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The United Kingdom's UKIP, Japan's LDP, the US Republican Party, France's National Front, and many other conservative, right-wing parties may have some differences, but it seems they are all united in requiring an enemy or group to hate. UKIP bashes immigrants and warns of refugees, as does France's National Front. Both of those parties are also heavily against what those who bring values "incompatible" with their traditional culture. The LDP, meanwhile, is fearmongering against Koreans and Chinese, while enforcing a patriarchal society. Similarly, the US Republican Party has been more than happy to embrace a platform that designates everyone not as far right as them as a threat to the country. They are also responsible for spreading rumours of an upcoming "culture war" with those that "attack their values", which may consist of LGBT, ethnic minorities, or "the radical left" on any given day. This has been resulted in all those parties receiving a lot of criticism for what some see as discrimination, hatred, and open propagation of violence against others. Of course, the supporters of those parties may believe that this is not hateful, or even the opposite of hate since it preserves their society.


So, the question I want to ask everyone is: do you believe that conservative parties are hateful? And if you think they are hateful, why do you think they do this? Personally, I think conservative parties have become even more hateful in the past few years, but this is due to them exploiting people's fears even more than before. But that is just my opinion, so please let me know yours below.

I will do an effortpost on this later, but yes.
Modern conservatism is an ideology of hate moreso then any other unifying force.

Politics is the designation of in groups and outgroups and the justifications for violence against the outgroup.

Who is us, who is them, and why is it okay for us to hurt them.

Everything else is window dressing. This is not merely a feature of the right wing, but of all politics. Often the violence being justified becomes so normalized the debate then centers around the extent of it rather than the enactment of it.

No

I wouldn't say conservative, but more far-right.
That might just be my silly personal bias, though

Ostroeuropa wrote:Politics is the designation of in groups and outgroups and the justifications for violence against the outgroup.

Who is us, who is them, and why is it okay for us to hurt them.

Everything else is window dressing. This is not merely a feature of the right wing, but of all politics. Often the violence being justified becomes so normalized the debate then centers around the extent of it rather than the enactment of it.

That’s a cynical take...

Not really. It depends on your view of their ideology.

The parties themselves? Absolutely. They spiel such hateful ideology that I wonder if they've confused conservative with supremacist. The common follower? Mostly no. A lot of my family is conservative, and while I often say, "How can you vote for this guy? You don't do agree with anything he says!" they are good people, who mostly just want to protect their way of life.

Both extremes are bias, but it isn't exclusive to the right, the extreme left as well. To say that all moderate conservative parties are hateful is just wrong.

Saying that all conservative parties are hateful is a rather stupid statement. Sure, a lot of far-right, and right-wing parties have members who incite hate speech and are racist in their words and actions. but it is not a problem that plagues this side of the axis alone. Racism and hate-speech are there all across the political spectrum, so it is wrong to promote one side as angels, and other sides as the evil people. Both sides have their flaws, and we should work towards making the political arena a more peaceful and welcoming place.

Kowani wrote:I will do an effortpost on this later, but yes.
Modern conservatism is an ideology of hate moreso then any other unifying force.

I look forward to your comments.

Aureumterra III wrote:

Ostroeuropa wrote:Politics is the designation of in groups and outgroups and the justifications for violence against the outgroup.

Who is us, who is them, and why is it okay for us to hurt them.

Everything else is window dressing. This is not merely a feature of the right wing, but of all politics. Often the violence being justified becomes so normalized the debate then centers around the extent of it rather than the enactment of it.

That’s a cynical take...

Where's the lie, though?

Empirical Switzerland wrote:Both extremes are bias, but it isn't exclusive to the right, the extreme left as well. To say that all moderate conservative parties are hateful is just wrong.

Agree here.

Carrelie wrote:I wouldn't say conservative, but more far-right.
That might just be my silly personal bias, though

Nah, the LDP and the NF are the only far right parties here.
UKIP is just a shitshow, no sane human would vote for those fuckers.

