Bible, who assaults his own people to trespass on a church where he isn't welcome, is not that better president.

Obama was a Christian. He was a real, genuine Christian. So is Biden. They meet my standards, and are excellent leaders and people as well as excellent Christians. Those are the presidents this country deserves.

How on earth do Trump's policies allow anyone to be good? Be fired for your morals, have your faith insulted and degraded, and watch people die for good measure. That's not good, not at all. We deserve better. God gave us better.

Wow, Obama and Biden as genuine Christians... why, because that sat in a church building sometimes? Because they claim to be? Because they say nice words?
There are so many examples of their "unChristian" policies, but I'll limit myself to one: Forcing the Little Sisters of the Poor to pay for "birth control" which was really an abortion (causing the body to reject a fertilized egg)!

[Untecna]

You know, the best part of those verses is the part when Jesus literally sits there for a half-hour and makes a whip to drive out the immoral offering merchants.

Yeah, I love that bit. Most of the Gospel is actually a great read, if I'm being honest.

I did always wonder where all that fish and bread came from...

[Baloo Kingdom]

You know, the best part of those verses is the part when Jesus literally sits there for a half-hour and makes a whip to drive out the immoral offering merchants.

Yeah, I love that bit. Most of the Gospel is actually a great read, if I'm being honest.

Matthew: The first account
Mark: Essentially the action bible
Luke: Prophecy fulfilled and facts/details
John: The book for the gentiles

[Old Tyrannia]

For many, if not most, American Christians, Christianity is a tribal identifier and not a sincerely held belief system. The cult-like allegiance to Donald Trump stems from the fact that he has brought success to their "team" in America's ongoing culture wars, and from the fact that he is viscerally hated by the people American Christians consider their enemies. It would be almost impossible to justify supporting Trump for any Christian who was both knowledgeable about their religion, scripture and the traditions of the church, and who took their religious beliefs seriously. I can believe that there are sincere and well-catechised Christians in the US who believe Trump is a lesser evil than Joe Biden, although I personally disagree; what I can't believe is that any Christian who is both reasonably educated and sincere about their faith could view Trump as a genuinely good leader.

[WayNeacTia]

It's only 10%?

Democrats say Republicans are fascists. Republicans call Democrats communists. Do you see a pattern here?

I wonder how many young men who were storming the beaches at Omaha asked the person next to them if they were a Democrat or a Republican.

Food for thought in these uncertain times.

[Telconi]

For many, if not most, American Christians, Christianity is a tribal identifier and not a sincerely held belief system. The cult-like allegiance to Donald Trump stems from the fact that he has brought success to their "team" in America's ongoing culture wars, and from the fact that he is viscerally hated by the people American Christians consider their enemies. It would be almost impossible to justify supporting Trump for any Christian who was both knowledgeable about their religion, scripture and the traditions of the church, and who took their religious beliefs seriously. I can believe that there are sincere and well-catechised Christians in the US who believe Trump is a lesser evil than Joe Biden, although I personally disagree; what I can't believe is that any Christian who is both reasonably educated and sincere about their faith could view Trump as a genuinely good leader.

While I agree with you on a fair amount of this, It's worth noting that "genuinely a good leader" seems to rarely be the criteria by which our votes are decided. I've personally never encountered another person who believes Trump falls into such a category.

[Merrill]

As I wrote above, I'm both. The New Testament is very individualistic. Do you have a scripture that says to use force to make others be "Good"?

Matthew 21:12-13, NIV: "Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves. 'It is written', he said to them, 'my house will be called a house of prayers, but you are making it a den of robbers'".

Pretty clearly Jesus himself using force to correct a wrong, there.

You made me pull out my bible to find that one, by the way; thank you. I've been meaning to get around to reading it again.

Glad I could help
Yes, Jesus drove out those that had desecrated the Temple. This was an example of an individual enforcing property rights. The Temple is the House of the Lord. Jesus was declaring Himself as the Son of God, the owner of the property. He did not call for the Romans to use soldiers to clear out the tresspassers, although He would have been His right to do so.

[Merrill]

For many, if not most, American Christians, Christianity is a tribal identifier and not a sincerely held belief system. The cult-like allegiance to Donald Trump stems from the fact that he has brought success to their "team" in America's ongoing culture wars, and from the fact that he is viscerally hated by the people American Christians consider their enemies. It would be almost impossible to justify supporting Trump for any Christian who was both knowledgeable about their religion, scripture and the traditions of the church, and who took their religious beliefs seriously. I can believe that there are sincere and well-catechised Christians in the US who believe Trump is a lesser evil than Joe Biden, although I personally disagree; what I can't believe is that any Christian who is both reasonably educated and sincere about their faith could view Trump as a genuinely good leader.

