Are conservative parties hateful?

[Albrenia]

Leftists don't want to strip LGBT people of their rights, or sterilise refugees.

Not those specific groups no. Instead the left wants to kick people with religious beliefs out of society and push Eugenics programs onto the poor and minorities.

Because exterminating those who routinely vote for you and offending the majority of the population is totally their goal.

Unless we're not talking about authoritarian communism, in which case yeah, fuck them.

[Telconi]

Did people really imply or say things like that at the DNC?

Telconi for a fellow libleft, you are really throwing me off here LOL (unless I read your sig wrong)

I don't think they're libleft, given "pro-life" and "anti-SJW".

And you're not really a leftist given your stance on gun control.

[Crockerland]

And once doctors can detect the genetic precursors of homosexuality in the womb, I think we both know which side of the political aisle will be fighting for a mother's "right" to execute her unborn child for being gay.

The pro-choice position is simply that a person who wants to terminate a pregnancy should be able to. Some people do it for shitty reasons but they shouldn't be asked why they're terminating in the first place.

What do you want, that people are interrogated over their desire to terminate? That would cause severe distress to people in one of the most difficult ordeals of their lives. And do you think that many people who do want to abort for shitty reasons would tell the truth anyway? What do we do about that, launch investigations while the fetus continues to develop?

A fetus is a fetus and an abortion is an abortion regardless of why someone wants one. I'm sure there are plenty of assholes who want to terminate for bigoted reasons but it makes no sense to deny them the right to do it when you wouldn't if they would simply say "I don't want to have a kid." Don't ask in the first place, that's the only reasonable way to do it.

I would still deny them their """"right"""" to kill a child even if their stated reason was "I don't want to have a kid."

[Sanghyeok]

Ayo that's not a thing, or you're conflating the remarks of certain people with an entire political coalition that would not sanction this.

I feel sorry that your view of "The Left" and of humanity in general is so INCREDIBLY skewed. Yes, there are ridiculous people out there but there are also plenty of reasonable people.

Okay, name a major Left-wing politician in the US who opposes state violence against bump stock and gun owners. And of course I'm sure some of those reasonable people oppose the sale and manufacture of bump stocks, which as long as they don't support physical violence and state terror against people who own a bump stock is a totally reasonable and decent position. I'm sure you'll have no trouble naming these politicians.

None, because there are no left-wing politicians in the US.
On a more serious level though, I don't think any US Democrat politician is in favour of hurting people with guns.

[Muralos]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Ah the classic referring to the left as a single person. I am now the CEO of The Left TM and I want to ruin everything because (((cultural Marxism))) yada yada yada.

Also, in what world are leftists against gun rights. If you even read a single page of Marx, you would know he was more pro-gun than most republicans or even libertarians. The democrats are somewhat-progressive capitalists and fall under the category of neoliberalism, which is on the economic right.

boy is this thread chaotic but in practice, if you're from the US, the Democrats are about as left as (edit:) current, mainstream politics gets... so that's what Crockerland means by "the Left," I'm guessing (and I myself do that as well, it's just a much more mainstream definition here.)

[Fahran]

Hello, InfoWars? I've got a new guest speaker on the line.

Left-wing media outlets have doxxed gun owners in the past. I wouldn't interpret that as innocent. And some people have expressed some frankly worrisome fantasies about how the police would respond to gun owners refusing to give up their firearms. Mind you, I don't think the motivation behind gun confiscations or regulations are rooted in hatred but hatred and nastiness often creep into the rhetoric, strategies, and visceral reactions of people who support such policies in much the same way as they do on other issues.

[Major-Tom]

Leftists don't want to strip LGBT people of their rights, or sterilise refugees.

Those are more radical parties.

And I was referring to the part where you said they say how much they hate the oppsing party's leaders.

Like the GOP?

[Page]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

You currently live in a society where cops could break down your door and traumatize your family and put them in a cage for having a plant that the state doesn't like in your house but you are only horrified when the same thing happens over a bump stock?

Also, I think you could use a refresher course in the difference between liberals and leftists. Leftists are all for the people being armed.

[Telconi]

Okay, name a major Left-wing politician in the US who opposes state violence against bump stock and gun owners. And of course I'm sure some of those reasonable people oppose the sale and manufacture of bump stocks, which as long as they don't support physical violence and state terror against people who own a bump stock is a totally reasonable and decent position. I'm sure you'll have no trouble naming these politicians.

None, because there are no left-wing politicians in the US.
On a more serious level though, I don't think any US Democrat politician is in favour of hurting people with guns.

Then why do they pass laws to that effect?

[Major-Tom]

Leftists don't want to strip LGBT people of their rights, or sterilise refugees.

Not those specific groups no. Instead the left wants to kick people with religious beliefs out of society and push Eugenics programs onto the poor and minorities.

You are a caricature of a caricature.

[Broader Confederate States]

Did people really imply or say things like that at the DNC?

Telconi for a fellow libleft, you are really throwing me off here LOL (unless I read your sig wrong)

Gun bans are literally published in their platform.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ unless the russians hacked biden his own website should be a good example.