Phaenix wrote:The parties themselves? Absolutely. They spiel such hateful ideology that I wonder if they've confused conservative with supremacist. The common follower? Mostly no. A lot of my family is conservative, and while I often say, "How can you vote for this guy? You don't do agree with anything he says!" they are good people, who mostly just want to protect their way of life.

New Carthagea wrote:Saying that all conservative parties are hateful is a rather stupid statement. Sure, a lot of far-right, and right-wing parties have members who incite hate speech and are racist in their words and actions. but it is not a problem that plagues this side of the axis alone. Racism and hate-speech are there all across the political spectrum, so it is wrong to promote one side as angels, and other sides as the evil people. Both sides have their flaws, and we should work towards making the political arena a more peaceful and welcoming place.

This

This thread is ridiculous in it's own sense, both extremes are hateful, but not moderates. It's like saying all people on the left are communists or all people on the right are monarchists, it's just stereotyping and grouping. This is ridiculous.

Depends on the party. Theres bad eggs on every side of the political spectrum. Some parties or at least certain elements of them are indeed pretty hateful. Not all of them are tho, and theres plenty of hatefull people on there opponents side too. Theres a reason why politics are always so divisive.

Not necessarily, although extremism appears more in ultra-conservationists parties or any party going for political extremes for that matter. I do not see conservatives parties as hateful, but rather some individuals as such (Looking at you Taro Aso). Some degree of conservatism is not necessarily bad, it can actually connect the youth and the old in a country through customs and culture as youth mostly tries to rebel against the elderly just because a lot of customs can be "dusty and boring". I think a healthy amount of conservatism is good for any country, yet there is a more thin line between extremism and healthy in said conservative parties which we should be careful with.

Feklarnia wrote:

Carrelie wrote:Nah, the LDP and the NF are the only far right parties here.

The LDP isn't exactly far right, it's more complicated than that. The LDP is split up in factions of which one is indeed far-right and ultra conservative (which sadly holds the most power right now due to the party voting system and imo, corruption). The other factions are mostly center-right as far as I recall. Japanese politics is extremely fragmented and inherently corrupt which even creates extreme divides within political parties.

It depends, but to say that an entire party is hateful is kinda silly, like there are neo-nazis in the GOP but there are also borderline liberals as well, so.

Kandorith wrote:Not necessarily, although extremism appears more in ultra-conservationists parties or any party going for political extremes for that matter. I do not see conservatives parties as hateful, but rather some individuals as such (Looking at you Taro Aso). Some degree of conservatism is not necessarily bad, it can actually connect the youth and the old in a country through customs and culture as youth mostly tries to rebel against the elderly just because a lot of customs can be "dusty and boring". I think a healthy amount of conservatism is good for any country, yet there is a more thin line between extremism and healthy in said conservative parties which we should be careful with.

Feklarnia wrote:

The LDP isn't exactly far right, it's more complicated than that. The LDP is split up in factions of which one is indeed far-right and ultra conservative (which sadly holds the most power right now due to the party voting system and imo, corruption). The other factions are mostly center-right as far as I recall. Japanese politics is extremely fragmented and inherently corrupt which even creates extreme divides within political parties.

Except the nationalist far-right part of LDP is extremely powerful. Even former PM Abe was a part of it.

Some parties may be hateful, but conservatism as an ideology isn't.

Sanghyeok wrote:
Except the nationalist far-right part of LDP is extremely powerful. Even former PM Abe was a part of it.

I'm sorry, is this a Japanese thing I'm to un-Japanese to understand?
Could you explain, please? I'm not that aware of Japanese politics.

Not inherently. It depends on the party in question, because there are conservative parties worldwide, and then there are far-right parties that hide under a facade of "conservatism." The latter, of course, being inherently hateful in governance.

Hated is an inherent part of the party system, which encourages citizens to engage in conspiracy against their countymen.

Does OP really think that "UKIP" is the most prominent right-wing party in the United Kingdom? Hint: I'm a fully paid-up member of the Conservative Party

I just don't see why there isn't a centrist party that takes values from conservatives and liberals based on the societal wants and needs of the current time that is popular enough to have gained AT LEAST 20 seats in a parliament or senate, and maybe even an executive position.