Are conservative parties hateful?

[Sanghyeok]

I see Merkel more as centrist though.

Yes, but her party is centre-right, and your question is asking about parties. I’m just trying to prove my point that a) not all (but still some) right-wing parties are hateful, and b) not all right-wing party-people are hateful

A fair argument.

[Empirical Switzerland]

I see Merkel more as centrist though.

Yes, but her party is centre-right, and your question is asking about parties. I’m just trying to prove my point that a) not all (but still some) right-wing parties are hateful, and b) not all right-wing party-people are hateful

Exactly. I'm not straight and I'm right wing.

[Sanghyeok]

That's.....certainly some twisted logic you've made. There is real world evidence for gun violence, and no significant record of trans people sexually assaulting people.

Transgender individuals have sexually assaulted. Rather such evidence is "significant" is a matter of opinion.

The point is that people are perfectly willing to truncate the rights of the general public driven by an irrational fear. If we refer to such a tendency as hatred, it's only fair we equally apply the label.

I use "significant" in terms of difference between trans people and cis people. There is no significant difference, therefore those fears of trans people are not well founded.

[Kiu Ghesik]

Yes, but her party is centre-right, and your question is asking about parties. I’m just trying to prove my point that a) not all (but still some) right-wing parties are hateful, and b) not all right-wing party-people are hateful

Exactly. I'm not straight and I'm right wing.

That's more cuz you're a Florida man than anything, though. Your state defies all norms of conventional politics, physics, and good taste.

[Auze]

I'm fairly certain Trump Republicans & UKIP are Right-wing Populist, not Conservative.

I would agree, but UKIP has not been a thing since roughly 2017.

I put UKIP because that's listed as an example of a hateful U.K. conservative party in the OP.

[Crockerland]

The United Kingdom's UKIP, Japan's LDP, the US Republican Party, France's National Front, and many other conservative, right-wing parties may have some differences, but it seems they are all united in requiring an enemy or group to hate. UKIP bashes immigrants and warns of refugees, as does France's National Front. Both of those parties are also heavily against what those who bring values "incompatible" with their traditional culture. The LDP, meanwhile, is fearmongering against Koreans and Chinese, while enforcing a patriarchal society. Similarly, the US Republican Party has been more than happy to embrace a platform that designates everyone not as far right as them as a threat to the country

The Left:
-Indoctrinates children in public school with lessons comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler
-Publishes media articles saying it's not wrong to compare Trump's America to the Holocaust
-Says Trump supporters are the same as Nazis
-Falsely accuse a man of being a pack rapist in front of his family without evidence, to stall his confirmation to a political post, because Trump nominated him
-Sends bomb threats to teenagers for being pro-life

NSG:
"Why are right-wingers so full of hate??"

They are also responsible for spreading rumours of an upcoming "culture war" with those that "attack their values", which may consist of LGBT, ethnic minorities, or "the radical left" on any given day.

Yeah I've seen how much the left loves LGBT people.

If you're so concerned with LGBT rights, maybe you should be more worried about the tens of thousands of intersex babies being killed for their failure to conform to traditional gender expectations due to Leftist abortion policies, or the mass-importation of people who hate LGBT people from the middle-east thanks to Globalist immigration policies.

And once doctors can detect the genetic precursors of homosexuality in the womb, I think we both know which side of the political aisle will be fighting for a mother's "right" to execute her unborn child for being gay.

[Sanghyeok]

I would agree, but UKIP has not been a thing since roughly 2017.

I put UKIP because that's listed as an example of a hateful U.K. conservative party in the OP.

It was my fault for placing UKIP, it's simply because I know the most about them and I wasn't sure if I wanted to place the Tories as a example of "hateful", even if their actions should be condemned.

[Broader Confederate States]

consider this: there isn't a very large pool of socialist countries to draw from. how many are still around and didn't fail in the '70s, like five, discounting the ones that people dismiss as not really examples of left wing economics? of course there's going to be more homo/transphobia in capitalist countries, there's hundreds more capitalist countries all across the social spectrum.

I was refering to right wing countries, not capitalist countries, since the 2 are not always the same.

And there are possible only 2 functioning socialist states, Cuba, and Vietnam.
The rest are in name only.

vietnam? the one with the mixed market economy with private business that's been that way since the eighties? you sure you want to use that as an example? from what i understand of their economc policy, it's basically just china lite.

