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Postby Merrill » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:43 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Merrill wrote:Is President Trump a perfectly Holy Man? No, but so far there has only been One on this world. I voted for the Constitution Party in 2016 because I did not trust what Trump said. He came across as a bully with his NY bluster. However, his actions since taking office have won my vote for 2020. Do not make a man an offender for his words. By their fruits ye shall know them. I have more agency under Trump's policies than I would under Biden's. In the intersection of Christianity and politics, Free Will matters most.

His fruits include three marriages, and not being faithful in those marriages either. And that's only the beginning. He doesn't know the Bible. He lies. He's not pro-life, he wants people to die. He disrespects the troops. He disrespects America. He's more than not perfect, he hates God and America.


Disagree on some of that, but even so, those are (if true) his personal viewpoints. The fruits of his actions as President are that I am more free.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:44 pm

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Geneviev wrote:His fruits include three marriages, and not being faithful in those marriages either. And that's only the beginning. He doesn't know the Bible. He lies. He's not pro-life, he wants people to die. He disrespects the troops. He disrespects America. He's more than not perfect, he hates God and America.


Disagree on some of that, but even so, those are (if true) his personal viewpoints. The fruits of his actions as President are that I am more free.
"This is the issue of this election: whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

The fruits of his actions as president are that I am confined to my home, unable to work or go to school. He has nominated SCOTUS justices that are as immoral as he is. And, as I said, he hates God. That should be a disqualifying factor in itself.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:51 pm

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Geneviev wrote:His fruits include three marriages, and not being faithful in those marriages either. And that's only the beginning. He doesn't know the Bible. He lies. He's not pro-life, he wants people to die. He disrespects the troops. He disrespects America. He's more than not perfect, he hates God and America.


Disagree on some of that, but even so, those are (if true) his personal viewpoints. The fruits of his actions as President are that I am more free.
"This is the issue of this election: whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

I do believe you're confusing the definitions of Christian and libertarian, my good chap.
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Postby Glorious Hong Kong » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:54 pm

Disgraces wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Same reason I support him. He is a means to an end.

Killing all non whites to end racism would also be a means to an end but you wouldn't do it, would you?


Nobody wants to "kill all non-whites".
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Postby Baloo Kingdom » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:55 pm

Turelisa- wrote:
Baloo Kingdom wrote:Just to put it out there:
I'm a Christian, and I despise Trump.
There.


If you despise a person, you are not being a Christian!

That’s not what being a Christian is about, and believe me, I am a fan of the Law.
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Postby Untecna » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:56 pm

Glen Ellyn wrote:Ok, since the election is now a week away, I have a burning question for Pro Trump Christians: Why do you support him? What is Christian about him? I don’t mean to be rude, it’s just that this dilemma has frustrated me for four years, and I need some answers. I would like to hear why Pro Trump Christians support him / believe he is a man of God

You know, supporting someone politically is not the same as supporting someone religiously.
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Postby Merrill » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:58 pm

Geneviev wrote:
Merrill wrote:
Disagree on some of that, but even so, those are (if true) his personal viewpoints. The fruits of his actions as President are that I am more free.
"This is the issue of this election: whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

The fruits of his actions as president are that I am confined to my home, unable to work or go to school. He has nominated SCOTUS justices that are as immoral as he is. And, as I said, he hates God. That should be a disqualifying factor in itself.



The lockdown orders come from Governors, not the President. I disagree with them also. I'm not sure what immorality you are referring to - Kavanaugh perhaps? There is no evidence of the terrible things he was accused of. Also, do you not believe in repentance/forgiveness? Look at Kavanaugh's life post marriage - he is a good man. I don't believe that Trump hates God, I just don't think he knows Him. That's okay, we are not voting for a Redeemer, we are choosing a Chief Executive of a national government. Is there any US President that you approve of? The only one since 1960 that would maybe meet your requirements of devotion was Carter. His policies were terrible! Being Good is better than being Nice. Trump's policies allow me to be more Good that Biden's.

