Are conservative parties hateful?

[Albrenia]

the tories don't like feeding children

checkmate

One could argue that they don't hate the poor children, they just don't care about them. At all.

Then one would have to go take a shower for defending the goddamn Tories.

[Crockerland]

Well there are exceptions xd

I was referring to conservatism

And modern right-wing conservatism is an ideology wanting a return to the past or go back to a simpler time where things made sense.

Like the 1950's with Jim Crow Laws, Segregation,

And which party passed the Jim Crow Laws??

legal spousal abuse, and illegalized LGBT+ sexualities,

The first president to support gay marriage was a Republican Conservative (Gerald Ford).

or the 80's with Reagan introducing Trickle Down Economics or ignoring the AIDS crisis because the main victims of AIDS Crisis were mostly LGBT people until the late 80's when it got to the straight population.

Yeah Reagan was a shit human being but it's not as if Democrats aren't participating in the whitewashing of Reagan too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/24/republicans-must-choose-are-they-party-ronald-reagan-or-donald-trump/

Republicans must choose: Are they the party of Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump?
Reagan’s sunny, inclusive vision and principles are the antithesis of what Trump preaches

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-rnc-abandoned-republican-platform-legacy-ronald-reagan-ncna1238326

Sean O'Keefe Trump and the RNC abandoned the Republican platform and the legacy of Ronald Reagan

The absence of principles is what drove me and dozens of other national security officials who served in Republican administrations to back Joe Biden.

Apparently opposing the Civil Rights Act, opposing the Voting Rights Act, being against fair housing legislation, and fighting like a tiger at every turn against equality for racial and sexual minorities is having "principles" and being "inclusive."

Edit: Oh and I almost forgot, don't forget he called African diplomats "Those monkeys from those African countries."

Seems you're only picking and choosing to criticize Republicans for admiring Reagan while ignoring Democrats who are happy to give a platform to this historical revisionism to own Trump epic style.

[Vashty]

the tories don't like feeding children

checkmate

One could argue that they don't hate the poor children, they just don't care about them. At all.

Then one would have to go take a shower for defending the goddamn Tories.

take an acid bath whilst you're at it feck me

[Carrelie]

the tories don't like feeding children

checkmate

While it's undeniable that what the tories are doing is morally corrupt and evil, at least from my perspective from a moderately conservative, tory-voting lower-middle class background, I'm going to pull the not all [group] card out from my rear and apply it to tories. For example, many people I know voted tory in the 2019 election because of their forerunning policies, particularly the brexit one. I doubt they'll all be on board with this policy.

Yes, I defended the tories. What about it?

[Sanghyeok]

the tories don't like feeding children

checkmate

While it's undeniable that what the tories are doing is morally corrupt and evil, at least from my perspective from a moderately conservative, tory-voting lower-middle class background, I'm going to pull the not all [group] card out from my rear and apply it to tories. For example, many people I know voted tory in the 2019 election because of their forerunning policies, particularly the brexit one. I doubt they'll all be on board with this policy.

Yes, I defended the tories. What about it?

There are moderate Tories, so it's not the worst you can do. At least you're not defending US Republicans or the LDP.

[Vashty]

the tories don't like feeding children

checkmate

While it's undeniable that what the tories are doing is morally corrupt and evil, at least from my perspective from a moderately conservative, tory-voting lower-middle class background, I'm going to pull the not all [group] card out from my rear and apply it to tories. For example, many people I know voted tory in the 2019 election because of their forerunning policies, particularly the brexit one. I doubt they'll all be on board with this policy.

Yes, I defended the tories. What about it?

Do you think as a lower-middle class tory voter you might not really appreciate how the poorest in society struggle to feed their kids?

This isn't about brexit, this is about the economy and the economy in principle. British society is slowly beginning to become more economically polarised, which is evident in how perplexed I am at your willingness to defend such actions. You can't even say recently they've behaved badly.

That's where we're at. Nothing matters but brexit, god I loved it when 10 years ago it wasn't even an issue (I'm not a remainer so don't bother).