[Celritannia]

I put UKIP because that's listed as an example of a hateful U.K. conservative party in the OP.

It was my fault for placing UKIP, it's simply because I know the most about them and I wasn't sure if I wanted to place the Tories as a example of "hateful", even if their actions should be condemned.

The Brexit Party is a better example, since one of its members, Ann Widecombe, supports LGBTQ+ conversion therapy.

[The Grand Golden State]

Maybe but there's still no reasonable comparison to be made between gun control policies supported by liberals vs the amount of hatred many conservatives have for religious, racial, and sexual orientation differences

Why not?

Neither act is harmful, and they're simply attacked on the basis that the possibility of harm exists.

Liberal gun control is just the whole transgender bathroom thing in reverse. Banning scary guns because gun owners potentially could kill someone is just as hysterical as the people crying about panning trans folks from the bathroom matching their gender because they theoretically could sexually assault someone.

Except its not theoretical considering how many firearm related homicides and suicides are there in the U.S. There's no reasonable argument to justify someone needing military-grade automatic rifles or bump stock other than an intent to kill people. Not to mention, your same argument can be used against an argument for gun ownership- the notion that you need guns to revolt against some tyrannical government gaining a power is entirely theoretical, and frankly unlikely considering other developed Western nations which have much stricter gun laws do not have governments that are more authoritarian than the U.S. is.

[Celritannia]

I was refering to right wing countries, not capitalist countries, since the 2 are not always the same.

And there are possible only 2 functioning socialist states, Cuba, and Vietnam.
The rest are in name only.

vietnam? the one with the mixed market economy with private business that's been that way since the eighties? you sure you want to use that as an example? from what i understand of their economc policy, it's basically just china lite.

I said possible, I did not say definite, because there are no real socialist states in the world.

[Muralos]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penis

Well now that's just sexist.

I thought it was good banter... this could probably launch a conversation about "if you made a joke about vaginas though..." which is a lot to unpack but would be an interesting convo?

[Muralos]

(snip)

Ooh we have an American conservative!! Welcome to the party... but wow there's a lot to unpack here D:

[Broader Confederate States]

Why not?

Neither act is harmful, and they're simply attacked on the basis that the possibility of harm exists.

Liberal gun control is just the whole transgender bathroom thing in reverse. Banning scary guns because gun owners potentially could kill someone is just as hysterical as the people crying about panning trans folks from the bathroom matching their gender because they theoretically could sexually assault someone.

Except its not theoretical considering how many firearm related homicides and suicides are there in the U.S. There's no reasonable argument to justify someone needing military-grade automatic rifles or bump stock other than an intent to kill people. Not to mention, your same argument can be used against an argument for gun ownership- the notion that you need guns to revolt against some tyrannical government gaining a power is entirely theoretical, and frankly unlikely considering other developed Western nations which have much stricter gun laws do not have governments that are more authoritarian than the U.S. is.

didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

[Albrenia]

It is kind of hard to go crazy and kill dozens of people with a transgender bathroom though.

Ah yes, your fear is extra double justified to the max! And therefore your hatred is too.

No, but proper regulation of something which can be mishandled or misused and kill people (a vehicle, gun or explosive, for example) is not hateful, just practical.

[Sanghyeok]

Except its not theoretical considering how many firearm related homicides and suicides are there in the U.S. There's no reasonable argument to justify someone needing military-grade automatic rifles or bump stock other than an intent to kill people. Not to mention, your same argument can be used against an argument for gun ownership- the notion that you need guns to revolt against some tyrannical government gaining a power is entirely theoretical, and frankly unlikely considering other developed Western nations which have much stricter gun laws do not have governments that are more authoritarian than the U.S. is.

didn't new zealand like prevent people's mobility or something?

For the purpose of Covid, yes.

[Kiu Ghesik]

The United Kingdom's UKIP, Japan's LDP, the US Republican Party, France's National Front, and many other conservative, right-wing parties may have some differences, but it seems they are all united in requiring an enemy or group to hate. UKIP bashes immigrants and warns of refugees, as does France's National Front. Both of those parties are also heavily against what those who bring values "incompatible" with their traditional culture. The LDP, meanwhile, is fearmongering against Koreans and Chinese, while enforcing a patriarchal society. Similarly, the US Republican Party has been more than happy to embrace a platform that designates everyone not as far right as them as a threat to the country

The Left:
-Indoctrinates children in public school with lessons comparing Donald Trump to Adolf Hitler
-Publishes media articles saying it's not wrong to compare Trump's America to the Holocaust
-Says Trump supporters are the same as Nazis
-Falsely accuse a man of being a pack rapist in front of his family without evidence, to stall his confirmation to a political post, because Trump nominated him
-Sends bomb threats to teenagers for being pro-life

NSG:
"Why are right-wingers so full of hate??"