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Postby Untecna » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:59 pm

Nuroblav wrote:Sometimes baffles me too, since I can't imagine Jesus, for instance, being the kind of guy to support him at all.

Perhaps the social conservatism has something to do with it - quite a few fall around that area of wanting to keep things traditional, particularly with gay marriage, abortion etc.

I support gay marriage, abortion rights, bringing back jobs, lower taxes, smaller government, working towards lowering pollution, I'm half-and-half, depending on the situation or policy in mind. It has nothing to do with religion.
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:59 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Killing all non whites to end racism would also be a means to an end but you wouldn't do it, would you?


Nobody wants to "kill all non-whites".

Ah, yes, the KKK. Nobodies.
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Postby Merrill » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:00 pm

Kiu Ghesik wrote:
Merrill wrote:
Disagree on some of that, but even so, those are (if true) his personal viewpoints. The fruits of his actions as President are that I am more free.
"This is the issue of this election: whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capitol can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

I do believe you're confusing the definitions of Christian and libertarian, my good chap.


As I wrote above, I'm both. The New Testament is very individualistic. Do you have a scripture that says to use force to make others be "Good"?
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Postby Albrenia » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:01 pm

Merrill wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The fruits of his actions as president are that I am confined to my home, unable to work or go to school. He has nominated SCOTUS justices that are as immoral as he is. And, as I said, he hates God. That should be a disqualifying factor in itself.



The lockdown orders come from Governors, not the President. I disagree with them also. I'm not sure what immorality you are referring to - Kavanaugh perhaps? There is no evidence of the terrible things he was accused of. Also, do you not believe in repentance/forgiveness? Look at Kavanaugh's life post marriage - he is a good man. I don't believe that Trump hates God, I just don't think he knows Him. That's okay, we are not voting for a Redeemer, we are choosing a Chief Executive of a national government. Is there any US President that you approve of? The only one since 1960 that would maybe meet your requirements of devotion was Carter. His policies were terrible! Being Good is better than being Nice. Trump's policies allow me to be more Good that Biden's.


Well at least you know Trump's not a saint in disguise, unlike some on the internet. I'll give you credit for that.

Dunno how Trump's been Good or Nice, but that's a difference of opinion I guess.

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Postby Geneviev » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:04 pm

Merrill wrote:
Geneviev wrote:The fruits of his actions as president are that I am confined to my home, unable to work or go to school. He has nominated SCOTUS justices that are as immoral as he is. And, as I said, he hates God. That should be a disqualifying factor in itself.



The lockdown orders come from Governors, not the President. I disagree with them also. I'm not sure what immorality you are referring to - Kavanaugh perhaps? There is no evidence of the terrible things he was accused of. Also, do you not believe in repentance/forgiveness? Look at Kavanaugh's life post marriage - he is a good man. I don't believe that Trump hates God, I just don't think he knows Him. That's okay, we are not voting for a Redeemer, we are choosing a Chief Executive of a national government. Is there any US President that you approve of? The only one since 1960 that would maybe meet your requirements of devotion was Carter. His policies were terrible! Being Good is better than being Nice. Trump's policies allow me to be more Good that Biden's.

The lockdowns could have been over already. They could have been. But look where we are now, seven months later. The worst pandemic in the world. Why? The president doesn't care, he doesn't understand the suffering of the American people. He gets the best medical treatment in the nation and recovers, and then assumes that it's not killing the American people that he should be serving.

Yes, there is evidence. And what is repentance? It comes from confession. Did he confess to his crimes or make excuses? God does not take excuses, we shouldn't either. And that is all Kavanaugh gave us.

We need a better president. We deserve a better president. A president who doesn't read the Bible, who assaults his own people to trespass on a church where he isn't welcome, is not that better president.

Obama was a Christian. He was a real, genuine Christian. So is Biden. They meet my standards, and are excellent leaders and people as well as excellent Christians. Those are the presidents this country deserves.