[Aureumterra III]

the tories don't like feeding children

checkmate

While it's undeniable that what the tories are doing is morally corrupt and evil, at least from my perspective from a moderately conservative, tory-voting lower-middle class background, I'm going to pull the not all [group] card out from my rear and apply it to tories. For example, many people I know voted tory in the 2019 election because of their forerunning policies, particularly the brexit one. I doubt they'll all be on board with this policy.

Yes, I defended the tories. What about it?

This isn’t Twitter, you’re not going be called a racist white supremacist xenophobe for going against the hivemind

[Vashty]

While it's undeniable that what the tories are doing is morally corrupt and evil, at least from my perspective from a moderately conservative, tory-voting lower-middle class background, I'm going to pull the not all [group] card out from my rear and apply it to tories. For example, many people I know voted tory in the 2019 election because of their forerunning policies, particularly the brexit one. I doubt they'll all be on board with this policy.

Yes, I defended the tories. What about it?

There are moderate Tories, so it's not the worst you can do. At least you're not defending US Republicans or the LDP.

I think they were the ones who voted in favour of the latest free school meals bill or told Boris to get lost. Regardless of Tory voter bases, the people who are elected by them are right of one-nationism. We no longer have centrists in government.

[Sanghyeok]

or the 80's with Reagan introducing Trickle Down Economics or ignoring the AIDS crisis because the main victims of AIDS Crisis were mostly LGBT people until the late 80's when it got to the straight population.

Yeah Reagan was a shit human being but it's not as if Democrats aren't participating in the whitewashing of Reagan too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/24/republicans-must-choose-are-they-party-ronald-reagan-or-donald-trump/

Republicans must choose: Are they the party of Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump?
Reagan’s sunny, inclusive vision and principles are the antithesis of what Trump preaches

This point I will give you, liberals seem willing to forget Reagan's atrocities and hatred now that Trump has arrived. Trump isn't much worse, just louder.

[Sanghyeok]

There are moderate Tories, so it's not the worst you can do. At least you're not defending US Republicans or the LDP.

I think they were the ones who voted in favour of the latest free school meals bill or told Boris to get lost. Regardless of Tory voter bases, the people who are elected by them are right of one-nationism. We no longer have centrists in government.

I don't like Tories at all, but compared with some other conservative parties? They're tame (at least on the outside).

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

While it's undeniable that what the tories are doing is morally corrupt and evil, at least from my perspective from a moderately conservative, tory-voting lower-middle class background, I'm going to pull the not all [group] card out from my rear and apply it to tories. For example, many people I know voted tory in the 2019 election because of their forerunning policies, particularly the brexit one. I doubt they'll all be on board with this policy.

Yes, I defended the tories. What about it?

There are moderate Tories, so it's not the worst you can do. At least you're not defending US Republicans or the LDP.

The US Republicans are a big tent party. The don’t have a complete encompassing ideology, there are different types of Republicans

[Albrenia]

I think they were the ones who voted in favour of the latest free school meals bill or told Boris to get lost. Regardless of Tory voter bases, the people who are elected by them are right of one-nationism. We no longer have centrists in government.

I don't like Tories at all, but compared with some other conservative parties? They're tame (at least on the outside).

Only by American standards. They're quite nasty by Australian standards.

[Sanghyeok]

There are moderate Tories, so it's not the worst you can do. At least you're not defending US Republicans or the LDP.

The US Republicans are a big tent party. The don’t have a complete encompassing ideology, there are different types of Republicans

The moderates have all fled (not that they're very good people either).

[Sanghyeok]

I don't like Tories at all, but compared with some other conservative parties? They're tame (at least on the outside).

Only by American standards. They're quite nasty by Australian standards.

You must remember, I'm used to the LDP and US Republicans. Anything not denying sex slavery or hating immigrants loudly is an improvement.

[Aureumterra III]

There are moderate Tories, so it's not the worst you can do. At least you're not defending US Republicans or the LDP.