What is the Role of the President of these United States of America? To protect and defend the Constitution. Trump does that better than Biden. The election is not for a new Messiah.

[Telconi]

Democrats say Republicans are fascists. Republicans call Democrats communists. Do you see a pattern here?

I wonder how many young men who were storming the beaches at Omaha asked the person next to them if they were a Democrat or a Republican.

Food for thought in these uncertain times.

The people defending Cemetery Ridge didn't have to ask the person next to them.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

And he is also responsible for thousands of deaths. I don't know what is pro-life about that.

Most "pro-life" Christians are just "pro-fetus", I think.

They wanna give you a ten second head start before they take you down like the predator lmfao.

[Borderlands of Rojava]

He probably thinks no racists are around in the world today, which is funny because his own views could be considered racist.

Who's? Glorious Hong Kong or Trump?

Both. GHK has serious arabophobic views to a point that he is vehemently anti immigration. He thinks all Arab countries are basically sharia states that treat women and minorities like dog shit, which I find funny since I've actually been to the middle east and I live in an area full of middle easterners, and his views don't really match up with reality.

[Bear Stearns]

For many, if not most, American Christians, Christianity is a tribal identifier and not a sincerely held belief system. The cult-like allegiance to Donald Trump stems from the fact that he has brought success to their "team" in America's ongoing culture wars, and from the fact that he is viscerally hated by the people American Christians consider their enemies. It would be almost impossible to justify supporting Trump for any Christian who was both knowledgeable about their religion, scripture and the traditions of the church, and who took their religious beliefs seriously. I can believe that there are sincere and well-catechised Christians in the US who believe Trump is a lesser evil than Joe Biden, although I personally disagree; what I can't believe is that any Christian who is both reasonably educated and sincere about their faith could view Trump as a genuinely good leader.

What is the Role of the President of these United States of America? To protect and defend the Constitution. Trump does that better than Biden. The election is not for a new Messiah.

tbh that's basically how everyone sees it. the woke stuff sometimes reaches religious levels of intensity. it's creepy

[Kiu Ghesik]

Matthew 21:12-13, NIV: "Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves. 'It is written', he said to them, 'my house will be called a house of prayers, but you are making it a den of robbers'".

Pretty clearly Jesus himself using force to correct a wrong, there.

You made me pull out my bible to find that one, by the way; thank you. I've been meaning to get around to reading it again.

Glad I could help
Yes, Jesus drove out those that had desecrated the Temple. This was an example of an individual enforcing property rights. The Temple is the House of the Lord. Jesus was declaring Himself as the Son of God, the owner of the property. He did not call for the Romans to use soldiers to clear out the tresspassers, although He would have been His right to do so.

I'm not sure that the Temple scene is an adequate justification of castle doctrine, especially given that the context of the scene most definitely isn't when he declared himself the son of God, an event which occurred both before and after but not during the scene, and since that modern interpretation of the concept of property rights didn't exist in Jesus' day. I'd like to ask you to explain this one, as well:

Matthew 22:21, "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's". Does this not advocate for a submission to authority, as long as that authority does not permit one from carrying out their obligations as a Christian? And does that not mean that an authority attempting to metaphorically clear the temple- which for the sake of argument we will assume doesn't refer to property rights in the good ol' "get off my property" sense- would be just to do so? For example, a Christian-Socialist government going about a wealth-redistribution project?

[Borderlands of Rojava]

For many, if not most, American Christians, Christianity is a tribal identifier and not a sincerely held belief system. The cult-like allegiance to Donald Trump stems from the fact that he has brought success to their "team" in America's ongoing culture wars, and from the fact that he is viscerally hated by the people American Christians consider their enemies. It would be almost impossible to justify supporting Trump for any Christian who was both knowledgeable about their religion, scripture and the traditions of the church, and who took their religious beliefs seriously. I can believe that there are sincere and well-catechised Christians in the US who believe Trump is a lesser evil than Joe Biden, although I personally disagree; what I can't believe is that any Christian who is both reasonably educated and sincere about their faith could view Trump as a genuinely good leader.

What is the Role of the President of these United States of America? To protect and defend the Constitution. Trump does that better than Biden. The election is not for a new Messiah.

Trump protects the constitution? Tell that to the peaceful protesters brutalized in Lafayette Square or the Marine Vet beaten down in Portland.

[Nova Palatinia]

I voted for him in 2016, partially because I found the other choice so abhorrent that I felt I didn't have another option, partially for the meme potential, and 90% out of pure rage at a country that I feel I no longer have any meaningful voice in.