How on earth do Trump's policies allow anyone to be good? Be fired for your morals, have your faith insulted and degraded, and watch people die for good measure. That's not good, not at all. We deserve better. God gave us better.
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Postby Borderlands of Rojava » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:05 pm

Merrill wrote:Is President Trump a perfectly Holy Man? No, but so far there has only been One on this world. I voted for the Constitution Party in 2016 because I did not trust what Trump said. He came across as a bully with his NY bluster. However, his actions since taking office have won my vote for 2020. Do not make a man an offender for his words. By their fruits ye shall know them. I have more agency under Trump's policies than I would under Biden's. In the intersection of Christianity and politics, Free Will matters most.


Meanwhile Christian Armenians are being slaughtered by a guy Trump has been "friends with since day one," and your king Cyrus remains silent.
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Postby Rost Dreadnorramus » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:05 pm

Why do Some Christians support Trump? He"s pro life, and is a supporter of the Constitution which garentees the freedom of religion, among other reasons.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:06 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:Same reason I support him. He is a means to an end.


A means to what end? Fulfilling your desire for culture war?
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Postby Kiu Ghesik » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:06 pm

Merrill wrote:
Kiu Ghesik wrote:I do believe you're confusing the definitions of Christian and libertarian, my good chap.


As I wrote above, I'm both. The New Testament is very individualistic. Do you have a scripture that says to use force to make others be "Good"?

Matthew 21:12-13, NIV: "Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money-changers and the benches of those selling doves. 'It is written', he said to them, 'my house will be called a house of prayers, but you are making it a den of robbers'".

Pretty clearly Jesus himself using force to correct a wrong, there.

You made me pull out my bible to find that one, by the way; thank you. I've been meaning to get around to reading it again.
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Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Killing all non whites to end racism would also be a means to an end but you wouldn't do it, would you?


Nobody wants to "kill all non-whites".


Nobody my guy? You must have forgotten the 10% of americans who support fascism.
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Postby Untecna » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:07 pm

Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Disgraces wrote:Killing all non whites to end racism would also be a means to an end but you wouldn't do it, would you?


Nobody wants to "kill all non-whites".

Have you heard of the Ku Klux Klan?
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Rost Dreadnorramus wrote:Why do Some Christians support Trump? He"s pro life, and is a supporter of the Constitution which garentees the freedom of religion, among other reasons.


Hes not pro life at all tho lmfao. The guy was pro choice up till he was voted for and while you love his empty promise to end abortion, living children are separated still from their parents by his cruel migrant policy.
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Postby Sanghyeok » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:08 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Nobody wants to "kill all non-whites".


Nobody my guy? You must have forgotten the 10% of americans who support fascism.


It's only 10%?
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Untecna wrote:
Glorious Hong Kong wrote:
Nobody wants to "kill all non-whites".

Have you heard of the Ku Klux Klan?


He probably thinks no racists are around in the world today, which is funny because his own views could be considered racist.
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Postby Geneviev » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:08 pm

Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Rost Dreadnorramus wrote:Why do Some Christians support Trump? He"s pro life, and is a supporter of the Constitution which garentees the freedom of religion, among other reasons.


Hes not pro life at all tho lmfao. The guy was pro choice up till he was voted for and while you love his empty promise to end abortion, living children are separated still from their parents by his cruel migrant policy.

And he is also responsible for thousands of deaths. I don't know what is pro-life about that.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:08 pm

Ifreann wrote:Because he promises to help them ban abortion and gay marriage and Muslims. The Christian right in America doesn't use their religion to inform their politics so much as they use politics to enforce their religion.

Pretty much sums it up right here.
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Sanghyeok wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nobody my guy? You must have forgotten the 10% of americans who support fascism.


It's only 10%?


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/28-appr ... d=49334079

10% openly. Many more closet bigots exist.
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Postby Untecna » Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:09 pm

Sanghyeok wrote:
Borderlands of Rojava wrote:
Nobody my guy? You must have forgotten the 10% of americans who support fascism.


It's only 10%?

Democrats say Republicans are fascists. Republicans call Democrats communists. Do you see a pattern here?
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