Your sources are an opinion piece from the Washington Post and reporting by Fox and the Guardian. Think for a moment about whether or not those sources can be considered legitimate evidence of the majority of the left.
And that's not to mention referring to the Left like it's some big, scary, ideological boogeyman coming to get you.

If you want people to listen to you, make credible arguments that don't rely on cherry-picked sources gathered from the extremes of reporting across four years' time.

They are also responsible for spreading rumours of an upcoming "culture war" with those that "attack their values", which may consist of LGBT, ethnic minorities, or "the radical left" on any given day.

Yeah I've seen how much the left loves LGBT people.

If you're so concerned with LGBT rights, maybe you should be more worried about the tens of thousands of intersex babies being killed for their failure to conform to traditional gender expectations due to Leftist abortion policies, or the mass-importation of people who hate LGBT people from the middle-east thanks to Globalist immigration policies.

And once doctors can detect the genetic precursors of homosexuality in the womb, I think we both know which side of the political aisle will be fighting for a mother's "right" to execute her unborn child for being gay.

THE GENETIC PRECURSORS OF HOMOSEXUALITY IN THE WOMB.

It's fucking Conspiracy Theory Bingo up in here. IIRC, scientific studies have repeatedly shown that no such thing exists. And what the hell was that first point, anyways? Got a source for that?

[Crockerland]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

[Celritannia]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

Which there is no real evidence for.

[Albrenia]

I'm highly doubtful there's such a thing as a 'gay gene'. It seems more like something which occurs naturally within one's brain during early (but post birth) life, in a process we do not yet fully understand.

[Sanghyeok]

Similar thing for gun owners, liberals don't hate them, in fact there's a lot of liberals who own guns themselves, its just that many liberals don't believe things like bump stock or being able to pull up to a gun show and buy a gun without any background checks aren't really necessary, and the NRA & conservative propaganda machine painted these beliefs as "Liberals wanna take away all ur guns!" when in reality most liberals are in favor of the 2nd amendment, they just want some (understandable) limitations on guns.

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

First, the left (here I refer to the actual left minus myself) loves guns, perhaps as much as you do.
Secondly, if you want to talk about liberals, they want to restrict some ownership, but they aren't calling for violence against gun owners.

[Celritannia]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

First, the left (here I refer to the actual left minus myself) loves guns, perhaps as much as you do.
Secondly, if you want to talk about liberals, they want to restrict some ownership, but they aren't calling for violence against gun owners.

Cue "but the democrats are the left"

[Broader Confederate States]

Wanting innocent people and their families to face physical violence from the state for owning a bump stock is not understandable by any stretch of the definition. The Left's normalization of violence against gun owners is repulsive.

First, the left (here I refer to the actual left minus myself) loves guns, perhaps as much as you do.
Secondly, if you want to talk about liberals, they want to restrict some ownership, but they aren't calling for violence against gun owners.

"some," which is why people herald australia as a paragon of progress in that regard

[Muralos]

It is kind of hard to go crazy and kill dozens of people with a transgender bathroom though.

Ah yes, your fear is extra double justified to the max! And therefore your hatred is too.

Oof. Maybe they didn't convey the fear very well. But there is a justifiable fear as, in the past few years in the US, there had been reports of shootings almost daily. Maybe the chance of becoming a victim yourself was rare, but it was a risk that people wanted to at least try to mitigate. It seems possible too.

[Odreria]

I was refering to right wing countries, not capitalist countries, since the 2 are not always the same.

And there are possible only 2 functioning socialist states, Cuba, and Vietnam.
The rest are in name only.

vietnam? the one with the mixed market economy with private business that's been that way since the eighties? you sure you want to use that as an example? from what i understand of their economc policy, it's basically just china lite.

It's a lot more complicated than that. This video explains why, from the perspective of someone that is Vietnamese and lives in Vietnam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMubOw5H-yo&vl=en-US