The simple fact is that the two party system is an absolute disaster for traditionally minded Christians, particularly Catholics like myself. We lean Democrat on issues pertaining to access to education and healthcare, centrist on economic issues (traditionally opposing both socialism and unrestrained capitalism), but we tend toward the Republicans on abortion, guns, and other social issues.

In recent years, we find ourselves out of step with both parties on marriage (Republican "opposition" to gay marriage has all both vanished except among the most stalwart of the increasingly geriatric old guard, religious protections (Bush's "War on Terror" has nearly exterminated Eastern Catholicism and Orthodoxy in places like Iraq, and Trump is a rabid supporter of Israel, despite their well documented "soft" persecution of the largely Assyrian and Arab Christian minority), and decency in media.

There is no viable third party which advocates for our interests (there are a few small "Falangist" parties, but there's an obvious optics issue that prevents them from gaining any support), so we tend to vote Republican primarily due to the Dems support for abortion, which to the vast majority of Christians, particularly Catholics, is such a grave moral issue that voting blue is very nearly akin to apostasy.

Long story short, because we have a de facto two-party system, we focus in on the issue that absolutely disqualifies a candidate from getting our vote, and pick the evil that at least isn't openly hostile to us. It's a survival strategy, pure and simple.

I'm not voting at all this election. The fallout from 2016, the hideous choice before me, and the philosophical and structural issues with American "democracy" have pretty solidly turned me against the very concept. The utter contempt with which we are treated by both sides has driven me pretty solidly into a sort of non-racialist third-positionism. I would genuinely prefer a Nero or Diocletian to a Trump or a Biden, because at least the former took us and our worldview seriously enough to want us dead.

[Old Tyrannia]

For many, if not most, American Christians, Christianity is a tribal identifier and not a sincerely held belief system. The cult-like allegiance to Donald Trump stems from the fact that he has brought success to their "team" in America's ongoing culture wars, and from the fact that he is viscerally hated by the people American Christians consider their enemies. It would be almost impossible to justify supporting Trump for any Christian who was both knowledgeable about their religion, scripture and the traditions of the church, and who took their religious beliefs seriously. I can believe that there are sincere and well-catechised Christians in the US who believe Trump is a lesser evil than Joe Biden, although I personally disagree; what I can't believe is that any Christian who is both reasonably educated and sincere about their faith could view Trump as a genuinely good leader.

What is the Role of the President of these United States of America? To protect and defend the Constitution. Trump does that better than Biden. The election is not for a new Messiah.

I think that the role of the American president is rather more expansive than simply "protecting the constitution," and I'm not sure that Trump has demonstrated a greater commitment to the constitution than Biden or anyone else. I also think that defending the scribblings of traitors should not be considered a laudable accomplishment, but Americans from across party lines are likely disagree with me on that one.

[Turelisa-]

Is President Trump a perfectly Holy Man? No, but so far there has only been One on this world. I voted for the Constitution Party in 2016 because I did not trust what Trump said. He came across as a bully with his NY bluster. However, his actions since taking office have won my vote for 2020. Do not make a man an offender for his words. By their fruits ye shall know them. I have more agency under Trump's policies than I would under Biden's. In the intersection of Christianity and politics, Free Will matters most.

His fruits include three marriages, and not being faithful in those marriages either. And that's only the beginning. He doesn't know the Bible. He lies. He's not pro-life, he wants people to die. He disrespects the troops. He disrespects America. He's more than not perfect, he hates God and America.

Exactly the same reasons why I am not an admirer and why, if I were American, I'd vote for a fringe presidential candidate.

[Idzequitch]

It comes down to this. For many American Christians, Republicanism and more recently Trumpism has essentially replaced Christianity as their primary religion. Not in a literal sense obviously. But their belief in Republican politics trumps (pun intended) any belief in the God of Christianity.

[G-Tech Corporation]

Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God

Frankly, because he is a useful dancing monkey and vehicle for folks I actually respect like Pence to get shit done. The Donald isn't a Christian, and that isn't why anyone I know supports him. But neither is Biden a man of faith given the policies he supports, so, meh. Can't really win this election cycle.

[Kiu Ghesik]

It comes down to this. For many American Christians, Republicanism and more recently Trumpism has essentially replaced Christianity as their primary religion. Not in a literal sense obviously. But their belief in Republican politics trumps (pun intended) any belief in the God of Christianity.

It did that a long time ago.

[Bear Stearns]

It comes down to this. For many American Christians, Republicanism and more recently Trumpism has essentially replaced Christianity as their primary religion. Not in a literal sense obviously. But their belief in Republican politics trumps (pun intended) any belief in the God of Christianity.

lol you have this entirely mixed up