[Telconi]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

You currently live in a society where cops could break down your door and traumatize your family and put them in a cage for having a plant that the state doesn't like in your house but you are only horrified when the same thing happens over a bump stock?

Also, I think you could use a refresher course in the difference between liberals and leftists. Leftists are all for the people being armed.

Shitty policy is not unique to one issue at a time. I think it's awful for the state to drag people off for having the wrong plant, and the wrong rifle.

[Albrenia]

None, because there are no left-wing politicians in the US.
On a more serious level though, I don't think any US Democrat politician is in favour of hurting people with guns.

Then why do they pass laws to that effect?

By that logic people who favour speed limits favour people who speed being hurt.

[VlaRiSsiA]

Leftists don't want to strip LGBT people of their rights, or sterilise refugees.

Not those specific groups no. Instead the left wants to kick people with religious beliefs out of society and push Eugenics programs onto the poor and minorities.

Is this post satire? I can’t stop laughing at how ridiculous this piece of art, which was probably copied and pasted from Conservapedia, is

[VlaRiSsiA]

Gun bans are literally published in their platform.

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ unless the russians hacked biden his own website should be a good example.

Hate to break it to you, but, neolibs aren’t leftist

[Muralos]

Did people really imply or say things like that at the DNC?

Telconi for a fellow libleft, you are really throwing me off here LOL (unless I read your sig wrong)

Gun bans are literally published in their platform.

Ok I'll take a look. You do raise a valid concern about how a gun ban (in practice, a ban on a subset of guns) would be enforced. What would be the punishment for noncompliance? If we don't pursue that policy, what do we pursue instead?

Some questions worth answering IMO.

[Telconi]

Then why do they pass laws to that effect?

By that logic people who favour speed limits favour people who speed being hurt.

Uh, yes, they do. That's how laws work.

[Empirical Switzerland]

Not those specific groups no. Instead the left wants to kick people with religious beliefs out of society and push Eugenics programs onto the poor and minorities.

Is this post satire? I can’t stop laughing at how ridiculous this piece of art, which was probably copied and pasted from Conservapedia, is

Are you just trying to say you oppose what he said with no reasoning? What he said is mainly true, and you aren't using anything to oppose it. You are just resorting to making fun of his reasoning, and that's not just wrong, but also not supporting your point.

[Velosia]

Personally, speaking specifically about the UK, I think every party has its fair share of hateful elements. Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party being a perfect example of left-wing hate. It's just that the media, in my opinion, tends to focus more on the hateful elements of right-wing politics. Also, as the Conservative (and Unionist) Party is currently in government, it makes sense that the media would focus more on their hateful elements than those of opposition parties.

[Broader Confederate States]

https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ unless the russians hacked biden his own website should be a good example.

Hate to break it to you, but, neolibs aren’t leftist

hate to break it to you, the subtopic i was replying to was about the dnc, not necessarily leftists

[Major-Tom]

Is this post satire? I can’t stop laughing at how ridiculous this piece of art, which was probably copied and pasted from Conservapedia, is

Are you just trying to say you oppose what he said with no reasoning? What he said is mainly true, and you aren't doing anything to oppose it.

If you genuinely believe that the left wants to kick out religious people and push literal eugenics on people, then I don't know how and where you got radicalized, but I hope you find a way out.

[Wizlandia]

didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

Yeah but thanks to a comprehensive education system and leadership that actually knows what they're doing, New Zealanders were willing to give up this freedom temporarily to prevent the spread of COVID-19 rather than not wearing masks as a political statement and threatening to kidnap politicians. Now New Zealand has no cases and can open back up while the U.S. is going through a third spike in cases and may need yet another shutdown.

iirc Ardern was immigration restrictionist even before the pandemic.

[Albrenia]

Is this post satire? I can’t stop laughing at how ridiculous this piece of art, which was probably copied and pasted from Conservapedia, is

Are you just trying to say you oppose what he said with no reasoning? What he said is mainly true, and you aren't doing anything to oppose it.

Unless you're talking Stalinists or Nazis or something, nobody wants to deport or remove religious people, and nobody wants to exterminate minorities. For Democrats to supposedly want to do it is extra stupid since they get a lot of votes from those areas.

[Major-Tom]

Personally, speaking specifically about the UK, I think every party has its fair share of hateful elements. Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party being a perfect example of left-wing hate. It's just that the media, in my opinion, tends to focus more on the hateful elements of right-wing politics. Also, as the Conservative (and Unionist) Party is currently in government, it makes sense that the media would focus more on their hateful elements than those of opposition parties.

Hopefully, Starmer can keep purging the anti-semites out of that party.

[VlaRiSsiA]

Hello, InfoWars? I've got a new guest speaker on the line.

Left-wing media outlets have doxxed gun owners in the past. I wouldn't interpret that as innocent. And some people have expressed some frankly worrisome fantasies about how the police would respond to gun owners refusing to give up their firearms. Mind you, I don't think the motivation behind gun confiscations or regulations are rooted in hatred but hatred and nastiness often creep into the rhetoric, strategies, and visceral reactions of people who support such policies in much the same way as they do on other issues.

CNN is a bunch of corporate neolib hacks who are as left wing as apples are oranges