The US Republicans are a big tent party. The don’t have a complete encompassing ideology, there are different types of Republicans

Tbf they’re all broadly right wing

[Muralos]

Well, I guess if we're going with that definition I'd have to change my answer to yes. Conservatism is hateful, just like all politics since we all disagree on something.

Unironically, how do you separate "political disagreement" from "hate"?

Question of the day (and perhaps... the century so far)

[New haven america]

And modern right-wing conservatism is an ideology wanting a return to the past or go back to a simpler time where things made sense.

Like the 1950's with Jim Crow Laws, Segregation,

1. And which party passed the Jim Crow Laws??

legal spousal abuse, and illegalized LGBT+ sexualities,

2. The first president to support gay marriage was a Republican Conservative (Gerald Ford).

or the 80's with Reagan introducing Trickle Down Economics or ignoring the AIDS crisis because the main victims of AIDS Crisis were mostly LGBT people until the late 80's when it got to the straight population.

3. Yeah Reagan was a shit human being but it's not as if Democrats aren't participating in the whitewashing of Reagan too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/24/republicans-must-choose-are-they-party-ronald-reagan-or-donald-trump/

Republicans must choose: Are they the party of Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump?
Reagan’s sunny, inclusive vision and principles are the antithesis of what Trump preaches

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-rnc-abandoned-republican-platform-legacy-ronald-reagan-ncna1238326

Sean O'Keefe Trump and the RNC abandoned the Republican platform and the legacy of Ronald Reagan

The absence of principles is what drove me and dozens of other national security officials who served in Republican administrations to back Joe Biden.

4. Apparently opposing the Civil Rights Act, opposing the Voting Rights Act, being against fair housing legislation, and fighting like a tiger at every turn against equality for racial and sexual minorities is having "principles" and being "inclusive."

Edit: Oh and I almost forgot, don't forget he called African diplomats "Those monkeys from those African countries."

Seems you're only picking and choosing to criticize Republicans for admiring Reagan while ignoring Democrats who are happy to give a platform to this historical revisionism to own Trump epic style.

1. American Conservatives, which at the time of the law passing was the Dems, but then that position shifted to the Reps when Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt got the presidency. There's this super interesting thing called The Paradigm Shift where the American parties flipped their belief systems almost 180.
2. Not in any official or really public capacity, no. The first person to ever do that in the US government was Ol' Joe Biden who almost singlehandedly made the Dems support LGBT rights.
3. Reagan literally killed the middle class and let a plague fester for 10 years leading it to become a worldwide pandemic because he thought it was God's just and righteous punishment for allowing the gays to exist.
4. lol. Biden admitted what he did in the past was wrong and has become one of the most progressive Dems over the past 20 years. Or did you miss the fact that he was the first US politician in history to open and officially support LGBT rights and freedoms?

[Albrenia]

Well, I guess if we're going with that definition I'd have to change my answer to yes. Conservatism is hateful, just like all politics since we all disagree on something.

Unironically, how do you separate "political disagreement" from "hate"?

Well one involves actively disliking and probably wishing harm upon the other, while mere disagreement can be entirely different.

I don't hate Conservatives, and I think most of them actively desire to build a better world and honestly believe their path forward is the best way to go. I disagree on said path, and some of the destination, but I don't think they're bad people for their opinions, nor bad intentioned.

Some ideologies are evil, though, and I do more than just disagree with those. Those I -do- hate.

[Honeydewistania]

Of course. Conservative parties push an outdated horrific ideology and only care about lining their pockets or pushing their ‘morals’.

[Aureumterra III]

Of course. Conservative parties push an outdated horrific ideology and only care about lining their pockets or pushing their ‘morals’.

Nice strawman

[Telconi]

Unironically, how do you separate "political disagreement" from "hate"?

Well one involves actively disliking and probably wishing harm upon the other, while mere disagreement can be entirely different.

I don't hate Conservatives, and I think most of them actively desire to build a better world and honestly believe their path forward is the best way to go. I disagree on said path, and some of the destination, but I don't think they're bad people for their opinions, nor bad intentioned.

Some ideologies are evil, though, and I do more than just disagree with those. Those I -do- hate.

So basically it boils down to intentions? Which really makes it rough, some quite objectionable people have had allegedly benevolent intentions.

[The Emerald Legion]

Of course. Conservative parties push an outdated horrific ideology and only care about lining their pockets or pushing their ‘morals’.

Nice strawman

It's more of a projection then it is a strawman.

[Muralos]

Of course. Conservative parties push an outdated horrific ideology and only care about lining their pockets or pushing their ‘morals’.

Nice strawman

Ouchh. But this is really what people’s knee-jerk reactions are when they hear about certain political parties for the first time lol. It’s not always fair though and people should have more tempered stances (or carefully substantiated ones) than that

[Crockerland]

1. And which party passed the Jim Crow Laws??


2. The first president to support gay marriage was a Republican Conservative (Gerald Ford).


3. Yeah Reagan was a shit human being but it's not as if Democrats aren't participating in the whitewashing of Reagan too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/08/24/republicans-must-choose-are-they-party-ronald-reagan-or-donald-trump/

Republicans must choose: Are they the party of Ronald Reagan or Donald Trump?
Reagan’s sunny, inclusive vision and principles are the antithesis of what Trump preaches

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trump-rnc-abandoned-republican-platform-legacy-ronald-reagan-ncna1238326

Sean O'Keefe Trump and the RNC abandoned the Republican platform and the legacy of Ronald Reagan

The absence of principles is what drove me and dozens of other national security officials who served in Republican administrations to back Joe Biden.

4. Apparently opposing the Civil Rights Act, opposing the Voting Rights Act, being against fair housing legislation, and fighting like a tiger at every turn against equality for racial and sexual minorities is having "principles" and being "inclusive."

Edit: Oh and I almost forgot, don't forget he called African diplomats "Those monkeys from those African countries."

Seems you're only picking and choosing to criticize Republicans for admiring Reagan while ignoring Democrats who are happy to give a platform to this historical revisionism to own Trump epic style.

1. American Conservatives, which at the time of the law passing was the Dems, but then that position shifted to the Reps when Teddy and Franklin Roosevelt. There's this super interesting thing called The Paradigm Shift where the American parties flipped their belief systems almost 180.

This is a myth.

If the parties switched, why did the Democrats nominate a socialist (Horace Greeley) in the 1872 election? I guess Republicans must be socialists now, since the parties switched, according to your claims. Yet this doesn't seem congruent with reality.

2. Not in any official or really public capacity, no. The first person to ever do that in the US government was Ol' Joe Biden who almost singlehandedly made the Dems support LGBT rights.

Acting President Dick Cheney supported gay marriage while Joe Biden was still against it. So no.

3. Reagan literally killed the middle class nd let a plague fester for 10 years leading it to become a worldwide pandemic because he thought it was God's just and righteous punishment for allowing the gays to exist.
4. lol. Biden admitted what he did in the past was wrong and has become one of the most progressive Dems over the past 20 years.

Okay? And what does this have to do with Democrats idolizing Ronald Reagan to own Trump?

Or did you miss the fact that he was the first US politician in history to open and officially support LGBT rights and freedoms?

Well usually facts are true, what you've said might be more accurately characterized as a "lie," "historical revisionism," or "bullshit" than as a fact, due to it not actually being true.

Biden only supported marriage equality in 2012, and he voted for the so-called "Defense of Marriage Act."
John Kerry (the 2004 nominee) supported equality a year earlier, Senator Russ Feingold supported marriage equality in 2006, Senator Barbara Boxer in 2010, and Senator Chuck Robb in 2000, and all four of them voted against DoMA.

It takes an incredible level of historical revisionist nonsense to look at this and come to the conclusion that Biden "was the first US politician in history to open and officially support LGBT rights and freedoms."

[Honeydewistania]

Of course. Conservative parties push an outdated horrific ideology and only care about lining their pockets or pushing their ‘morals’.

Nice strawman

What part of that was a strawman?